Boudrias Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Stech had a great tourney and good on him. Hope it gets him a solid contract. It strikes me that there is a little glossing over of Troy’s value to Vancouver. I followed his season in Detroit. Detroit is a rebuilding team and suffered ups and downs. Troy was a - 13 player and a healthy scratch a number of games. Any suggestion he was not given an opportunity in Vancouver is not fair. JB had to decide whether Stecher would be a player on a CUP contender in 2-3 years or whether his TOI could be better invested in other players. I think he made the right decision by moving on. Vancouver has to get much bigger on the back end and have to have more ppg off the back side. Stecher provided none of that. Anyone who argues Stecher couldn’t be worked physically is not being realistic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 It doesn't surprise me that Tony Stretcher had a great tournament and was relied on heavily by team Canada coaching staff. His game is suited well for the international ice surface and the style of international play. After his contract runs out in Det I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be able to secure another contract some where in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, -AJ- said: I'll be honest, while I'm not a Benning hater, it does kind of piss me off how often he and his team fail to even communicate with pending UFAs. Shouldn't be that hard to at least say something. Yep... everyone understands it is a business and there are cap considerations. Having guys who love the team leave pissed off is just bad. Players talk, players spend the summers skating with other players from other teams... having them pissed off trash talking our brass because of being disrespected hurts the prospects of signing other players and at a reasonable price. It isn't hard to say "Hey, we are in a huge cap crunch... we can't afford what you can probably get on the open market. Here is the neighbourhood for term and money we have for you... go poke around in free agency and see what is out there for you. If you can find a situation that is better for you, great thank you so much for your great contribution to the team and good luck with your new team. Circle back to us on July 1st before we have to make other decisions if you can't find a deal you like more than what we can afford... we would love to have you back." It seems like a no brainer really. Do you think Stecher moves to Detroit if have has a 3 year, $1.5 million per offer from the Canucks? If they Canucks just didn't want him even at that bargain basement price... that is just dumb. The guy played 30 minutes a night for a stretch and was still above water on his stats. He was probably our best defensive D man (because Tanev was only there part of each season), and he was clearly a leader who was put out in all the press conferences and media availability. The same tactic could have been used for Toffoli and Tanev. Here is the price we can afford... we need to know early July 1st if you want to come back at that price. Tanev probably moves on because "our" price probably doesn't come close to Calgary's. If we weren't offering Toffoli a $4 million x 4 year contract... that again is just crazy. Regardless, if the players did get better offers and moved on... they wouldn't have reason to be that upset with us because they made the choice. They can be annoyed that Virtanen got the money instead of them... but it isn't disrespectful on our part to our players. Edited June 7, 2021 by Provost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, Fanuck said: It doesn't surprise me that Tony Stretcher had a great tournament and was relied on heavily by team Canada coaching staff. His game is suited well for the international ice surface and the style of international play. After his contract runs out in Det I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be able to secure another contract some where in the league. 100% But for Troy he will likely be a guy who’s on rebuilding teams. On a top team I don’t see where he fits, unless he takes lesser money to be a guy who eats popcorn a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 53 minutes ago, Fanuck said: It doesn't surprise me that Tony Stretcher had a great tournament and was relied on heavily by team Canada coaching staff. His game is suited well for the international ice surface and the style of international play. After his contract runs out in Det I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be able to secure another contract some where in the league. If his contract is reasonable I don't see why Troy wouldn't stay in Detroit. Steve is going to build a great team there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 But we had to keep Benn and his 2+ million contract to secure that 5th round pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the harry Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 I've often wondered if he wouldn't be suitable as a 4th line wing. And whether Troy shouldn't be kept as a 13F who could fill in on both offense and defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Troy with D & D on his experiences in the Worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Don't know if this was already posted in this thread but they seem to like him in Det: https://octopusthrower.com/2021/06/07/detroit-red-wings-player-grades-final4/2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 What are the odds Stecher ends up being picked up in the expansion draft? I say pretty good… Detroit doesn’t have a ton to pick from so a cheap character veteran as. 6-8 or as someone they can flip to another team is a decent option for them. Would be nice for Stecher to be close to home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 30 minutes ago, Provost said: What are the odds Stecher ends up being picked up in the expansion draft? I say pretty good… Detroit doesn’t have a ton to pick from so a cheap character veteran as. 6-8 or as someone they can flip to another team is a decent option for them. Would be nice for Stecher to be close to home. This guy predicts they protect Tony Stretcher - his take, not mine: https://thehockeywriters.com/red-wings-seattle-expansion-draft-4/ Despite what a lot of people say on CDC he's done very well for the Wings and they like him there quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) 2 points and a plus 3 tonight against the Oilers in 17 minutes of play. Paired with Edler as a 2nd pairing... Nice job! They would still look nice as a 3rd pairing for Vancouver They and Tanev were our best shot suppressing D for a long span of time and we miss that. Edited May 9, 2022 by Provost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Provost said: 2 points and a plus 3 tonight against the Oilers in 17 minutes of play. Paired with Edler as a 2nd pairing... Nice job! They would still look nice as a 3rd pairing for Vancouver They and Tanev were our best shot suppressing D for a long span of time and we miss that. I wouldn't be upset if Allvin signed him for 850K. You will never get less than 100% effort from Troy, and he is a better player than Poolman or Hunt. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 6 hours ago, Curmudgeon said: I wouldn't be upset if Allvin signed him for 850K. You will never get less than 100% effort from Troy, and he is a better player than Poolman or Hunt. Stech had a really nice game playing along with Eagle. IMHO the reasons they were moved on hasn't changed. It isn't about the team that will be iced next fall but the one 3-4 years out. Signing Stech as 3RD is giving that TOI to someone who won't be on that team. The challenge for Allvin is to find a RD who solidifies the defense. Find a RD who will force Schenn back to 3RD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) On 5/9/2022 at 7:13 AM, Boudrias said: Stech had a really nice game playing along with Eagle. IMHO the reasons they were moved on hasn't changed. It isn't about the team that will be iced next fall but the one 3-4 years out. Signing Stech as 3RD is giving that TOI to someone who won't be on that team. The challenge for Allvin is to find a RD who solidifies the defense. Find a RD who will force Schenn back to 3RD. As Allvin said... not all players are going to be young. He said that they will be looking at older players "left over" a couple weeks into free agency that might be available for the right money and term. We don't have the blue chip young players to take those minutes. He also said a 1-2 seasons from now and not 3-4 years out. 3rd pairing D aren't where you focus your energy or dollars. Getting younger core players means top 4 guys, not depth fillers around them like Stecher would be. Depth players are where you can find a lot of value in veterans on low dollar short term contracts as they are getting pushed out by younger players. It should be Myers who gets replaced with a young top 4 RHD that complements Hughes. He had a decent season but he doesn't complement any of our LHD to make a good pairing. Assuming Rathbone is in the mix and doesn't get traded (which he may well be), all our LHD are offensive guys and not physical. That means the RD pretty much needs to be mostly defence first and hopefully with an edge. That is why Schenn is paired with Hughes, not because he is a top pairing D, but because he is the right complement. Stecher just turned 28 a couple weeks ago, he isn't exactly over the hill so a 1-2 year deal with a league minimum to $1.25 million range fits in the plan. He is great depth and tends to be a guy that always works his way up the lineup each season by earning the trust of the coaching staff. Barring some better options like finding TWO top 4 RHD, I would be very happy to have him back as he would cost the same as a #7 depth guy and also be upgrade on guys like Burroughs and Hunt. Stecher can play big minutes when called on due to injury, he is also excellent defensively so could complement OEL as a bandaid solution until we can draft or acquire a guy who can take over those minutes. It would free up OEL to actually play to his strengths as an offensive player. Assuming we can't fix an entire defence in one season, a reasonable stab at improving it could look like: Hughes - Carlo (or any similar higher end younger D we can get in a Miller trade or through other means OEL-Stecher Rathbone (or another bigger guy we can acquire)-Schenn Hunt-Burroughs With that you can actually have Hughes and Carlo as your primary PK pairing. Carlo is great defensively, and Hughes plays defence by having the puck on his stick all the time. Opposition would always have to be worried about him springing one of our forwards for a short handed attempt. OEL can play some more PP time so we have different power play looks rather than just the one main unit who plays 1:45 of each PP. That would leverage his skills more and make our team harder to coach against. It also means whoever his partner is would play fewer minutes as they wouldn't be getting that PP time. Rathbone may not be ready or just may not be a fit with what our team needs. A big, punishing, defensively oriented pairing to be PK specialists and shut down guys would be pretty nice for a coach to have in his back pocket. Pair Schenn with another similar player Edited May 10, 2022 by Provost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Another 2 point night by Troy from Richmond. Good for him, he is going a long way to get himself another NHL contract when things were looking tough. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/10/2022 at 2:13 AM, Boudrias said: Stech had a really nice game playing along with Eagle. IMHO the reasons they were moved on hasn't changed. It isn't about the team that will be iced next fall but the one 3-4 years out. Signing Stech as 3RD is giving that TOI to someone who won't be on that team. The challenge for Allvin is to find a RD who solidifies the defense. Find a RD who will force Schenn back to 3RD. Love seeing Stech and Eddy crushing the Oilers. But have to agree that bringing Stech back into our top 4 is not the way forward for VAN. If there is space in our bottom 4 then I would be happy to have Troy back on less than $1m AAV (but got to think that we already have plenty of bottom 4 options in Dermott, Rathbone, Burroughs, Juulsen, Keeper and perhaps even Myers or Schenn). Having watched a few games of Marino in the playoffs I am fairly convinced he would be a great fit here. He is on the smaller side but he doesn't play like it. He is elusive, fast, good puck handling, excellent positioning, great defensively and above all else...calm under pressure. He reminds me of Tanev the way he seems to have plenty of time in the D zone. Always seems to make the right play. I think he'd be an ideal partner for OEL. Would like to get a bigger (Schenn/Manson type) to pair with Hughes. Maybe something like this next season: OEL Marino Hughes Schenn Dermott Myers (Rathbone Burroughs) OEL Marino is the top pairing against opposition's top line and on PK1. OEL plays PP2. Hughes Schenn are second pairing 5v5. Hughes logs heaps of minutes on PP1. Schenn is a backup for PK duties, save his TOI for 5v5 with Hughes. Dermott Myers is third pairing 5v5 but are our PK2 pairing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 We let this guy walk so that we could replace him with Hamonic. Always remember that. Life under Benning. No survivors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I'm on the sign Stecher train, and have been ever since I realized he would be UFA this year, can provide reliable service from the right side, and can play up and down the lineup. You can disparage his size all you want, but he's a tireless worker with a keen hockey mind. Better than Hamonic, better than Poolman, better than Hunt, so why not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I wouldn't have a problem with it. But depends on what he wants on a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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