flickyoursedin Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 So as we are all aware this year will be the first year the NHL is having a lottery on the top 3 picks. I think its good for the game but now that we're a bottom team this year and looking at it our odds aren't all that great to pick where we've finished in the standings. I think what would be a nice tweak on this new lottery system would be that the team or teams that have been passed by the lottery winner inherit their percentage evenly. I think once these bottom teams already get passed maybe their odds should be better. I mean it wouldn't be much of a difference but instead of everybody's odds slightly going up it would just be the odds of the teams that got passed. So for example with the current standings Leafs 20%, Oilers 13.5%, Canucks 11.5%, Blue Jackets 9.5%, Flames 8.5%, Jets 7.5% and say the Flames won 1rst overall instead of portioning their percent to the remaining 13 teams the Leafs, Oilers Canucks and Jackets would each get an extra 2.13% chance on their odds for the next pick while everybody else's odds behind Calgary remain the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelar Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Guess this couldn't go in the 12 other draft lottery threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 IMO hold the lottery pick at 5th OA, but same odds as last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 19 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: So as we are all aware this year will be the first year the NHL is having a lottery on the top 3 picks. I think its good for the game but now that we're a bottom team this year and looking at it our odds aren't all that great to pick where we've finished in the standings. I think what would be a nice tweak on this new lottery system would be that the team or teams that have been passed by the lottery winner inherit their percentage evenly. I think once these bottom teams already get passed maybe their odds should be better. I mean it wouldn't be much of a difference but instead of everybody's odds slightly going up it would just be the odds of the teams that got passed. So for example with the current standings Leafs 20%, Oilers 13.5%, Canucks 11.5%, Blue Jackets 9.5%, Flames 8.5%, Jets 7.5% and say the Flames won 1rst overall instead of portioning their percent to the remaining 13 teams the Leafs, Oilers Canucks and Jackets would each get an extra 2.13% chance on their odds for the next pick while everybody else's odds behind Calgary remain the same. If say Calgary won.. The teams ahead will gain almost 2% odds anyways.. So you tweak the system just so u can gain .2 .3% chance? Increase your odds by 1in 50? Lol useless idea useless thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I'd rather see the teams the just miss the playoffs with the best odds of winning the lottery - an idea suggested by Primal. Incentive for all teams to finish as highly as possible and counteract the tank mentality. Bottomfeeders still likely to pick in the 4-7 spots, but lose out on the top picks and higher odds as a penalty for sucking so badly. Better balance of incentives imo - and would eliminate all the whining about teams winning 'meaningless' games down the stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 8 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: If say Calgary won.. The teams ahead will gain almost 2% odds anyways.. So you tweak the system just so u can gain .2 .3% chance? Increase your odds by 1in 50? Lol useless idea useless thread If Calgary wins in the current system the Canucks odds for the 2nd pick would be 12.568%. In the idea I'm proposing if Calgary won the odds the Canucks would have would be 13.63%. I'll admit its not much different but its something more for the teams that might feel a bit cheated as they've been passed in the lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 17 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: If Calgary wins in the current system the Canucks odds for the 2nd pick would be 12.568%. In the idea I'm proposing if Calgary won the odds the Canucks would have would be 13.63%. I'll admit its not much different but its something more for the teams that might feel a bit cheated as they've been passed in the lottery. Which should be the way it is.. Why should the worse team have a same amount of odds increase as the 2nd worse team and 3rd worse and so on? That's fair to them too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 19 minutes ago, oldnews said: I'd rather see the teams the just miss the playoffs with the best odds of winning the lottery - an idea suggested by Primal. Incentive for all teams to finish as highly as possible and counteract the tank mentality. Bottomfeeders still likely to pick in the 4-7 spots, but lose out on the top picks and higher odds as a penalty for sucking so badly. Better balance of incentives imo - and would eliminate all the whining about teams winning 'meaningless' games down the stretch. But even if every team tries some teams just suck more. After all somebody has to finish last. That isn't rewarding effort. It's punishing mediocrity. The bad teams would never get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 9 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said: But even if every team tries some teams just suck more. After all somebody has to finish last. That isn't rewarding effort. It's punishing mediocrity. The bad teams would never get better. More like this is rewarding mediocrity or the good teams with an off season lol imagine LA kings gotten the first pick coz they just miss the playoff last year. Or say Boston this year. They are far superior to all the non playoff teams and you reward them by letting them get better? Retarded idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: More like this is rewarding mediocrity or the good teams with an off season lol imagine LA kings gotten the first pick coz they just miss the playoff last year. Or say Boston this year. They are far superior to all the non playoff teams and you reward them by letting them get better? Retarded idea I think its a fine line between rewarding mediocrity and trying to build a competitive league. If the best prospects always go to good teams and the garbage teams get average prospects how do you ever expect them to compete? There is a reason Boston is a border playoff team and Toronto is last in the league. If you give Matthews to Boston and Toronto gets a prospect not ready to contribute next year where do you think Boston and Toronto will finish next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireGillis Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 1 minute ago, flickyoursedin said: I think its a fine line between rewarding mediocrity and trying to build a competitive league. If the best prospects always go to good teams and the garbage