Rush17 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Hey Guys, I am in the process of getting all the parts for my new rig. I am currently building a system with the following specs: I7 4790 3.6GHz MSI 5 Gaming Motherboard XFX 380 4GB OC Video card 16GB 1866 RAM (9 latency) 2 SSD samsung evo's 120 & 250. in a define s (window case) I am curious how I should cool this unit. I like the look of the corsair hydro fans but noise is a concern for me. I would like to ideally model after this build: in hardware canucks video. The debating I am having is should I get the corsair h55 the single fan slot raditator or should I bump it up too an h105 with the cooler red ring. I don't know a ton about controlling fan speed but I saw one video with Linus where he mentioned you can reduce the speed of the fans down to 800 rpm and it will remain relatively quiet. What do you guys think i should go for? and if I opt to go for the h55 should i mount it on the back exhaust fan? and last but not least... should i replace all the fans or the cpu fan with a noctua f12 I believe it was. I will be using the pc mostly for gaming (csgo, h1z1 etc) but I do plan on doing some video editing and rendering down the line. Ideally I would like the system to stay in a safe tempature range and have zero plans for overclocking. Would you recommend the h105 with lower fan speed and would that be quiet enough where it wouldnt drive me bonkers. I've based this system off silence performance and don't want to hamper the hardware or the noise level. Please let me know if you have any suggestions, tips, or questions to further help me lol. appreicate the love and support! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted April 11, 2016 Author Share Posted April 11, 2016 The standard case fans run at 18db noise level at 1500 rpms. Curious if I should keep them or flip them with noctua. the h105 is on sale for $104 and the h55 is on for $65. Price isn't really the concern just keeping it cool, quiet, and fast is key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Just my 2 cents, but I would get Nvida card instead, been on them since the 90's and just upgraded my PC to a GIGABYTE GTX 970 TTOC-4GD. Also, I prefer Asus or GigaByte MB's.... If you are building new today, get the Skylake processor, not the 4790... I was close to getting the Tier 3 of: http://www.ncix.com/article/Impact-R3.htm But I've upgraded my current OC'd I5 over the past year, dual SSD's, Corsair PSU, video, Corsair Vengence Ram so I figured I might as well keep it going for another year or 2. Cooling? That's up to you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Balboa Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Back in the days, I remember I knew people who would build systems in bar fridges... Nothing like overclocking a 486... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haikara Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Sort of off-topic, I looked at those coolers when I was building my PC, then I settled on a cooler master hyper evo 212. 2 years and no problems, extremely quiet even for a light sleeper like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux4lyfe Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 What's your budget? Some of that stuff is just overkill and you'll end up spending too much money for really no good reason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted April 11, 2016 Author Share Posted April 11, 2016 Hey, Thanks for all the responses. I opted for the 380 because I got it on sale for the same price as a 960. The performance is slightly better and its a relatively cool and quiet card compared to some others. I have already gotten all the parts with the exception of the processor, motherboard, and cooling unit. 25 minutes ago, Haikara said: Sort of off-topic, I looked at those coolers when I was building my PC, then I settled on a cooler master hyper evo 212. 2 years and no problems, extremely quiet even for a light sleeper like me. I was looking at possibly getting the hyper but I really look the clean look of the liquid cooling units. In the video I linked it has a photo of the h105 with the red ring. The build is going to be mainly red with the exception of my blue ram lol. better latency same price couldn't pass it up. 1 hour ago, Heretic said: Just my 2 cents, but I would get Nvida card instead, been on them since the 90's and just upgraded my PC to a GIGABYTE GTX 970 TTOC-4GD. Also, I prefer Asus or GigaByte MB's.... If you are building new today, get the Skylake processor, not the 4790... I was close to getting the Tier 3 of: http://www.ncix.com/article/Impact-R3.htm But I've upgraded my current OC'd I5 over the past year, dual SSD's, Corsair PSU, video, Corsair Vengence Ram so I figured I might as well keep it going for another year or 2. Cooling? That's up to you... What version of the next gen would you recommend? I was looking to stay around that $400 cad mark if possible. Last I saw the next gen was considerably more expensive. I was thinking of the 4790 regular because I had no plans of overclocking and I can save $50. Cooling though is important that's why I am inquiring on what setup would be recommended. The corsair h105 is normally around $250-260. I found it on sale on amazon for $104 so I'm heavily considering it because it matches the design in the video. But my friend who I was talking too said its better to have the radiator at the back of the machine then the front in the video. As it pushes the air out from the cpu instead of flowing into your machine. I understand that logic but we both weren't sure if there would be enough airflow with the single exhaust fan at the rear. Really curious what I should do with the cooling. 