Pope France says trans children need to accept their bodies; says sex ed ‘promotes narcissism’

[Red Light Racicot]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2016/04/pope-france-says-trans-children-need-to-accept-their-bodies-says-sex-ed-promotes-narcissism/

 

 

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During Pope Francis’ report on “the family” in which he said that same-sex couples are not legitimate families, he also went on to disparage transgender men and women, as well as children, and said that safe-sex education “promotes narcissism."

 

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“Frequently, sex education deals primarily with ‘protection’ through the practice of ‘safe sex’
“Such expressions convey a negative attitude towards the natural procreative finality of sexuality, as if an eventual child were an enemy to be protected against.
“This way of thinking promotes narcissism and aggressively in place of acceptance. It is always irresponsible to invite adolescents to toy with their bodies and their desires, as if they possessed the maturity, values, mutual commitment and goals proper to marriage.”

 

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His solution is that sex-education should focus on “modesty” and then added that schools should teach children to “respect and appreciation for differences. Unless, of course, you are transgender. He went on to write that:

 

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“The young need to be helped to accept their own body as it was created, for thinking that we enjoy absolute power over our own bodies turns, often subtly, into thinking that we enjoy absolute power over creation.
“An appreciation of our body as male or female is also necessary for our own self-awareness in an encounter with others different from ourselves. In this way we can joyfully accept the specific gifts of another man or woman, the work of God the Creator, and find mutual enrichment.”
He continued, “Only by losing the fear of being different, can we be freed of self-centredness and self-absorption.”
“Sex education should help young people to accept their own bodies and to avoid the pretension to cancel out sexual difference because one no longer knows how to deal with it”.

 

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This is the man liberals are praising for being so open-minded and revolutionary. Yes, he may say very nice things about poverty while living in a house of gold, and may have put together a council to address the church’s rampant child sexual abuse, a council that has done absolutely nothing, but he has continued to be the same Catholic bigot as all of his predecessors.

 

I resent how Francis became popular for no good reason; a lot of people were duped into thinking he was something he isn't, and never was.

[butters]

he's never been fully liberal. For every comment liberals like he's had one that they didn't. He's still a leg up better than the last one.

[thejazz97]

"Pope France" 

 

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said that safe-sex education “promotes narcissism."

Technically, yeah... it does. It's not bad to teach it though.

 

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Only by losing the fear of being different, can we be freed of self-centredness and self-absorption

I want to say this is also true.

[Gurn]

The old guy with the tea cozy on his head says what? And why do people listen to a guy with a tea cozy on his head anyway?

[Chalky]

For me, sex has no procreative aspect, so I treat like a fun activity I enjoy.  Oddly I find myself agreeing with the Pope (odd that I agree with him, not on the issue specifically) on the whole accepting your body thing.  I'm not opposed to surgical solutions, but I find the happiest Trans folk I know are the ones who identify as a gender and act and dress accordingly.  I think surgical solutions can bring on a whole host of both physical and mental ramifications.  It should be a serious soul searched decision. It should definitely be an option though.  I am not religious in any way at all, but I try to maintain my lifelong East Van mentality and not judge anything too harshly, including Churchies and Trans folk.

[Master 112]

This is not a meaningful topic for the papacy and it's shameful that its influence is being exercized in this way.

[taxi]

1 hour ago, Red Light Racicot said:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2016/04/pope-france-says-trans-children-need-to-accept-their-bodies-says-sex-ed-promotes-narcissism/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I resent how Francis became popular for no good reason; a lot of people were duped into thinking he was something he isn't, and never was.

No pope is "liberal". Francis came out with a bunch of double talk about gays, and people were using it as an excuse to promote him. Stuff like gays aren't bad...as long as they never act on their sexuality in their lives and pretend to be straight, otherwise it's hell.

[Blue Jay 22]

I mean.....I have no problem with what he said.

 

and said that safe-sex education “promotes narcissism." - It's kinda true, lol. That doesn't mean it is a bad thing.

 

“Frequently, sex education deals primarily with ‘protection’ through the practice of ‘safe sex’
“Such expressions convey a negative attitude towards the natural procreative finality of sexuality, as if an eventual child were an enemy to be protected against.
“This way of thinking promotes narcissism and aggressively in place of acceptance. It is always irresponsible to invite adolescents to toy with their bodies and their desires, as if they possessed the maturity, values, mutual commitment and goals proper to marriage.”

 

You know what? Good for the Pope. If you have a problem with what he said, then to each his own, but I absolutely agree about the religious aspect and transgenders.

[ReggieBush]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

The old guy with the tea cozy on his head says what? And why do people listen to a guy with a tea cozy on his head anyway?

Because he is the leader of the most influential religion in the world.

[Neversummer]

34 minutes ago, Blue Jay 22 said:

I mean.....I have no problem with what he said.

 

and said that safe-sex education “promotes narcissism." - It's kinda true, lol. That doesn't mean it is a bad thing.

 

“Frequently, sex education deals primarily with ‘protection’ through the practice of ‘safe sex’
“Such expressions convey a negative attitude towards the natural procreative finality of sexuality, as if an eventual child were an enemy to be protected against.
“This way of thinking promotes narcissism and aggressively in place of acceptance. It is always irresponsible to invite adolescents to toy with their bodies and their desires, as if they possessed the maturity, values, mutual commitment and goals proper to marriage.”

 

You know what? Good for the Pope. If you have a problem with what he said, then to each his own, but I absolutely agree about the religious aspect and transgenders.

