[Proposal] Det-Van

[nuckerfan19]

To Vancouver 

Pavel Datsyuk

2nd round pick 2016

3rd round pick 2016 

 

To Detroit

Chris Higgins Retain 50%

 

If Datsyuk decide to leave this summer and Van wants to add picks at the draft I think we should target this contract.   It allows for us to trade Higgins so a younger player can make the team in his role.  (Allows Higgins to stay in NHL). Also gains us additional picks

 

Detroit does this as they move roughly a 6 million dollar cap hit off there books.  This allows them to go after players like Stammer or Yandle in free agency.  

 

Depending on whom management thinks they are able to target this maybe a better way to utilize our cap space.

 

First time poster so any pointers would be great .  

 

Thanks for reading

[Kaner]

Hello,  

 

Welcome to the CDC. 

 

In in my opinion, Detroit wouldn't touch this deal, and I get the idea that they wouldn't think twice. It's been said that the Red Wings will avoid moving his contract if he decides to leave. Even if they did move him, there would be teams lining up to get a 50pt player of his calibre. We definilty could not get 2 picks added. 

[DeltaSwede]

13 minutes ago, SwedeHockey said:

Hello,  

 

Welcome to the CDC. 

 

In in my opinion, Detroit wouldn't touch this deal, and I get the idea that they wouldn't think twice. It's been said that the Red Wings will avoid moving his contract if he decides to leave. Even if they did move him, there would be teams lining up to get a 50pt player of his calibre. We definilty could not get 2 picks added. 

The only teams lining up would be KHL teams.

 

Datsyuk is leaving the NHL. His contract won't come off the books in Detroit.

 

I actually like this trade if it works out financially. The Canucks are going to have a lot of cap space going unused. Not sure if ownership are willing to sacrifice that money for a player that won't be playing for the club however. Getting those draft picks could pay off, it's only a year left on his deal anyways so I would support a move like this. 

[Guest]

As Swede says, welcome to CDC!

 

The Wings have said they wouldn't trade Datsyuk so he would retire as a Red Wing. Also, Datsyuk has not officially decided to leave. Yet.

 

In terms of the trade you propose, Datsyuk's cap hit is $7.5m; retaining 50% of Higgins' salary would mean we'd be adding $8.25m of cap with zero players on the roster. That would preclude Benning from signing any UFAs this summer. If we were to do this, I would expect a minimum of a 1st round pick, plus a prospect like Mantha, Svechnikov or Turgeon. As the Wings can easily carry the $7.5m cap hit, there's no reason for them to make the trade and so this is a complete non-starter.

 

If you were to make a deal with Detroit, they'd likely consider trading Ericsson, Smith or Howard - however as I don't like any of those as options for the Canucks, I can't see any deal on the table that would make sense for both parties.

[Roger Neilsons Towel]

First off, Welcome to CDC. You're already ahead of most inexperienced posters because you managed to not only post an original thought, but you put it in the right category. Something actual moderators and wannabe moderators alike will appreciate. Posting things in the wrong section of CDC is by far the easiest way to get flamed around here. That and trolling obviously.

 

Now to your post. I don't see this as being realistic for the following reasons:

1.) Detroit has already come out and said that they will not pursue moving Datsyuk's contract.

2.) Even if they were to pursue it, there would be a long line of teams.

3.) Even if Vancouver was the team Detroit chose to deal with, I highly doubt they would throw in anything extra, let alone draft picks.

4.) I highly doubt Canucks ownership and Management would be behind this deal. The salary cap space is much more valuable.

[nuckerfan19]

Thank you for the welcome.  I must have missed that Detroit said they weren't trading him if he leaves this summer. . Guess it's back to the drawing board

 

[WhoseTruckWasIt]

15 minutes ago, Captain Woodget said:

As Swede says, welcome to CDC!

 

The Wings have said they wouldn't trade Datsyuk so he would retire as a Red Wing. Also, Datsyuk has not officially decided to leave. Yet.

 

In terms of the trade you propose, Datsyuk's cap hit is $7.5m; retaining 50% of Higgins' salary would mean we'd be adding $8.25m of cap with zero players on the roster. That would preclude Benning from signing any UFAs this summer. If we were to do this, I would expect a minimum of a 1st round pick, plus a prospect like Mantha, Svechnikov or Turgeon. As the Wings can easily carry the $7.5m cap hit, there's no reason for them to make the trade and so this is a complete non-starter.

 

If you were to make a deal with Detroit, they'd likely consider trading Ericsson, Smith or Howard - however as I don't like any of those as options for the Canucks, I can't see any deal on the table that would make sense for both parties.

I would tend to agree, but if it turns out that Detroit really thinks they can land Stamkos, they will have to clear some space.  I have no idea what Stammer and Meahan are thinking, but someone must.  There are other options to clear space, but I get the feeling that dealing Howard may not be one of them.

