Chris Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 30 minutes ago, Kazmanian Devil said: What did we do to JJ? I'd really like to know too... He actually seemed like he could have been cool to have around before ditching at the last moment, I thought, and hoped it was just tactics or something until the kill showed him as TP, really disappointing to see him go out at such an important moment Just now, Kazmanian Devil said: Dral is the final Mafia vote Dral @Chris Surprised you're TP. I enjoyed doing battle with you I can go along with a Dral Vote; @Time Lord You cool with that? Vote Dral @Kazmanian Devil Likewise; That round made me appreciate Mafia alot more than I used to. I am a pretty erratic player sometimes so I couldn't blame you for thinking I wasn't TP. Link to comment
Time Lord Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Hmmm Kaz, earlier you said you were starting to think that Toews and I could be teammates. How come you are now acting like I'm confirmed TP? Dral was your 3rd suspect after Chris and me. I get that Chris is basically cleared, but I shouldn't be if you believe there's still a chance of me and Toews being teammates. So why would you instantly go after a guy who you had hardly suspected at all over the course of the whole game? All your points against Dral make sense, but you never even implied that you suspected him until now. Link to comment
Chris Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Just now, Time Lord said: Hmmm Kaz, earlier you said you were starting to think that Toews and I could be teammates. How come you are now acting like I'm confirmed TP? Dral was your 3rd suspect after Chris and me. I get that Chris is basically cleared, but I shouldn't be if you believe there's still a chance of me and Toews being teammates. So why would you instantly go after a guy who you had hardly suspected at all over the course of the whole game? All your points against Dral make sense, but you never even implied that you suspected him until now. Does it really matter? There is only one Mafia left right?; and its either Dral or Kaz; so I mean, if we take Dral out now and Kaz isn't telling the truth, we still win next round, unless I'm missing some super duper rare role or something, lol. Link to comment
Chris Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 We just have to be sure we're both around for next nightfall. XD Link to comment
Kazmanian Devil Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 17 minutes ago, Time Lord said: Hmmm Kaz, earlier you said you were starting to think that Toews and I could be teammates. How come you are now acting like I'm confirmed TP? Dral was your 3rd suspect after Chris and me. I get that Chris is basically cleared, but I shouldn't be if you believe there's still a chance of me and Toews being teammates. So why would you instantly go after a guy who you had hardly suspected at all over the course of the whole game? All your points against Dral make sense, but you never even implied that you suspected him until now. Because I realized how asinine that idea was. If the plan was to get you killed for TP cred, he would've done it on the night he claimed against you. 112 seemed to believe his claim, so he easily could've gotten it done. Dral was actually my second suspect, after Chris: 23 hours ago, Kazmanian Devil said: unvote vote Toews Don't see a scenario where he's not Mafia. Assuming he has a teammate left it's either Chris, Dral, or TL. In that order of likeliness imo I didn't even consider Dral a serious suspect until earlier tonight, as I pretty obviously hung up on Chris and Toews being the final Mafia. I was at work thinking about this game (my job is really boring) and it donned on me how scummy Dral's response to my Falcon vote was. Then when I got home, as I was looking back at that, I saw he completely changed his stance on TL vs. Toews, basically the stuff I covered in my post. Chris made my job a lot easier by basically confirming himself as town. Link to comment
Time Lord Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Chris said: Does it really matter? There is only one Mafia left right?; and its either Dral or Kaz; so I mean, if we take Dral out now and Kaz isn't telling the truth, we still win next round, unless I'm missing some super duper rare role or something, lol. 4 people left. After the lynch and mafia kill, there will be 2 people left. If 1 of the 2 is mafia, they win. Link to comment
Chris Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Time Lord said: 4 people left. After the lynch and mafia kill, there will be 2 people left. If 1 of the 2 is mafia, they win. Ah, good point, for some reason I forgot about the Mafia kill. - I'm going to blame the beers I've had and call it an evening, lol. Link to comment
