Warhippy Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Shayne Gostisbehere Connor McDavid Artemi Panarin Honestly who deserves it the most and why? I'm torn between Ghost and Panarin but leaning towards Ghost due to his clutch play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Doesn't cap-mayhem kick in for them dirty Hawks, if Panarin wins? Read somewhere of an expensive bonus being applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Sparkle Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 panarin has a stacked hawks team around him but ghost really gave an inconsistent flyers team a chance at the playoffs, who were doomed to be out of it in like december Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neko Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Gosti, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Easily Panarin. Not even an debate. Aside from being the first rookie to crack 72 points in a season since Patrick Kane in 2007-2008, what gets lost on people is that Patrick Kane is having his best career to date. While some people say that Kane is making Panarin look better, isn't it convenient that Kane is having his best season ever, and he's playing WITH Panarin. Kane is terrific, but there is certainly an argument that perhaps he wouldn't have the season he's having if Panarin wasn't there as well. Again, he has 74 points in 78 games. No rookie has done that since 07/08. He currently has 11 points in 3 games. That's more than just "playing on a stacked Hawks team". That's more "The Hawks managed to sign an elite player that cost them nothin but a bit of salary." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 I'd give it to Panarin, but the truth is that all three deserve real consideration. One of the closest races for the Calder I can recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Gostisbehere all the way for me. He only had a dozen Pro games coming into this season and has excelled at the hardest position for a rookie to do well in. Panarin played Pro for six seasons and is on a stacked Hawks team. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, but I don't consider him a real rookie even if the rules define him as such. He wouldn't even get a vote from me. I'd give the 3rd one to Eichel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 10 minutes ago, Monty said: Easily Panarin. Not even an debate. Aside from being the first rookie to crack 72 points in a season since Patrick Kane in 2007-2008, what gets lost on people is that Patrick Kane is having his best career to date. While some people say that Kane is making Panarin look better, isn't it convenient that Kane is having his best season ever, and he's playing WITH Panarin. Kane is terrific, but there is certainly an argument that perhaps he wouldn't have the season he's having if Panarin wasn't there as well. Again, he has 74 points in 78 games. No rookie has done that since 07/08. He currently has 11 points in 3 games. That's more than just "playing on a stacked Hawks team". That's more "The Hawks managed to sign an elite player that cost them nothin but a bit of salary." No doubt. Great for a first year NHLer. I still don't consider him a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 10 minutes ago, theminister said: No doubt. Great for a first year NHLer. I still don't consider him a rookie. Yeah, it's a tough one. On one hand, there is certainly his age that people have an issue with. However, he's been able to transition from KHL game and ice surface with absolutely no problems. At the end of the day, I still like the age limit that's in place. Goaltenders and defenseman take longer to just make the NHL, so the age limit in place makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Panarin. As good and valuable as Ghost has been to his team, Panarin still holds a pretty significant lead over him, imho. I get why people don't consider him a rookie or think he should be considered, but he does meet the requirements to qualify. That shouldn't punish him for the NHL's lenient rules towards qualifying, so he get's my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 6, 2016 Author Share Posted April 6, 2016 To be completely honest, I don't even really consider Connor in the conversation. His season; injury aside, has been more media hype than it has been on ice success. He's amazing, he's a talent no question. but he is a guy who didn't wow game in game out the same way Crosby, Kane and Ovechkin did when they were rookies. He'll be a future all star year in and out there's no question. But Panarin and Ghost are the two that deserve the nod. Panarin as pointed out, older, more years in a pro league, playing on a stacked team. BUT, also is helping Kane in his best year ever and is nearly a PPG as a rookie. But Ghost, again as pointed out. Is a defenseman who is currently .68ppg (ish) and has more clutch game winning goals than most rookies have actual goals. All at barely age 22. He's a stud Because D men are harder to find and his point totals on a questionable team and the nature of those points in regards to winning games is so stark I have to say Ghost wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Jade Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Panarin wins by a landslide IMO. He has 10 points in his last 3 games alone. He has more points in his last 3 games than most of the players on our team all season. He deserves the Calder more than anyone. Patrick Kane had 72 points in his rookie season, Panarin already has 74 and counting. You could argue that he is a couple of years older than rookie Kane, but he is still an NHL rookie. Artemi Panarin is rookie of the year, it's pretty much guaranteed. I hope Rodin pans out the same next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 As good as Ghost has been this year, Panarin has been better. 74 points in 78 games, that's incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 30 minutes ago, Warhippy said: To be completely honest, I don't even really consider Connor in the conversation. His season; injury aside, has been more media hype than it has been on ice success. He's amazing, he's a talent no question. but he is a guy who didn't wow game in game out the same way Crosby, Kane and Ovechkin did when they were rookies. He'll be a future all star year in and out there's no question. But Panarin and Ghost are the two that deserve the nod. Panarin as pointed out, older, more years in a pro league, playing on a stacked team. BUT, also is helping Kane in his best year ever and is nearly a PPG as a rookie. But Ghost, again as pointed out. Is a defenseman who is currently .68ppg (ish) and has more clutch game winning goals than most rookies have actual goals. All at barely age 22. He's a stud Because D men are harder to find and his point totals on a questionable team and the nature of those points in regards to winning games is so stark I have to say Ghost wins. Who would get your third vote? My second place is Eichel to Ghost, I think he's been phenomenal, but would probably give my third place vote to McDavid based off of the half year production he's had. I'm torn on that since I have a bias toward players who play the whole season. If not David, I'd probably give it to Larkin. The whole field has been good though...Domi, Duclair, Reinhart, Donskoi, Fabbri, Bennett, Ehlers, Parayko...even Hutton deserves an honourable mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 14 minutes ago, Warhippy said: To be completely honest, I don't even really consider Connor in the conversation. His season; injury aside, has been more media hype than it has been on ice success. He's amazing, he's a talent no question. but he is a guy who didn't wow game in game out the same way Crosby, Kane and Ovechkin did when they were rookies. He'll be a future all star year in and out there's no question. But Panarin and Ghost are the two that deserve the nod. Panarin as pointed out, older, more years in a pro league, playing on a stacked team. BUT, also is helping Kane in his best year ever and is nearly a PPG as a rookie. But Ghost, again as pointed out. Is a defenseman who is currently .68ppg (ish) and has more clutch game winning goals than most rookies have actual goals. All at barely age 22. He's a stud Because D men are harder to find and his point totals on a questionable team and the nature of those points in regards to winning games is so stark I have to say Ghost wins. Couldn't agree with you more on McDavid. The only people who think he deserves the Calder are Oiler fans. Sure he has been great this season, but he's waaaayyy to reckless on the ice and he skates funny. Not as smooth as Crosby or Ovie, and definitely not as dominate. Don't see him ever being more than a Stamkos or Tavares. Sure he can put up points, but he won't be able to carry teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 I think it has to be Panarin, he's almost a point per game, and he has played almost every game. Sure he benefits from playing with Kane, but that's also testament to how good he is. He can play with Kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 9 minutes ago, Chalky said: I think it has to be Panarin, he's almost a point per game, and he has played almost every game. Sure he benefits from playing with Kane, but that's also testament to how good he is. He can play with Kane. I don't think anyone really disputes that. It's whether you put him on par, or if you handicap him, because he had been a Pro so long. I understand it's not a factor to some....it's a major factor to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Are people really saying McDavid hasn't been dominant? Jesus... He's 4th in the league in points per game this year. If he didn't get injured, he would have ran away with the award this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV77 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Artemi. He is basically another Kane, with the way he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEON.KNEE Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Im a huge Ghost fan, but it has to be Panarin as the rules are written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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