1 hour ago, Heretic said: Just my 2 cents, but I would get Nvida card instead, been on them since the 90's and just upgraded my PC to a GIGABYTE GTX 970 TTOC-4GD. Also, I prefer Asus or GigaByte MB's.... If you are building new today, get the Skylake processor, not the 4790... I was close to getting the Tier 3 of: http://www.ncix.com/article/Impact-R3.htm But I've upgraded my current OC'd I5 over the past year, dual SSD's, Corsair PSU, video, Corsair Vengence Ram so I figured I might as well keep it going for another year or 2. Cooling? That's up to you... I was looking at the gigabyte but for the same price the msi comes with additional ports and enhanced on board audio / lan features that were lacking in the gigabyte. So I opted to go for the red msi to match the build and give me the most for the dollar. They both have 4/5 stars on newegg so I'm confident the results should be the same. Not sure on the cooling though lol. so confusing. in the video I linked above the guy has 2 fans on either side of the raditator to really push the air through. Al though those fans are decent I'd rather opt for the non lite ones and grab some noctuas or the standard define s fans which are really quiet. I just don't know how to setup the cooling. I've been pulling my hair out all morning trying to find the right solution. I just dont have the knowledge to make an educated decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted April 11, 2016 Author Share Posted April 11, 2016 Is there a benefit for using the h105 dual fan super thick radiator instead of an rear exhausting h55? I don't plan on Overclocking but if I were to use the bigger raditator and 2 fan system i could probably have it run on a lower rpm and have the heat more smoothly dispensed from the cpu. But is it better then doing just the exit exhaust from the back of the case that might block the flow of air coming from the front of the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiffyPB Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 26 minutes ago, Rush17 said: Is there a benefit for using the h105 dual fan super thick radiator instead of an rear exhausting h55? I don't plan on Overclocking but if I were to use the bigger raditator and 2 fan system i could probably have it run on a lower rpm and have the heat more smoothly dispensed from the cpu. But is it better then doing just the exit exhaust from the back of the case that might block the flow of air coming from the front of the case? Greater cooling capacity for dual rad. If you're not overclocking the CPU don't even bother with liquid cooling. The cpu fan normally included with the chip when you buy it is more than adequate enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted April 11, 2016 Author Share Posted April 11, 2016 9 minutes ago, ghjffbali said: Greater cooling capacity for dual rad. If you're not overclocking the CPU don't even bother with liquid cooling. The cpu fan normally included with the chip when you buy it is more than adequate enough. Would the raditator give the system a more cool enviroment by having the raditator there. Or is it irrelevant? What exactly does the raditator do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiffyPB Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Just now, Rush17 said: Would the raditator give the system a more cool enviroment by having the raditator there. Or is it irrelevant? What exactly does the raditator do? A radiator works like a heat sink. It transfers the heat from the water into the air. The fans attached to the radiator will spin and move that hot air out of the case and cooled water will then run back down to the CPU to absorb the heat released from the CPU again. You don't need water cooling if you are only running the CPU on stock. The stock fan/heat sink will do the job just fine. Also just get a 6000 series (like i5-6600). Newer chipset, runs cooler and faster, uses less power and DDR4 RAM support (motherboard more future proof if you want to upgrade RAM in the future) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 hour ago, ghjffbali said: A radiator works like a heat sink. It transfers the heat from the water into the air. The fans attached to the radiator will spin and move that hot air out of the case and cooled water will then run back down to the CPU to absorb the heat released from the CPU again. You don't need water cooling if you are only running the CPU on stock. The stock fan/heat sink will do the job just fine. Also just get a 6000 series (like i5-6600). Newer chipset, runs cooler and faster, uses less power and DDR4 RAM support (motherboard more future proof if you want to upgrade RAM in the future) I know I don't need the water cooling but would it make a big diference if I went with a dual fan cpu cooler like the h105, h110, h100? I'm curious if it would even have any benefit if the cpu itself isn't hot enough to use the full raditator? I really am fine with doing overkill if it makes a difference. I just really want my system to remain cool like around 50c if possible under load. Would it make a difference at all? I really appreciate your input! