Piggy Bank Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 First, take care of expected cap space: Bettman is estimating a $3M increase. Therefore, salary cap will be about $74.4M. 99-100% Gone: Maybe's -$5M in Vrbata -$4.5M in Hamhuis (50/50 = gone/resign for less) -$4.5M in Burrows -$1.75M in Bartkowski (50/50 = gone/Benning likes and could be 6th-7th man...) -$2.5M in Prust -$.85M in Etem (50/50 = good ending/draft + FA could change his fate) -$2.5M in Higgins -$1.5M in Weber -$1M in Vey total: $18M + total: $0-$7.1M = 18M - 25.1M in contract shedding $$$ Re-sign: Baertschi $2.5M per for 2 years. Granlund $1.5M per for 2 years. Now, this leaves us with anywhere from $16M - $23M in Cap space for more re-signings (Bart Hammer or Etem) or FA's FA: Lucic, 27 years old, $32.5M over five years (6.5M per) - PF, Sedin's, role model for Virtanen, protect everyone like Jesse Bae and BoHo Yandle, 29 years old, $26M over four years (6.5M per) - PPQB, elite OFD, Hutton + other youngings can learn from his XP Boedker, 26 years old, $36M over six years (6.5M per) - Perfect age, wont resign with Av's (report), model for Puljujarvi I feel they will all get very similar contracts form whichever team takes them. Also, they don't interfere with youth infusion. Hansen and Dorsett will move on shortly, as will the Sedin's slide down the charts. Cap Space after: ~$3.6M (Could sign Hamhuis...) Draft: (I wont use simulator, and assume draft take 3rd overall.) 3rd OA: Jesse Puljujarvi Sedin Sedin Lucic Puljujarvi Sutter Boedker Baertschi Horvat Hansen Rodin Granlund Dorsett Gaunce Edler Tanev Hutton Tryamkin Hamhuis Yandle Biega Markstrom Miller Maybe $5 in cap space... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I can tell you thought this out, that's why it's one of the better proposals. Contracts and additions/subtractions look good. Boedker's deal is pretty pricey though.Not sure I would want him for 6 mil, let alone 6.5 mil. I guess it's matter of whether or not Yandle and Lucic want to sign here. I don't see Virtanen or McCann here. You have them going to juniors or being vaporized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I think Etem gets re-signed for sure... I think he will be a real good player for us... real good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I see Etem as no better than a good 3rd liner, but I also think we'll try to re-sign him. I also think the idea of Virtanen and McCann back to Utica for a year isn't a bad idea - but that really depends on how they do in the offseason and how they look in camp. Cap may not go up - we have to wait and see. Even if it doesn't though, you've allocated for that. I'm also not sure if buying out Burrows gives us the full cap hit back? I thought we have to assume some of it in his last contract year. I didn't realize Boedker was a UFA. That guy has some talent. I'm not going to verify your math, but have done a similar exercise and it looks fairly similar to what I've calculated myself. I think if nothing else, laying out a potential scenario such as this shows that this team could get far better, far faster than people expect. If the young guys manage to progress as hoped/expected, and the UFAs manage to find chemistry, I could see a team like this not only making the playoffs but actually competing for the cup. I think that there is a solid mix of speed, toughness, size, and skill here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Nazzy91 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Nice proposal, but I have one word for you... STAMKOS lol in reality though I agree with most of these points... Etem will resign, not sure if Burrows will be bought out. Hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I'd like to see Etem resigned. The kid still has pretty high upside. It's a low risk signing with potentially high reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleShield Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Why are you signing a 3rd pairing Dman for 6.5mil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I think if you sign Lucic that you want Virtanen on the squad to learn from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggy Bank Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Blue Jay 22 said: I don't see Virtanen or McCann here. You have them going to juniors or being vaporized? 