Kazmanian Devil Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 On 4/20/2016 at 5:33 PM, Time Lord said: There are 8 people left, including likely 3 mafia. If we mislynch, we lose. Just because Toews claims to have tracked me doesn't make it true. Let's go back and reconsider: When Aladeen claimed to have watched Toews visit Virtanen in round 1, he came up with the excuse that some "redirector" made him do it. This role has almost never been used before, and this is a 17 player game. And the redirector just happened to hit the one person who was under pressure to come up with an excuse in the thread. Just a coincidence . But there's more to this. Toews instantly assumed that the redirector was a TP role, when he was talking about how the high amount of TP roles likely means a high amount of mafia. Why would anyone assume that the redirector is a TP role? Maybe if they're mafia and know for a fact that the mafia team doesn't have one. And I know for a fact that he's lying about tracking me. Some of you seem to have believed that, and rightfully so. Toews is the obvious lynch here. Vote Intoewsables. On 4/20/2016 at 5:36 PM, Dral said: How do you know, for a fact, that he's lying? Yeah On 4/20/2016 at 5:37 PM, Time Lord said: Because I didn't visit anyone On 4/20/2016 at 5:38 PM, Dral said: so you know for a fact there is no role switcher ? On 4/20/2016 at 6:12 PM, Dral said: BW also called Toews out pretty strongly... lmao Dral defends Toews and his ludicrous claim so hard. It's actually laughable how Mafia he is Link to comment
Kazmanian Devil Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 On 4/19/2016 at 5:35 AM, Dral said: The only reason I'm even entertaining the idea that Toews is telling the truth is because he was calling out BW pretty hard early and jumped on to lynch him, also was pretty strong in pushing for a Qwags lynch... sacrificing 2 mafia team mates to give him a shred of TP cred seems a bit far fetched if he's actually lying and is mafia himself - seems safer to just sacrifice himself and keep 2 team mates alive... the game would be over by now... Yeah, with 8 of us left, he's got to know that lying about this is suicide, unless it clinches the victory for the mafia (obvious hasn't because we're still playing)... so we know theres no more then 3 mafia left... (if there was 4, they could tie the vote, and then MK someone, meaning the game is then over)... We also know there was a sheriff, doc, vig, watcher vs maybe kingpin and a blocker... kinda seems a bit unbalanced for no more then 5 mafia in a game with 17 people... a tracker and a role switcher does seem more fair... it's not totally out there to think that the mafia know the only way they are getting caught is to be tracked, so who ever sends in the MK, switch them with a TP (which, incidentally, confirms TL as TP)... unless of course TL is actually mafia and the track was legit... but again, either way, it's a suicide missing if he's lying, and it didn't even work, so it wasn't even a 1 for 1 trade... doesn't really make sense... chuckling hard at this point Link to comment
Kazmanian Devil Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 On 4/19/2016 at 6:30 PM, One one two said: I like how we're still going to lynch Qwags even though TL murdered our doctor. There's no excuse for playing as he is whether TP or Wolf. On 4/19/2016 at 6:34 PM, Dral said: this is so stupid... whatever, I'm off to work now, will be back after nightfall... Dral's direct response He even defended Qwags! Link to comment
Kazmanian Devil Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 On 4/18/2016 at 6:30 AM, Dral said: Aladeen lap dances all around! vote Swags #in112wetrust Kaz continually voting Qwags without reason seems kind of fishy, not sure if we give him the benefit... for now I guess... Toews also, until we get some more info... I'm actually wiht 112 on falcon - I'd jot him down as potato over mafia... wouldn't mind seeing TL or maybe Zfetch (/JJ?) vig'd... Here he is defending Falcon On 4/16/2016 at 0:36 PM, Dral said: Yeah, there's definitely no way Jazz ever looked at a mafia wiki, or talked to other hosts, or used google, or has an imagination... with no role list it kinda feels like you're grasping at straws... I've done games where more then half the players have roles and one where everyone had one... would still be interested in your anal-list though, I bet it makes my Aladenis swell... Wow, this redirector defending goes really far back! Link to comment
Dral Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Good job Chris... damn good thing you didn't quit... and to those voting for me now... all I have to say is Link to comment