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiffyPB Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 5 hours ago, Rush17 said: I know I don't need the water cooling but would it make a big diference if I went with a dual fan cpu cooler like the h105, h110, h100? I'm curious if it would even have any benefit if the cpu itself isn't hot enough to use the full raditator? I really am fine with doing overkill if it makes a difference. I just really want my system to remain cool like around 50c if possible under load. Would it make a difference at all? I really appreciate your input! Just get a single fan rad since you aren't overclocking because you would never reach such temperatures that it would matter to get a dual fan rad. Dual fan rads are for those into serious overclocking or those with more complex water-cooling systems (both CPU and GPU connected in one loop, etc.). Either way, you will likely NEVER reach the temperatures to where a stock clocked CPU would need to be water cooled unless Victoria BC suddenly has 50C ambient room temperature. Water cooling is also more noisy and requires more energy from the power supply and modern day Intel CPU's can function without throttling up to 100C. As long as your CPU is 90C or under after multiple hours under full load you are fine (this is pretty hard to achieve on stock speeds and video games never stress a CPU like an i5 to full load). 50C is pretty low for a CPU under full load and really only seen on wake for computers with kick ass cooling setups that under load would reach freak temperatures like beyond 100C if they were not adequately cooled because they are supposed to run very demanding tasks for long periods of time. Even as a gamer my chip has never really surpassed 80C on stock cooler and I run an old Sandy bridge 95 watt CPU. TLDR: You would never do anything demanding enough to get your non-overclocked CPU hot enough to truly benefit from a dual fan rad. It would be like getting chrome wheels for a beat up 99 corolla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 26 minutes ago, ghjffbali said: Just get a single fan rad since you aren't overclocking because you would never reach such temperatures that it would matter to get a dual fan rad. Dual fan rads are for those into serious overclocking or those with more complex water-cooling systems (both CPU and GPU connected in one loop, etc.). Either way, you will likely NEVER reach the temperatures to where a stock clocked CPU would need to be water cooled unless Victoria BC suddenly has 50C ambient room temperature. Water cooling is also more noisy and requires more energy from the power supply and modern day Intel CPU's can function without throttling up to 100C. As long as your CPU is 90C or under after multiple hours under full load you are fine (this is pretty hard to achieve on stock speeds and video games never stress a CPU like an i5 to full load). 50C is pretty low for a CPU under full load and really only seen on wake for computers with kick ass cooling setups that under load would reach freak temperatures like beyond 100C if they were not adequately cooled because they are supposed to run very demanding tasks for long periods of time. Even as a gamer my chip has never really surpassed 80C on stock cooler and I run an old Sandy bridge 95 watt CPU. TLDR: You would never do anything demanding enough to get your non-overclocked CPU hot enough to truly benefit from a dual fan rad. It would be like getting chrome wheels for a beat up 99 corolla. I like chrome wheels ˄ ˄ :D Thank you though for the information! I really do appreciate it. If I do the single rad should I feed the hot air out the back through the single back fanÉ Reason I ask is pc has noise dampening material on the roof and I dont wish to expose. Probably at the front would work better but I dont believe the h55 has a long enough cooling cord. hmmmm... if you have any additional advice it would be appreicated. thanks so much for what you have shared so far though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefcakeBo Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Don't get an H55. Pile of junk. Its not even a copper block on that unit. You are basically paying for gimmicky crap. Same with the H105 ect. Just leave the stock heatsink on it will be plenty quiet. If you really are concerned that its going to be too loud however just get an aftermarket cooler thats not a closed water system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Lol all those specs for CS GO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Bob.Loblaw said: Lol all those specs for CS GO... The specs are for video editing and rendering more so then cs. cs is just a fun hobby lol. Im interested in learning video editing and potentially getting into creating podcast content. A system like this gives me the flexibity to do what I want too and have a sense of what I would like to pursue. Save me having to upgrade later. Someone else mentioned getting the new gen i5 but I have already ordered my 1150 socket mobo so I cant get that now lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Rush17 said: The specs are for video editing and rendering more so then cs. cs is just a fun hobby lol. Im interested in learning video editing and potentially getting into creating podcast content. A system like this gives me the flexibity to do what I want too and have a sense of what I would like to pursue. Save me having to upgrade later. Someone else mentioned getting the new gen i5 but I have already ordered my 1150 socket mobo so I cant get that now lol. I've seen a machine zap strapped to two milk crates on Craigslist. It was epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckinEdm Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 why do people care about a super quiet computer? Whenever I game I wear headphones so I cant hear the computer anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiffyPB Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 22 minutes ago, CanuckinEdm said: why do people care about a super quiet computer? Whenever I game I wear headphones so I cant hear the computer anyways. When the fan ramps up it can get very loud and unless you have completely closed headphones it is a nuisance. Most higher end headphones are open design as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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