1 hour ago, kloubek said: I also think the idea of Virtanen and McCann back to Utica for a year isn't a bad idea - but that really depends on how they do in the offseason and how they look in camp. Not vaporized, by my initial thought would be Utica. Play top line minutes to help speed their progress. Furthermore, with a good summer and a good camp, they could definitely stay in the line up and boot out Granlund or Hansen - pushing Horvat to 2C, Sutter to 3RW, and McCann to 3C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 you believe you can make burrows and higgins and their combined 7 million cap hit disappear with no salary retention at all?? well please do explain how .. mr magician.. i am so curious where did they and their contracts go to ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 ^ above. If they aren't takers for Burrows and Higgins - they would need to be bough out and that's a 3.33M cap hit combined. (btw total of 1st column is 17M and not 18M). I doubt Lucic signs for 6.5M - his current salary is 6.5M (cap hit of 6M) and he is likely looking for a raise. Btw using up all the cap space doesn't allow to call up players in case of injuries (only LTIR allows to exceed the cap within given limits). Also players that leave need to be replaced - for example need to add the cap hit of Rodin, etc. In one year the only notable contract coming off the books is Miller (given that by your scenario Burrows and Higgins are gone) but he'll need to be replaced and Markstrom, Hutton and Horvat as well as Tryamkin, Gaunce and Rodin will need new contracts so you might want to leave some cap room for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 ^ Too many UFAs, we have cap space but honestly that cap is going to tie up the young players to desearving contracts not to overpay on multiple UFAs with higher term... Boedker I figured would resign, mainly because they traded him at the deadline to likely be more than a rental player... He'd be interesting to get though, super fast, and good skill but maybe we don't want a LW top 6 UFA ? Reason I say that is because we are grooming Baertschi for that role and he's already shown improvement in that he will fit that role... for RW our best forward is Yannik Hansen and that's because he's on the Sedin line... Clearly if there is an option to fit a LW and RW UFA while keeping cap flexibility in the future then go for it. I'm hoping Cagguila will sign with the Canucks, kids like a grittier Shinkaruk lol. Seems to be a spot for him as a 3rd line LW but probably better if he was willing to goto the AHL first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, goblix said: ^ Too many UFAs, we have cap space but honestly that cap is going to tie up the young players to desearving contracts not to overpay on multiple UFAs with higher term... Boedker I figured would resign, mainly because they traded him at the deadline to likely be more than a rental player... He'd be interesting to get though, super fast, and good skill but maybe we don't want a LW top 6 UFA ? Reason I say that is because we are grooming Baertschi for that role and he's already shown improvement in that he will fit that role... for RW our best forward is Yannik Hansen and that's because he's on the Sedin line... Clearly if there is an option to fit a LW and RW UFA while keeping cap flexibility in the future then go for it. I'm hoping Cagguila will sign with the Canucks, kids like a grittier Shinkaruk lol. Seems to be a spot for him as a 3rd line LW but probably better if he was willing to goto the AHL first. Didn't Bodker just beat Bo for the minus award? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Didn't Bodker just beat Bo for the minus award? think so... lol but w/e Horvat is a defensive forward and didnt do good... while it doesnt bode well its not the end of the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 The no brainers who they're going to shed are: Vrbata, Higgins, Prust, Weber and probably Bartkowski. My point being that at the presser today, they said that they are going to want to add mid level (aged) players in the 24-28 year old range (when pressed later, Benning said that a 30 year old who was a good fit would qualify) So without naming names and sparking a debate there is certainly room for players like the OP is suggesting. Given the numbers who are on their way out, adding 2 or 3 is probably a given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedintwinpowersactivate Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I think Stamkos is the best and only UFA fit unless we land Matthews. Whether or not we could land him is another story. A 35-45 goal scoring 1st line 26 year old