[Discussion] Very Important Offseason - How Will It Play Out?

[Hortankin]

VEY IMPORTANT OFFSEASON

So next season without any surprising trades here is how our team should look. Assuming we resign Baer at 2.5, Granlund at 1.5, Hamhuis at 2.5, and Etem at 1.

 

Sedin Sedin UFA - $14M
Baertschi Sutter Hansen - $9.5M
Gaunce Horvat XXXXX - $1.8M
Virtanen Granlund Etem - $3.4M
xxxxx 

 

Edler Tanev - $9.5M
Hutton UFA - 900k
Hamhuis Tryamkin - $3.4M
xxxxx xxxxx

 

Miller/Markstrom - $7.5M
Luongo - 800k

 

UFA - UFA to fit needed position.

 

XXXXX - UFA, or current prospect could fill spot.

 

xxxxx - Depth signing, current prospect

Players that should be moved
Burrows
Dorsett
Sbisa
Higgins

 

Total cap - 50.8M, that leaves us with a little over 21M in cap space. 

So this is how I think our team will look next year. 

 

I think Rodin will fill that 3rd line slot with Bo. -900K

 

I think Dorsett stays as extra forward. -2.5M

 

I think we sign Eriksson to a 3 year 6.5M contract thats frontloaded so he is tradable in the last year. -6.5M

 

I think Sbisa fills the other D spot for atleast 1 more season. -3.5M

 

I think Biega and Pedan will fill the D depth positions with Subban getting a few call ups. -1.4M

 

Total cap spent - $14.8
Remaining cap - 6.4Mish

 

I think McCann stays down as Uticas 1st line next year for a while, but once hes ready, one of Etem and Dorsett could be on the chopping block.

So I see this as our lines next year:

 

Sedin Sedin Eriksson
Baertschi Sutter Hansen
Gaunce Horvat Rodin
Virtanen Granlund Etem
Dorsett

 

Edler Tanev
Hutton Sbisa
Hamhuis Tryamkin
Pedan Biega

 

Miller 
Markstrom

 

Unless we win the lottery, this is how i see it playing out over the offseason. If you disagree with my #s there is an extra 6M+ to work with so feel free to add to my offers lol.

 

I would like to see Sbisa moved for a 2nd in this years draft and replaced with a better UFA.

 

How do you guys see our team looking heading into next season?

[Mathew Barzal]

That's a pretty hopeful wish list for moved players. Benning seems to enjoy keeping these role players around as insulation and that bottom six is way too young for my liking.

 

If we do go with that lineup we can be damned sure we're picking in the top five next year as well.

[deus.ex.makina]

Sedin Sedin Hansen

Baertschi Horvat McCann

Virtanen Sutter Rodin

Dorset Granlund Burrows

Gaunce

 

Let go : Vrbata, Etem

trade attempt (but failed) : Burrows, Higgins 

 

Edler Tanev

Hutton Tryamkin

Hamhuis Sbisa

Pedan

 

Let go : Weber, Bart

Trade attempt (failed)  : Edler

 

Miller

Markstrom

trade attempt but failed miserably  : Miller

 

i can t see any important UFA signing. 

Even with 10M i just can not see stamkos agree to come here. 

 

But i DO see a really good pick up a the draft (either fins, Tkatchuk...) that could be injected in the lineup and help us to make the next step. 

 

[MeanSeanBean]

4 hours ago, McHortanen said:

VEY IMPORTANT OFFSEASON

So next season without any surprising trades here is how our team should look. Assuming we resign Baer at 2.5, Granlund at 1.5, Hamhuis at 2.5, and Etem at 1.

 

Sedin Sedin UFA - $14M
Baertschi Sutter Hansen - $9.5M
Gaunce Horvat XXXXX - $1.8M
Virtanen Granlund Etem - $3.4M
xxxxx 

 

Edler Tanev - $9.5M
Hutton UFA - 900k
Hamhuis Tryamkin - $3.4M
xxxxx xxxxx

 

Miller/Markstrom - $7.5M
Luongo - 800k

 

UFA - UFA to fit needed position.

 

XXXXX - UFA, or current prospect could fill spot.

 

xxxxx - Depth signing, current prospect

Players that should be moved
Burrows
Dorsett
Sbisa
Higgins

 

Total cap - 50.8M, that leaves us with a little over 21M in cap space. 