Dral Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 7 hours ago, Kazmanian Devil said: Dral flips out at me for wanting to set aside TL vs. Toews and lynch Falcon (please note that I had my vote on TL before this, very important detail) He then doesn't even vote in that round This after Falcon is lynched Falcon was scummy and slipped under your radar, even though the night before you had a big problem with me voting him over Toews/TL. He completely flips his stance on the TL/Toews situation after 1 lynched scum. He knows he's running out of teammates and isn't willing to risk Toews anymore. He reaffirms his flipped stance on TL/Toews, and lists 2 TP as his top scum, obviously JJ was far too townie to list there. This is incredibly scummy, whether it's true or not Of course you're not against it. Defending Toews Votes TL This is ridiculous. TL didn't use any bad logic against Toews. There was never gonna be a redirector and that's now confirmed. As TL already said, Toews didn't try to get TL killed on the night he claimed TL's visit because he'd basically be sacrificing himself. Explain this "bad logic" And you just ignore TL's point, which he once again explains: OMG - Of course I wanted to find out Toews vs TL WHEN WE COULD AFFORD a 1 for 1 trade... which is a great deal for the town... and of course I'm going to flip my stance when its do or die, yet we can have the luxury to put it off for a couple rounds to get some more information.. (BTW - sorry TL, I honestly can't believe Toews played that badly...) 7 hours ago, Chris said: I'd really like to know too... He actually seemed like he could have been cool to have around before ditching at the last moment, I thought, and hoped it was just tactics or something until the kill showed him as TP, really disappointing to see him go out at such an important moment I can go along with a Dral Vote; @Time Lord You cool with that? Vote Dral @Kazmanian Devil Likewise; That round made me appreciate Mafia alot more than I used to. I am a pretty erratic player sometimes so I couldn't blame you for thinking I wasn't TP. Oh boy Chris, please don't... after spending the last few rounds pushing you guys to talk and not give up and get as much information as possible (pretty bloody stupid thing to do as mafia when all you have to do is sit back and watch the TP hang themselves) 6 hours ago, Kazmanian Devil said: Because I realized how asinine that idea was. If the plan was to get you killed for TP cred, he would've done it on the night he claimed against you. 112 seemed to believe his claim, so he easily could've gotten it done. Dral was actually my second suspect, after Chris: I didn't even consider Dral a serious suspect until earlier tonight, as I pretty obviously hung up on Chris and Toews being the final Mafia. I was at work thinking about this game (my job is really boring) and it donned on me how scummy Dral's response to my Falcon vote was. Then when I got home, as I was looking back at that, I saw he completely changed his stance on TL vs. Toews, basically the stuff I covered in my post. Chris made my job a lot easier by basically confirming himself as town. Wow - you just contradict yourself in the next sentence... 3 hours ago, Kazmanian Devil said: Dral's direct response He even defended Qwags! I wasn't defending Qwags, I criticizing the towns choice to lynch someone seemingly out of the blue when we had the TL/Toews thing to settle.... you guys realize if we had lynched TL that round, Toews would have been next for sure... 3 hours ago, Kazmanian Devil said: Here he is defending Falcon Wow, this redirector defending goes really far back! Uhhh again, not defending falcon - I literally called him a potato... it felt like he was a bad player, not scummy... which I freely admitted to being wrong after we lynched falcon... note: I was also agreeing with 112 who brought it up first... Link to comment
Dral Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 I don't know why I'm bothering... either you guys know I've had the towns best interest at heart this whole time, or you think I've been playing you... either way its got to be Kaz... vote KAZ Feel free to lock in your votes against me, my consolation prize will be a big fat "I told you so" Link to comment
Dral Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, Dral said: OMG - Of course I wanted to find out Toews vs TL WHEN WE COULD AFFORD a 1 for 1 trade... which is a great deal for the town... and of course I'm going to flip my stance when its do or die, yet we can have the luxury to put it off for a couple rounds to get some more information.. Just to add - I was right... by waiting a couple rounds, we ended up lynching the correct person... Link to comment
Dral Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 On 4/21/2016 at 0:13 PM, Dral said: This is probably the scummiest thing you've done all game... if the noose has been around your neck for a few rounds now and you're still alive, you should be happy and fighting... not giving the mafia the win... or potentially your ally a clear easy route to bandwagon for tp cred... @Chris remember this? If I was mafia and I know you're TP, why wouldn't I just let you quit and not say anything... suddenly the game is over... not gonna lie, I'm taking partial credit for last nights lynching victory Link to comment