centreman. Sedins on the 2nd line. Yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 My take on our roster once ND season ends next year (in time for playoffs). Offer Boeser a spot to burn year of his contract to entice him to sign. Sedin. Sedin. Eriksen Baerschi. Horvat. Puljujarvi Rodin. Sutter. Boeser Dorsett. Granlund Virtanen Trade: Vey/Hansen Depth: Burrows/Etem/Grenier/Gaunce Utica: McCann Edler. Tanev Hutton. Tryamkin Hamhuis. Larsen Trade/Waive: Bartkowski/Weber Depth: Sbisa/Pedan/Biega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggy Bank Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Tubby said: My take on our roster once ND season ends next year (in time for playoffs). Offer Boeser a spot to burn year of his contract to entice him to sign. Sedin. Sedin. Eriksen Baerschi. Horvat. Puljujarvi Rodin. Sutter. Boeser Dorsett. Granlund Virtanen Trade: Vey/Hansen Depth: Burrows/Etem/Grenier/Gaunce Utica: McCann Edler. Tanev Hutton. Tryamkin Hamhuis. Larsen Trade/Waive: Bartkowski Depth: Sbisa/Pedan/Biega I don't think this team reachs the cap floor. There would be 8 ELC's + Gaunce Grenier Etem and Pedan's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNuck Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Let's be careful not to Schneider/Luongo this team and its home grown talent again. Remember when we drafted Schneider, told him he was the long term solution the team was looking for, then went out and got Lu, and then signed him for millions of dollars for millions of years? So IMHO, I don't think we should repeat history. If we go sign Lucic and Boedker or Eriksson (and they will want big bucks over many years) what message are we sending to Jake, McCann and Boesser? I for one was up for signing Lucic, but now that I think about it we already have Lucic in the form of Virt. So let's stick with Virt, battle it out for 1 more year, and reward our home grown talent with nice longer term bridge contracts (ie/ 4 yrs at 3mil instead of 2 yrs at 2 mil). I think this will be the formula for quick recovery...some of our core players at lower dollar bridge contracts will open up some cash for UFA's or TD day pickups that will let us go on a run for 2 or 3 years (instead of a 1 and done scenario). Let's just fill the holes that we have in our system now. We need a 2C that will be a future 1C (again - broken record - Johansen, Turris, RNH). And of course we still need a PMD (Top2 / PPQB) such as Yandle or Goligoski (or even toss a O/S at Barrie?). There is a great crop of UFA's this year, and if we were in better shape long term I'd say grab a couple of them. But we're not. We would end up signing a couple of them, tie up 12mil in space for long term contracts, and end up losing Jake, Bo, Demko, Boesser or McCann because we won't have the space to sign them. If Eriksson will come here for 2 yrs at 6mil, I'd be all in. But I believe that the 3 top forward UFA's (Lucic, Boedker and Loui) are gonna want 5yr deals min. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 We don't have many spots set in stone for next year: Sedin - Sedin - Hansen Baertschi - Horvat - _____ ______ - Sutter - Rodin ______ - ______ - Dorsett Thats 4 open spots for Etem, Granlund, Gaunce, McCann, Virtanen, Grenier, Burrows, Vey, Zalewski and Friesen should all be fighting for. That's quite the scrap. I think Virtanen should stay in the NHL and continue to learn the way of being a power forward at the NHL level. Other than that it seems pretty wide open. On on defense we have a similar situation: Edler - Tanev Hutton - ______ Sbisa - ______ _____ - Biega _____ - _____ We have Tryamkin, Pedan, Larsen who should fit in somewhere on the depth chart, with Larsen likely being on the bottom pair. That leaves the #9 and #10 spots open. We should not spend a lot of money at all to fill those two spots. When the dust settles, this is what I think the lineup could look like next year: Sedin - Sedin - Hansen Baertschi - Horvat - Virtanen Granlund - Sutter - Rodin Etem - Gaunce - Dorsett Burrows Edler - Tanev Hutton - Tryamkin Sbisa - Larsen Pedan, Biega Miller Markstrom Up front, I think that gives us a pretty good mix on all 4 lines. Moving Granlund to LW gives Rodin a playmaker to help him out. LW may be where Granlund ends up long term. Gaunce locks up the 4C spot. U don't think it's ideal to have Tryamkin play top-4 mintues next year, but I don't think it will hurt his development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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