So this is how I think our team will look next year. 

 

I think Rodin will fill that 3rd line slot with Bo. -900K

 

I think Dorsett stays as extra forward. -2.5M

 

I think we sign Eriksson to a 3 year 6.5M contract thats frontloaded so he is tradable in the last year. -6.5M

 

I think Sbisa fills the other D spot for atleast 1 more season. -3.5M

 

I think Biega and Pedan will fill the D depth positions with Subban getting a few call ups. -1.4M

 

Total cap spent - $14.8
Remaining cap - 6.4Mish

 

I think McCann stays down as Uticas 1st line next year for a while, but once hes ready, one of Etem and Dorsett could be on the chopping block.

So I see this as our lines next year:

 

Sedin Sedin Eriksson
Baertschi Sutter Hansen
Gaunce Horvat Rodin
Virtanen Granlund Etem
Dorsett

 

Edler Tanev
Hutton Sbisa
Hamhuis Tryamkin
Pedan Biega

 

Miller 
Markstrom

 

Unless we win the lottery, this is how i see it playing out over the offseason. If you disagree with my #s there is an extra 6M+ to work with so feel free to add to my offers lol.

 

I would like to see Sbisa moved for a 2nd in this years draft and replaced with a better UFA.

 

How do you guys see our team looking heading into next season?

My irony itch is going crazy.. You even said Vey instead of very and didn't address Vey in your post. WHERE'S THE VEY AT?! 

[MikeyBoy44]

1 hour ago, shayster007 said:

My irony itch is going crazy.. You even said Vey instead of very and didn't address Vey in your post. WHERE'S THE VEY AT?! 

5th center. I see Henrik missing more and more time as the seasons roll on because of injuries.

[Off_The_Schneid!]

Everyone keeps forgetting Larson 

He most likely will be a 7th/8th defenceman

[Tre Mac]

2 hours ago, deus.ex.makina said:

Sedin Sedin Hansen

Baertschi Horvat McCann

Virtanen Sutter Rodin

Dorset Granlund Burrows

Gaunce

 

Let go : Vrbata, Etem

trade attempt (but failed) : Burrows, Higgins 

 

Edler Tanev

Hutton Tryamkin

Hamhuis Sbisa

Pedan

 

Let go : Weber, Bart

Trade attempt (failed)  : Edler

 

Miller

Markstrom

trade attempt but failed miserably  : Miller

 

i can t see any important UFA signing. 

Even with 10M i just can not see stamkos agree to come here. 

 

But i DO see a really good pick up a the draft (either fins, Tkatchuk...) that could be injected in the lineup and help us to make the next step. 

 

We got a realist here.  Sadly this is how our offseason will play out.

[Lui's Knob]

This offseason isn't looking so good.

 

willie has got to go and they need a winning culture and coach who won't put up with 9 game losing streaks, ot/3rd period flubs.

 

julien anyone?

[Crabcakes]

Agree in principle OP.

 

It's not sexy but is a progression of what JB has been doing.

 

I think Hamhuis gets re-signed in lieu of a defensive free agent.  Tryamkin and Larsen can fill right side defense needs.  One top line forward free agent veteran to replace Vrbata.

 

I wonder if Gaunce moves to centre.  As the games go on, I think he's winning over Willie.

 

 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Crabcakes said:

Agree in principle OP.

 

It's not sexy but is a progression of what JB has been doing.

 

I think Hamhuis gets re-signed in lieu of a defensive free agent.  Tryamkin and Larsen can fill right side defense needs.  One top line forward free agent veteran to replace Vrbata.

 

I wonder if Gaunce moves to centre.  As the games go on, I think he's winning over Willie.

 

 

Is Granlund fighting with Gaunce for that 4th centre spot?  Gaunce is winning over him for sure...IMHAO

[Provost]

What "should" happen vs. what will happen make two very scenarios.

 

To me, the best case of what SHOULD happen:

 

1,  Do our best to sign both Stamkos and Eriksson

2.  Trade Either or both of McCann and Horvat (preferrably McCann for 1-2 top 4 D because we will have our top 3 C covered for years.  Try to move some salary cap out in that deal in the form of Higgins, Burrows, Sbisa.

