Lui's Knob Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 There's been a bit of smoke with Dreger/Freidman speculating the Canucks could add some support for TL and JB at the hockey operations and managing the team (Benning focus more on scouting; Linden on team operations; someone to do the contracts/trades/pro scouting/interviews?). Recent news in the local paper promoting De Bonis to COO of Aquilini Group also fueled speculation as well. Makes you kind of wonder what Weisbrod (AGM) even does if they need someone else to help Benning and Co.... While it's still a rumor/speculation, it poses an interesting thread to start the offseason... Who's out there: Marc Crawford - would he want to come back in a promoted role? Dale Tallon - he was rumored and would be an org fit, but it's doubtful he'd come Markus Naslund - GM in Sweden (was rumored for a role when Linden took the job) Don Maloney - he'd be my pick; he's a guy who has never had much to work from in Arizona, well respected (and wasn't he a former agent?) George McPhee - other than being in this market before, I cannot quite understand WHY they'd want him after his big gaffe with the Erat deal Gillis Other??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Moody Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Of all the flack Benning and co get for player signings, trades, etc, this was, IMO, the worst move they've made to date. Every other move/signing could have some sort of argument or atleast "I guess I see what they're going for" moment. Letting Gilman go was just.. ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, Hank Moody said: Of all the flack Benning and co get for player signings, trades, etc, this was, IMO, the worst move they've made to date. It wasn't a bad move, and I'll expand on it when I get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Moody Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: It wasn't a bad move, and I'll expand on it when I get home. Will wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 10 minutes ago, Hank Moody said: Of all the flack Benning and co get for player signings, trades, etc, this was, IMO, the worst move they've made to date. Every other move/signing could have some sort of argument or atleast "I guess I see what they're going for" moment. Letting Gilman go was just.. ugh. I see Gilman getting the ARZ gig. Yes, a stupid way to let him go, especially since his role was more with the cap/contracts, this doesn't necessarily oppose anything JB was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Moody Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 11 minutes ago, Ossi Vaananen said: I see Gilman getting the ARZ gig. Yes, a stupid way to let him go, especially since his role was more with the cap/contracts, this doesn't necessarily oppose anything JB was doing. That's exactly what i'm saying. He was in charge of things that had no bearing on what Benning does everyday. You fire a guy who's managed our cap throughout two president's trophy wins, 5? division titles and one SCF appearance without so much as having to trade away a single player solely for cap reasons (like Chicago and LA have had to do), and put who in charge? The guy who caused the Flames to have to play with less men on their roster at the end of the season because of cap mismanagement and also didn't understand how to Offersheet players the right way (Weisbrod) It was just a horrible, horrible move IMO. I am in no way a blind Benning hater, I like some of his moves and I am one of the guys giving him time to execute his plan. I do think that we, however, need a guy like Maloney up there, if only to be a sober second thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Don Maloney would be wise to bring in. Always seems to get a good return for his players in trades for the most part. And the team was always cap strapped when he was there. Promote Benning to some Vice president under Linden as well as head scout/assistant GM. Bring in a GM to help with our contract signings and trades, would be a smart move. Rumours of Mcphee though, I dont think that would be really helping us would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 4 minutes ago, Yotes said: Don Maloney would be wise to bring in. Always seems to get a good return for his players in trades for the most part. And the team was always cap strapped when he was there. Promote Benning to some Vice president under Linden as well as head scout/assistant GM. Bring in a GM to help with our contract signings and trades, would be a smart move. Rumours of Mcphee though, I dont think that would be really helping us would it? They would be hiring an assistant GM to assist Benning, not take his job. Maloney would be a good choice if he doesn't get offered a GM position somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 24 minutes ago, Hank Moody said: Will wait! Okay, so sure, Gilman was a cap mastermind. But part of that was giving NTCs out like candy, and that's what Benning had to clean up when his regime started - as well as the fact that Benning wanted a younger, more liquid (contract-wise)team. We'll call it the Gilman factor if you guys want - and it happened with Shinkaruk - where we have a skilled guy that Benning and Linden don't know will do well for where they want to take the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 8 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: Okay, so sure, Gilman was a cap mastermind. But part of that was giving NTCs out like candy, and that's what Benning had to clean up when his regime started - as well as the fact that Benning wanted a younger, more liquid (contract-wise)team. We'll call it the Gilman factor if you guys want - and it happened with Shinkaruk - where we have a skilled guy that Benning and Linden don't know will do well for where they want to take the organization. Little difference to "giving out NTC's like candy" to giving players untradable contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Just now, TimberWolf said: Little difference to "giving out NTC's like candy" to giving players untradable contracts. If it's Edler we're dealing with it's practically the same thing. EDIT: Sbisa and Sutter and Dorsett aren't untradeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Moody Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: If it's Edler we're dealing with it's practically the same thing. EDIT: Sbisa and Sutter and Dorsett aren't untradeable. IMHO, I'd prefer Sbisa and Dorsett have LNTC or whatever in order to not have to pay them 