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Man who beheaded fellow bus passenger wins right to live on his own

 

It's quite evident that the Canadian justice system is a complete farce that has no interest in protecting the general public.

 

Only in Canada could allow a man who decapitated and partially consumed another INNOCENT human being, win (that verb disgusts me in this context) the right to live on his own.

 

This is an affront to the general public and truly shows that we have to look after ourselves, rather than holding out hope that the broken and pathetic justice system will help us in any way.

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Please remember that, while you may not agree with this decision, this man has been granted many, many, many unsupervised days from the psychiatric hospital in Selkirk for years. And before you say anything, the "unsupervised" is not unmonitored, as every day he is allowed leave, he is being monitored all the time.

 

Again, what he did was horrendous. No excuse whatsoever. He is mentally ill and we do not understand why this decision to let him live on his own was done. However, he has been given freedom to walk free for years already. The only difference now is that he won't be living in the hospital. However, he will continue to be monitored and meeting with doctors for the rest of his life.

 

May not agree with it, but don't think for a second that he is living on his own like you and me.

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I remember watching this on the news, and CANNOT believe this person would EVER be allowed again into the general population.  Of course these types of criminals, who commit such horrible acts, are not sane!  God! 

How much does one bullet cost? 

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17 minutes ago, Monty said:

Please remember that, while you may not agree with this decision, this man has been granted many, many, many unsupervised days from the psychiatric hospital in Selkirk for years. And before you say anything, the "unsupervised" is not unmonitored, as every day he is allowed leave, he is being monitored all the time.

 

Again, what he did was horrendous. No excuse whatsoever. He is mentally ill and we do not understand why this decision to let him live on his own was done. However, he has been given freedom to walk free for years already. The only difference now is that he won't be living in the hospital. However, he will continue to be monitored and meeting with doctors for the rest of his life.

 

May not agree with it, but don't think for a second that he is living on his own like you and me.

I will never understand why someone who did what he did is allowed to breathe, let alone enjoy life outside of incarceration.

 

Tim McLean's family lost their son, who was a decent young man to this monster, who was allowed to change his name as well.

 

How the Canadian justice system handled Will Baker/Vince Li's incarceration was deplorable. I don't give a tuppenay #*^! if he has mental illness. He decapitated and partially ate an innocent person! He has no place in society, in any measure. At all.

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It sucks that he has a severe mental illness, but in my opinion that is not a valid reason to justify allowing him back into the public.  When Vince Li decides he no longer needs his meds, what happens then?  I'm not saying lock him in the dungeon with chains on his hands and feet, but in my opinion, what is being allowed is quite literally the polar opposite of that.  This bothers me, but not as much as it likely bothers the family of Tim McLean.  This is a travesty of justice.

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3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I will never understand why someone who did what he did is allowed to breathe, let alone enjoy life outside of incarceration.

 

Tim McLean's family lost their son, who was a decent young man to this monster, who was allowed to change his name as well.

 

How the Canadian justice system handled Will Baker/Vince Li's incarceration was deplorable. I don't give a tuppenay #*^! if he has mental illness. He decapitated and partially ate an innocent person! He has no place in society, in any measure. At all.

Which is why these decisions are made way above your and my pay grade. We will never agree or understand such decisions.

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The problem with the legal system in Canada is that there are clearly too many people living in Canada who can't sit down and think about why something is being done. The reasoning that goes into NCRMD laws are too 'complex' for people (they really aren't all that complex) and therefore you get the types of posts you see here.

 

This has nothing to do with right wing/left wing, its about understanding causal nexus.

 

Take away the fact that this man had schizophrenia, and the offense would never have occurred. Take away the symptoms of his schizophrenia today and future offenses will not occur. 

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4 minutes ago, Chalky said:

It sucks that he has a severe mental illness, but in my opinion that is not a valid reason to justify allowing him back into the public.  When Vince Li decides he no longer needs his meds, what happens then?  I'm not saying lock him in the dungeon with chains on his hands and feet, but in my opinion, what is being allowed is quite literally the polar opposite of that.  This bothers me, but not as much as it likely bothers the family of Tim McLean.  This is a travesty of justice.

He won't be released to the public without continued interactions with his clinician. Failure to continue to use meds will result in his privileges being rightfully removed.

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16 minutes ago, TimberWolf said:

He's already proven he's too dangerous to be around others unsupervised.