Kazmanian Devil Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Dral said: OMG - Of course I wanted to find out Toews vs TL WHEN WE COULD AFFORD a 1 for 1 trade... which is a great deal for the town... and of course I'm going to flip my stance when its do or die, yet we can have the luxury to put it off for a couple rounds to get some more information.. (BTW - sorry TL, I honestly can't believe Toews played that badly...) Oh boy Chris, please don't... after spending the last few rounds pushing you guys to talk and not give up and get as much information as possible (pretty bloody stupid thing to do as mafia when all you have to do is sit back and watch the TP hang themselves) Wow - you just contradict yourself in the next sentence... I wasn't defending Qwags, I criticizing the towns choice to lynch someone seemingly out of the blue when we had the TL/Toews thing to settle.... you guys realize if we had lynched TL that round, Toews would have been next for sure... Uhhh again, not defending falcon - I literally called him a potato... it felt like he was a bad player, not scummy... which I freely admitted to being wrong after we lynched falcon... note: I was also agreeing with 112 who brought it up first... We couldn't afford to trade. You literally said it yourself right before that: On 4/20/2016 at 2:28 AM, Dral said: omg so drunk,... need moar posts... we're fracked bohys... we're fracked... am I tyhe onlyt one talking now? Bread yourw toast.,.. no wqay around it... last confirmed TP standing... we need to lynch these biznacks right now.... I've compiled a sectret list of peeps who are probly mafia based on voting patterns, talking and what nots... we got this dudes... just need to lynch now someone whos bad... for sure, no problem... its Kaz or Chris... p\ls guys, vote Chris... or kaz....or at least switch it up for the next 12 hours so we can get some more info... I swear to ghandhi, you get this wrong, and it's over Vote Chris Sounds like an easy way to try and appear townie. That's why I said "serious". I made it clear that I thought Chris and Toews had to be the last Mafia. I only wrote you and TL on the outside chance that Chris convinced me otherwise, which he did. If you really felt that way you would've pushed harder than just calling everything stupid. Don't see how anyone could feel Falcon wasn't scummy in this game. Oh, and 112 said he was scummy and was reading him off a gut feel: On 4/17/2016 at 3:05 PM, One one two said: tbh even though I recognize some of falcon's actions as scummy and from what I remember of his reads disagree with them, my gut says he's not mafia Link to comment
Kazmanian Devil Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Dral said: Just to add - I was right... by waiting a couple rounds, we ended up lynching the correct person... Yet you tried to get TL lynched. You were right? I was right, I was the one who suggested waiting, to which, as I've already shown, you responded angrily. 2 hours ago, Dral said: @Chris remember this? If I was mafia and I know you're TP, why wouldn't I just let you quit and not say anything... suddenly the game is over... not gonna lie, I'm taking partial credit for last nights lynching victory Clearly it wasn't JJ who convinced Chris Link to comment
Dral Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 10 minutes ago, Kazmanian Devil said: We couldn't afford to trade. You literally said it yourself right before that: Sounds like an easy way to try and appear townie. That's why I said "serious". I made it clear that I thought Chris and Toews had to be the last Mafia. I only wrote you and TL on the outside chance that Chris convinced me otherwise, which he did. If you really felt that way you would've pushed harder than just calling everything stupid. Don't see how anyone could feel Falcon wasn't scummy in this game. Oh, and 112 said he was scummy and was reading him off a gut feel: Lol, you are so stretching... not surprising at all Right... appear townie or win the game... hmmm what would the mafia do? I can't push harder when I'm leaving for work and have no time to add anything... Link to comment
Dral Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, Kazmanian Devil said: Yet you tried to get TL lynched. You were right? I was right, I was the one who suggested waiting, to which, as I've already shown, you responded angrily. Clearly it wasn't JJ who convinced Chris Stop misrepresenting what happened - when we COULD afford a trade, I was all for it... when we couldn't afford it, and we either lynch a mafia or lose the game, I wanted to prolong it as long as possible... you know, so we don't make a mistake we couldn't afford to make... Maybe it was JJ who finally convinced Chris, only he knows that... but I told him he should be fighting if he's town before anyone else did... clearly I was just trying to ACT like a "townie" instead of trying to win the game... Link to comment
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