3.  Trade away some of the depth, cheap guys (Biega, Vey, Etem, etc) for a more solid roster player from a team needing to shed cap.

4.  Hopefully draft one of the Finns, anyone out of the top three won't be on our roster next season.

 

You end up with something like:

 

Eriksson-Stamkos-Puljujarvi

Sedin-Sedin-Hansen

Baertschi-Sutter-Rodin 

Horvat-Granlund-Virtanen 

Dorsett-Gaunce 

 

Edler-Tanev

Hutton-Hamonic 

Hamhuis-Tryamkin 

Pedan- Larsen

 

Miller-Markstrom 

 

That is a playoff team that can also be built on in the next two seasons.

Summer of 2017, use the Miller cap money for another UFA and or raises for expiring young guys

Summer 2018, sign Sedins to cheaper contracts and be able to afford yet another good UFA and raises for young guys.

 

By the end of that you are a darn strong team with a good mix of young guys, guys hitting their prime, and veteran presence.

[Tajun]

We'll win the lottery, with Arizona and Toronto coming 2nd and 3rd. We trade the 1st OA to Arizona for the 2nd OA, Domi and NY's late first. We trade Domi and our 1st next year to Toronto for the 3rd OA. We draft both Finns, and sign Stamkos in FA to play with the Sedin's for two years and the Finns from then on. We trade NY's first and Jensen to Montreal for their first, moving us up to 9th, and draft a stud D-man with that pick. Team is set for a decade, and we win the cup next year when the Finns break out as elite level rookies.

 

Or did you want a serious proposal?

[Johnny Shotgun]

How will it play out?  Meaningless trades,  more uninspired draft pick failures,  probably another deal with Calgary for a useless soft European player they gave up on,  and plenty of hype about the retooling management is doing.  Other than that just the general stagnation that this club is known for.  We are the Chicago Cubs of the NHL...maybe not I think they actually won a championship.

[Jack Fig]

I'm constantly amazed at how many folks here draw out their lineups, cap space, dollars here, names there.

Yadda, yadda, yadda.

I'm just hoping for Jim to keep acquiring good players he believes in. Those players will determine how everything plays out by how well they perform. Not much else matters.

[EastCoastCanuck21]

I think everyone assumes Hamhuis will be back next season and I definitely feel like it's something that may happen, but the team hasn't negotiated with him all season and I feel he still has value to other teams that may be looking for a veteran 3-6 Dman. I don't think in any of these projected lineups that players should be included until they're actually signed, so much can change over the offseason. The only two pairs that look set right now are Edler-Tanev and Tryamkin-Hutton with Beiga, Pedan, Sbisa, Larssen all as possibilities and maybe even our first round draft pick.

 

I think most of the RFA's will be resigned, if there is an injury during the offseason/pre-season then it is easier to slide two players in who may be redundant like Granlund/Vey or Gaunce/Etem. It sounds pretty definite that the team will be carrying one extra forward and two extra dmen, one of whom can play forward for versatility.

 

Also assuming some contracts will be traded I think is not the best idea. Realistically Burrows and Higgins could would should be bought out. Does anyone know how much of a cap hit it would be for the Canucks to buy out the last year of each of their contracts? It's a percentage of the remaining over twice the length of the remaining contract I thought.

 

So with that, how I see it is like this:

 

Sedin-Sedin-Hansen

Baerstchi-Sutter-blank

Dorsett-Horvat-Etem

blank-Granlund-blank

 

Edler-Tanev

Tryamkin-Hutton

blank-blank

 

Markstrom-Miller

 

Fill in the blanks with Vey, Rodin, McCann, Virtanen, Gaunce and/or a Free Agent on forward and Pedan, Beiga, Larssen, Sbisa, and/or a Free Agent at defense. (Sbisa probably has the 5/6 role locked up)

 

Burrows - bought out

Higgins - bought out

 

If we get a top 3 pick than I think each of those players is NHL ready. One of the Finns on the wing with Baerstchi and Sutter/Horvat would look pretty enticing.

 

As for Speculation I think rather than penciling in players we should start a discussion on Free Agents that might best fit the model going forward. Almost every team is going to check on Stamkos, his rights may be traded if the Lightning don't sign him by the draft. Free agent signings it seems like Eriksson/Okposo as a signing and then maybe Hamhuis would be the best fits.