3.2 mill (if that's what it took Gilman to get discounts). That's just my personal opinion, but there are obviously pros and cons to both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 16 minutes ago, DeNiro said: They would be hiring an assistant GM to assist Benning, not take his job. Maloney would be a good choice if he doesn't get offered a GM position somewhere else. AGM is fine then imo. Arizona is only team to have fired a management position. Not sure what other teams could be looking to do the same Maloney AGM- Does heavy lifting on trades and contract negotiations, stays with the team mroe while Benning can freely go roam the continent for prospects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Bring in Maloney and Crow, but ensure that Green has a job here as well to end next season when we inevitably miss the playoffs. Honestly, I look at Maloney as the Trotz of GMs, few Gms did more with what they had in an endless losing situation than what maloney managed in Arizona with all of its issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 9 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: Okay, so sure, Gilman was a cap mastermind. But part of that was giving NTCs out like candy, and that's what Benning had to clean up when his regime started - as well as the fact that Benning wanted a younger, more liquid (contract-wise)team. We'll call it the Gilman factor if you guys want - and it happened with Shinkaruk - where we have a skilled guy that Benning and Linden don't know will do well for where they want to take the organization. Gilman used NTCs as a way to stay under the cap with a Cup contending team though. It's not as if he'd be handing them out to a team filled with youngsters on ELCs since the situation is so different. He'd be easily able to recommend contracts that fit that flexible model. What is rumoured to have happened is Gilman disagreed with a number of contracts/moves Benning and Co. were making and they parted ways as a result. It's not because he was bad at contracts and gave out NTCs "like candy" - or else the NHL wouldn't have hired him just after and he wouldn't be rumoured for a promotion to GM for the Coyotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Moody Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Bring in Maloney and Crow, but ensure that Green has a job here as well to end next season when we inevitably miss the playoffs. Honestly, I look at Maloney as the Trotz of GMs, few Gms did more with what they had in an endless losing situation than what maloney managed in Arizona with all of its issues Completely agree. I think Maloney with the financing of a big club could do big damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 10 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: Okay, so sure, Gilman was a cap mastermind. But part of that was giving NTCs out like candy, and that's what Benning had to clean up when his regime started - as well as the fact that Benning wanted a younger, more liquid (contract-wise)team. We'll call it the Gilman factor if you guys want - and it happened with Shinkaruk - where we have a skilled guy that Benning and Linden don't know will do well for where they want to take the organization. Like giving Vrbata, Miller and Sutter NTCs? Not to mention Gilman wasn't the GM. Like Hank Moody said earlier, we never had to give up a player to clear cap space with Gilman. I disagree with you, getting rid of Gilman was as bad as hiring Weisbrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 15 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: If it's Edler we're dealing with it's practically the same thing. EDIT: Sbisa and Sutter and Dorsett aren't untradeable. Maybe Sutter but the contract is risky but Sbisa and Dorsett? No team is taking on those terms for those dime a dozen players. Edit: Not to mention that Sutter has an NTC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Bring in Maloney and Crow, but ensure that Green has a job here as well to end next season when we inevitably miss the playoffs. Honestly, I look at Maloney as the Trotz of GMs, few Gms did more with what they had in an endless losing situation than what maloney managed in Arizona with all of its issues Our PP is stale, that falls on Gulutzen personnel aside, you need to shake things up when they arent working. We had many long stretches of not being able to convert on the PP. All while having our 2 best players albeit sometimes hurt out on the ice. Gully gone, Crow new assistant. Kinda like what Anaheim did in bringing in a head coach in Paul Maclean to be assistant under Boudreau. Crow is an offensive coach, let him tinker with the PP imo. Green, gets a lucrative offer to stay in Utica, he may opt for an nhl position though. Im sure there will be more openings for head coaching jobs, but there are some decent options out there with nhl experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 52 minutes ago, Lui's Knob said: There's been a bit of smoke with Dreger/Freidman speculating the Canucks could add some support for TL and JB at the hockey operations and managing the team (Benning focus more on scouting; Linden on team operations; someone to do the contracts/trades/pro scouting/interviews?). Recent news in the local paper promoting De Bonis to COO of Aquilini Group also fueled speculation as well. Makes you kind of wonder what Weisbrod (AGM) even does if they need someone else to help Benning and Co.... While it's still a rumor/speculation, it poses an interesting thread to start the offseason... Who's out there: Marc Crawford - would he want to come back in a promoted role? Dale Tallon - he was rumored and would be an org fit, but it's doubtful he'd come Markus Naslund - GM in Sweden (was rumored for a role when Linden took the job) Don Maloney - he'd be my pick; he's a guy who has never had much to work from in Arizona, well respected (and wasn't he a former agent?) George McPhee - other than being in this market before, I cannot quite understand WHY they'd want him after his big gaffe with the Erat deal Gillis Other??? I don't know a lot about Maloney other than what I've been reading and hearing on the radio lately. I hear he is not all that keen on analytics. I think we would be best served with the addition of a younger analytics type assistant. I would love to see Naslund back as well, but I'd pick Tallon if I could have any of them, I doubt he'd come unless it was for the top dog job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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