 

May not seem fair but better we err on the side of caution and leave him institutionalized for life instead of risking another innocent death.

So should we just proactively institutionalize every person with a serious mental illness incase something horrific might happen down the road?

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1 minute ago, Chalky said:

It sucks that he has a severe mental illness, but in my opinion that is not a valid reason to justify allowing him back into the public.  When Vince Li decides he no longer needs his meds, what happens then?  I'm not saying lock him in the dungeon with chains on his hands and feet, but in my opinion, what is being allowed is quite literally the polar opposite of that.  This bothers me, but not as much as it likely bothers the family of Tim McLean.  This is a travesty of justice.

I know quite a few people who have mental illnesses ranging from dysthymia to psychosis. They are at the behest of a broken health system as well in this country. They wait for months to see specialists, endure much of their pain on their own, and struggle mightily, but not one of them ever did what this "person" did. They may have moments or episodes as they are commonly referred to, but they manage to maintain, as hard as that can be.

 

I support those who suffer through what is sometimes the hardest struggle, the internal one that no one else can help, but when a mentally sick individual's struggles not only becomes external, but violent and murderous, they lose their right to live anywhere near the public.....at least in most countries, they do.

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2 minutes ago, Down by the River said:

So should we just proactively institutionalize every person with a serious mental illness incase something horrific might happen down the road?

No, just the ones who actually murdered and partially consumed would be fine.

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Just now, PhillipBlunt said:

I know quite a few people who have mental illnesses ranging from dysthymia to psychosis. They are at the behest of a broken health system as well in this country. They wait for months to see specialists, endure much of their pain on their own, and struggle mightily, but not one of them ever did what this "person" did. They may have moments or episodes as they are commonly referred to, but they manage to maintain, as hard as that can be.

 

I support those who suffer through what is sometimes the hardest struggle, the internal one that no one else can help, but when a mentally sick individual's struggles not only becomes external, but violent and murderous, they lose their right to live anywhere near the public.....at least in most countries, they do.

Again this is completely inaccurate. All Western Industrialized Nations have some form of NCRMD law. 

 

Again, the only reason Vince Li did what he did was because of untreated symptoms of mental illness. Through treatment, he is able to function just as well as your or I. 

 

Do you think that you would be able and willing to take a few pills a day to help ensure that you never murdered someone, were never re-institutionalized or incarcerated? I bet you'd be capable and motivated to do this. 

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7 minutes ago, Down by the River said:

So should we just proactively institutionalize every person with a serious mental illness incase something horrific might happen down the road?

 

 

No, we just do it to the ones that have already done something horrific. As I said, he's already proven he's dangerous.

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7 minutes ago, Down by the River said:

The problem with the legal system in Canada is that there are clearly too many people living in Canada who can't sit down and think about why something is being done. The reasoning that goes into NCRMD laws are too 'complex' for people (they really aren't all that complex) and therefore you get the types of posts you see here.

 

This has nothing to do with right wing/left wing, its about understanding causal nexus.

 

Take away the fact that this man had schizophrenia, and the offense would never have occurred. Take away the symptoms of his schizophrenia today and future offenses will not occur. 

And what about the victim and his family? I understand that you want to concentrate on Vince Li, the victim, but not addressing that fact that he violently took someone else's life is all too convenient.

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4 minutes ago, Down by the River said:

He won't be released to the public without continued interactions with his clinician. Failure to continue to use meds will result in his privileges being rightfully removed.

My worst case scenario mentality leads to the.....worst case scenario.  I have been following this for a while, I have an extremely mentally ill family member who is totally ignored by the system despite a long history with the law.  The system is broken and I have no faith that this won't happen with Vince Li.  Vince Li did something terrible, life's not fair, even less for Tim McLean's family than Vince Li.

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2 minutes ago, Down by the River said:

Again this is completely inaccurate. All Western Industrialized Nations have some form of NCRMD law. 

 

Again, the only reason Vince Li did what he did was because of untreated symptoms of mental illness. Through treatment, he is able to function just as well as your or I. 

 

Do you think that you would be able and willing to take a few pills a day to help ensure that you never murdered someone, were never re-institutionalized or incarcerated? I bet you'd be capable and motivated to do this. 

And do you think if you were related to Tim McLean, you wouldn't seek Vince Li's complete incarceration?

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