 

Trade targets I do think Hamonic would be a great fit, but we'd be trading a top 4 Dman and a second rounder at least, but I think Hamonic would be worth it.

 

[Wrecken]

Why break up lines when the chemistry is already their?

Sedin's with Hansen and Bo with Sven... dont mess with that!

The rest is anyones guess.

If Sutter repeats with injuries again next year, I will be pissed! He has a lot of making up, and proving, to do.

[highanxiety]

4 hours ago, deus.ex.makina said:

Sedin Sedin Hansen

Baertschi Horvat McCann

Virtanen Sutter Rodin

Dorset Granlund Burrows

Gaunce

 

Let go : Vrbata, Etem

trade attempt (but failed) : Burrows, Higgins 

 

Edler Tanev

Hutton Tryamkin

Hamhuis Sbisa

Pedan

 

Let go : Weber, Bart

Trade attempt (failed)  : Edler

 

Miller

Markstrom

trade attempt but failed miserably  : Miller

 

i can t see any important UFA signing. 

Even with 10M i just can not see stamkos agree to come here. 

 

But i DO see a really good pick up a the draft (either fins, Tkatchuk...) that could be injected in the lineup and help us to make the next step. 

 

I agree with this guy. Most realistic off season.

[ForsbergTheGreat]

Sedin Sedin Hansen
Lucic Sutter Rodin
Baertschi Horvat Virtanen
Etem Granlund Dorsett

Grenier

 

Edler Tanev
Hutton Tryamkin
Sbisa Larsen
Pedan Biega

 

Miller 
Markstrom

 

Out goes Burrows, and Vey,  Only spend money on 1 UFA (lucic),  Each line has speed, grit and scoring, and we still have around 5 million in cap space. 

 

Top AHL line

Gaunce McCann Boeser

[70seven]

I like Loui Eriksson, but we're going to have to overpay with both $$$ and term to get him to play for a rebuilding club at this point in his carreer (hell be 31 in july)

 

Dont see this happening.

 

 

Lucic and Okposo are far more likely as theyll both be 28 this summer.  Okposo (RW) is better offensively and a better skater.  Lucic (LW) is a belligerent oaf that can compliment a top 6 with his physical goonery.  Definitely a player that can help with swagger.  Also has played with Sutter at WJHCs for Canada.

 

These are more likely targets as they are 3 full years younger and a long term here makes far more sense for this franchise.

 

Depending on what the Canucks draft, could effect where they go in free agency.  If they should manage to get Puljujaarvi or Laine, Id think theyd want to keep them on the RW, making Okposo redundant with Hansen, Virtanen, and Boeser on the way.

 

I wouldnt rule out a coaching change, especially if Julien becomes available.  And if that move gets made, I then REALLY like the chances of landing Lucic.

 

 

My bet is that they draft 4-7 and take a Dman.

 

They look to UFA for 2 top 6 wingers, but guys who can play down the lineup as younger players emerge

 

They sign Lucic and Brouwer.

 

They look to deal Miller.  (To Calgary for Wideman makes sense for both clubs imo)  They then sign a backup like James Reimer wholl have an opportunity to share the crease with Markstrom.

 

 

Sedin Sedin Hansen

Lucic Sutter Brouwer

Baertschi Horvat Virtanen

Dorsett Granlund Etem

 

Edler Wideman

Hutton Tanev

Sbisa Tyramkin

 

Markstrom

Reimer

 

Canucks are thicker, tougher to play against.  And they get an offensive push from the back end.  We draft a top D, but elect to keep him in Junior.  Roster room opens up the following season.

 

 

 

 

 

[Caknuckle Puck]

59 minutes ago, Tajun said:

We'll win the lottery, with Arizona and Toronto coming 2nd and 3rd. We trade the 1st OA to Arizona for the 2nd OA, Domi and NY's late first. We trade Domi and our 1st next year to Toronto for the 3rd OA. We draft both Finns, and sign Stamkos in FA to play with the Sedin's for two years and the Finns from then on. We trade NY's first and Jensen to Montreal for their first, moving us up to 9th, and draft a stud D-man with that pick. Team is set for a decade, and we win the cup next year when the Finns break out as elite level rookies.

 

Or did you want a serious proposal?

reading that was a good time