teams get average prospects how do you ever expect them to compete? There is a reason Boston is a border playoff team and Toronto is last in the league. If you give Matthews to Boston and Toronto gets a prospect not ready to contribute next year where do you think Boston and Toronto will finish next year? Yup. It goes against the NHL's idea of parity. If bubble teams get rewarded, then the bottom teams have no hope of getting better and the difference b/w good and bad teams will just increase with bad teams losing their chance to get better through the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 21 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: Which should be the way it is.. Why should the worse team have a same amount of odds increase as the 2nd worse team and 3rd worse and so on? That's fair to them too? Its the same odds edge they had against those teams to start the lottery and they were all passed by the same team. At the end of the day in this system that last place team would still get better odds my proposed way so I don't think they'd complain getting the same share of the a lottery winners percentage. Its just the idea of every team that has now been bumped in the draft order gets more percent where as the teams that aren't really affected in their draft order by the lottery winner don't get the percentage of the winners pick because their position remains unchanged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, FireGillis said: Yup. It goes against the NHL's idea of parity. If bubble teams get rewarded, then the bottom teams have no hope of getting better and the difference b/w good and bad teams will just increase with bad teams losing their chance to get better through the draft. I think they're doing a better job with making the top 3 picks lottery picks I think we'll see some 5-10 place teams jumping up into the top 3. So its taking more away from the idea of tanking and giving more of a chance to every team. What I'm proposing isn't a huge difference its only a matter of small percents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireGillis Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: I think they're doing a better job with making the top 3 picks lottery picks I think we'll see some 5-10 place teams jumping up into the top 3. So its taking more away from the idea of tanking and giving more of a chance to every team. What I'm proposing isn't a huge difference its only a matter of small percents. Oh, I wasn't talking about your idea. Was talking about the idea of giving the teams that just missed the playoffs the best chance to win the lottery, so like Boston this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 32 minutes ago, FireGillis said: Oh, I wasn't talking about your idea. Was talking about the idea of giving the teams that just missed the playoffs the best chance to win the lottery, so like Boston this year. I might agree with you more on Bostons 1% chance at winning but my team is sitting in third last right now so I'd rather Vancouver has the better odds at Matthews than Boston does. Boston is already 12 wins and 53 goals better than us. If they got a top 3 pick franchise prospect and Vancouver got a good prospect a couple years away then that would suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 53 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: Its the same odds edge they had against those teams to start the lottery and they were all passed by the same team. At the end of the day in this system that last place team would still get better odds my proposed way so I don't think they'd complain getting the same share of the a lottery winners percentage. Its just the idea of every team that has now been bumped in the draft order gets more percent where as the teams that aren't really affected in their draft order by the lottery winner don't get the percentage of the winners pick because their position remains unchanged. Like I said your idea doesn't work as it punishes the worse team. So what say a team with only a 1.5% chance won the lottery. Then the top team will only get a 0.1% increase in odds rather than 0.3% because it's split evenly to all the other 13 teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Give the 17th place team the 20% chance and then start at the bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I think it should be even odds from 1st to 6th worse (10% each). Then even odds from 7-10(6% each). Then declining from 11-14 (5.5%,4.5%,3.5%, 2.5%). The lottery picks remain to be selected for 1st - 3rd overall. However, teams in positions 11-14 are only eligible for 2nd or 3rd overall. In the event that one of these teams is selected for 1st overall a re-draw would occur. Maybe even add a rule that only 1 of those teams can be selected for top 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 2 hours ago, Where's Wellwood said: But even if every team tries some teams just suck more. After all somebody has to finish last. That isn't rewarding effort. It's punishing mediocrity. The bad teams would never get better. When it comes to competitive, professional sport, I am in favour of punishing mediocrity. Persistent terrible management should not be rewarded or subsidized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 2 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: More like this is rewarding mediocrity or the good teams with an off season lol imagine LA kings gotten the first pick coz they just miss the playoff last year. Or say Boston this year. They are far superior to all the non playoff teams and you reward them by letting them get better? Retarded idea Your mediocre teams will be getting, at worst, a 4th, 5th overall picks. If they do this perenially, they'll be getting 4th, 5th overall picks year after year in succession. Do you know what is fn "retarded"? Giving the same pathetic, bottomfeeding, incompetently managed franchise 3, 4, 5 first overall picks in less than a decade. Why don't you tell me how that served "parity". What you call "retarded", you haven't thought out ironically. A team like Boston - which missed the playoffs last year genius (whether they're "far superior" to all non playoff teams is, well, I won't call it "retarded", but it aint bright) - would not be "given" anything - they'd have a mere fraction of a chance of winning the draft lottery - as the perenially rewarded and incompetent Edmonton Oilers are this year. The teams that just miss the playoffs and don't win one of those lottery picks wind up picking in their natural order. It's a format that would actually counterbalance the idiocy of the current system - and how exactly has it resulted in "parity"? You haven't really made a valid point, and yet you're dropping words like "retarded". It says more about you than the merits of the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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