+1 ... the Pope didn't get there because he is stupid, he is more educated than 99.9% of the people on this board and has given something like this far more thought than most.  Just stop and read what he said and you will realize the wisdom of it.  Our present sexual hook up culture, imitate porn stars, experimentation, bang as many as you can, do whatever you want no matter how old you are ... this sexual ethic has miserably failed.  

 

[taxi]

10 minutes ago, Blue Jay 22 said:

I mean.....I have no problem with what he said.

 

and said that safe-sex education “promotes narcissism." - It's kinda true, lol. That doesn't mean it is a bad thing.

 

“Frequently, sex education deals primarily with ‘protection’ through the practice of ‘safe sex’
“Such expressions convey a negative attitude towards the natural procreative finality of sexuality, as if an eventual child were an enemy to be protected against.
“This way of thinking promotes narcissism and aggressively in place of acceptance. It is always irresponsible to invite adolescents to toy with their bodies and their desires, as if they possessed the maturity, values, mutual commitment and goals proper to marriage.”

 

You know what? Good for the Pope. If you have a problem with what he said, then to each his own, but I absolutely agree about the religious aspect and transgenders.

Well you can either pretend that people will be celibate until marriage....or deal with reality and teach people about safe sex.

[Gurn]

24 minutes ago, ReggieBush said:

Because he is the leader of the most influential religion in the world.

When did the Pope become Muslim?

[cabinessence]

Does he not believe the world is 6000 years and man can dictate who becomes saints in the afterlife?

[Neversummer]

31 minutes ago, taxi said:

Well you can either pretend that people will be celibate until marriage....or deal with reality and teach people about safe sex.

Handing out condoms like 'candy on Halloween' is not exactly responsible sexual education for 14-15 year old teens in high schools.  Guys want unprotected sex anyhow from porn stars.  Now girls know and we let them have Plan B over the counter whenever they want.  In a nutshell, that's about the extent of modern public school sex "education" folks.    

[hsedin33]

2 hours ago, Red Light Racicot said:

I resent how Francis became popular for no good reason; a lot of people were duped into thinking he was something he isn't, and never was.

People are allowed to have their own opinions of him. He has his own set of opinions and you are welcome to accept or not accept them, so no one is really being 'duped'. Remember he is a man of faith still, he believes in an all powerful being named 'god' that has a special realm in outer space named 'heaven' for people who appease him. I choose not to follow him or his teachings, although he does have some progressive thoughts about money in politics. I know in the end a religious person will always try to convert you, no matter how nice they seem to be.

[taxi]

29 minutes ago, Neversummer said:

Handing out condoms like 'candy on Halloween' is not exactly responsible sexual education for 14-15 year old teens in high schools.  Guys want unprotected sex anyhow from porn stars.  Now girls know and we let them have Plan B over the counter whenever they want.  In a nutshell, that's about the extent of modern public school sex "education" folks.    

It's quite embarrassing for young people to buy their own condoms. I don't think giving them access to them is "handing them out like candy". Also, young people may be engaged in sex, so it's important to face the reality of that situation and make sure that what they are doing is safe.

 

Every Sex Ed class always taught that condoms are not fool proof and abstinence is the best option. I don't see the issue.

[ReggieBush]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

When did the Pope become Muslim?

Over the course of history  catholicism is without doubt the most influential religion. Perhaps in this day and age it is Islam to due extremists. But ask a kid on the street who Mohammed is and they won't be able to tell you. Jesus on the other hand they would be able to. 

[Red Light Racicot]

5 hours ago, Blue Jay 22 said:

I mean.....I have no problem with what he said.

 

and said that safe-sex education “promotes narcissism." - It's kinda true, lol. That doesn't mean it is a bad thing.

 

“Frequently, sex education deals primarily with ‘protection’ through the practice of ‘safe sex’
“Such expressions convey a negative attitude towards the natural procreative finality of sexuality, as if an eventual child were an enemy to be protected against.
“This way of thinking promotes narcissism and aggressively in place of acceptance. It is always irresponsible to invite adolescents to toy with their bodies and their desires, as if they possessed the maturity, values, mutual commitment and goals proper to marriage.”

 

You know what? Good for the Pope. If you have a problem with what he said, then to each his own, but I absolutely agree about the religious aspect and transgenders.

 

His words may seem benign, but I need to point out the problem with all of this.

 

Rather, the extensive damage that results from people with this kind of mentality; this bizarro world where virgins are considered experts on sexual matters.

 

This kind of thinking resulted in the largely uninhibited spread of STDs in developing countries. I'm not sure to what extent they prevent people from getting protection today, but the Catholic Church has gone so far as to say condoms cause AIDS.

 

Women should be allowed to choose, and I figure that goes without saying, but Francis makes it quite clear he is against that too.

 

I've heard all of this before and that's the end game. That's what all of this leads to.

 

 

[Dral]

20 minutes ago, ReggieBush said:

Over the course of history  catholicism is without doubt the most influential religion. Perhaps in this day and age it is Islam to due extremists. But ask a kid on the street who Mohammed is and they won't be able to tell you. Jesus on the other hand they would be able to. 

Over the course of WESTERN history, maybe.... but world history?

 

Kid on the street also wont be able to tell you who invented Algebra either.... *hint* wasn't the Catholics...

[Stelar]

20 minutes ago, ReggieBush said:

Over the course of history  catholicism is without doubt the most influential religion. Perhaps in this day and age it is Islam to due extremists. But ask a kid on the street who Mohammed is and they won't be able to tell you. Jesus on the other hand they would be able to. 

Correct, Jesus has had a far better PR team over the years.  

 

Its pretty expected for for these comments to come from a religious leader. Catholic Church has done more to harm the youth they watch over than anything else.