[jono2009]

1 hour ago, nuckerfan19 said:

To Vancouver 

Pavel Datsyuk

2nd round pick 2016

3rd round pick 2016 

 

To Detroit

Chris Higgins Retain 50%

 

If Datsyuk decide to leave this summer and Van wants to add picks at the draft I think we should target this contract.   It allows for us to trade Higgins so a younger player can make the team in his role.  (Allows Higgins to stay in NHL). Also gains us additional picks

 

Detroit does this as they move roughly a 6 million dollar cap hit off there books.  This allows them to go after players like Stammer or Yandle in free agency.  

 

Depending on whom management thinks they are able to target this maybe a better way to utilize our cap space.

 

First time poster so any pointers would be great .  

 

Thanks for reading

welcome to CDC but this proposal is simply atrocious. 

[nuckerfan19]

26 minutes ago, jono2009 said:

welcome to CDC but this proposal is simply atrocious.

I am inclined to disagree here is a posting on NHL.com saying what it would most likely take to move his contract

 

 

Craig Custance of ESPN: Three areas the Detroit Red Wings will focus on this offseason.
Settle the Pavel Datsyuk situation – If he leaves for Russia, the Red Wings will be stuck with his $7.5 million cap hit, and they’ll have to move it. It might cost them a second-round pick and/or a prospect.

 

 

I don't honestly know much or anything about Detroit prospects so I just substituted in a third round pick instead.

 

 

[nuckerfan19]

1 hour ago, Captain Woodget said:

As Swede says, welcome to CDC!

 

The Wings have said they wouldn't trade Datsyuk so he would retire as a Red Wing. Also, Datsyuk has not officially decided to leave. Yet.

 

In terms of the trade you propose, Datsyuk's cap hit is $7.5m; retaining 50% of Higgins' salary would mean we'd be adding $8.25m of cap with zero players on the roster. That would preclude Benning from signing any UFAs this summer. If we were to do this, I would expect a minimum of a 1st round pick, plus a prospect like Mantha, Svechnikov or Turgeon. As the Wings can easily carry the $7.5m cap hit, there's no reason for them to make the trade and so this is a complete non-starter.

 

If you were to make a deal with Detroit, they'd likely consider trading Ericsson, Smith or Howard - however as I don't like any of those as options for the Canucks, I can't see any deal on the table that would make sense for both parties.

Since Higgin's is already on our pay role we are not actually adding another 1.75 million we are subtracting the 1.75 million from the 7.5 million as that is coming off our current salary.  The reason i choose to send Higgin's the other way instead of say our 3 round pick or any draft pick is to still give us 1.75 million cap space instead of having the whole of Higgin's and Datsyuk's contract on.  I am against buying out Higgin's contract as it goes over two year instead of just being done at the end of next season.
 

[Toews]

It won't cost much to move Datsyuk. See Tim Thomas.

 

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8927270/tim-thomas-traded-boston-bruins-new-york-islanders

 

To add to this, there is no consequence for a team that doesn't spend to the cap to acquire Datsyuk. The Canucks are not one of those teams. The Canucks would ask for serious assets to take Datsyuk. A team like the Jackets/Coyotes/Jets/Sens would only ask for a mid round pick.

[nuckerfan19]

13 minutes ago, Toews said:

It won't cost much to move Datsyuk. See Tim Thomas.

 

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8927270/tim-thomas-traded-boston-bruins-new-york-islanders

 

To add to this, there is no consequence for a team that doesn't spend to the cap to acquire Datsyuk. The Canucks are not one of those teams. The Canucks would ask for serious assets to take Datsyuk. A team like the Jackets/Coyotes/Jets/Sens would only ask for a mid round pick.

Very good point and thank you for backing up your point with an article :).   However i think a team like the Jackets/Coyotes ect would be reluctant to pay that amount of money for a player that is not going to play for them at all.

 

[elvis15]

The one reason why this wouldn't work that no one's mentioned yet? Detroit doesn't have a 3rd this year. They traded it to the Devils for Zidlicky.

[qwijibo]

40 minutes ago, nuckerfan19 said:

Very good point and thank you for backing up your point with an article :).   However i think a team like the Jackets/Coyotes ect would be reluctant to pay that amount of money for a player that is not going to play for them at all.

 

They wouldn't be paying him. His cap hit would apply but they don't actually pay out any real money. 

[nuckerfan19]

Just now, qwijibo said:

They wouldn't be paying him. His cap hit would apply but they don't actually pay out any real money.

Ah yes right I was just reading the Tim Thomas article as this got posted.  
 

[Roger Neilsons Towel]

20 minutes ago, elvis15 said:

The one reason why this wouldn't work that no one's mentioned yet? Detroit doesn't have a 3rd this year. They traded it to the Devils for Zidlicky.

Good point.

[Aircool]

1 hour ago, nuckerfan19 said:

Ah yes right I was just reading the Tim Thomas article as this got posted.  
 

You really shouldn't need to read an article to understand, if he goes to the KHL and gets paid there, you don't have to pay him for his NHL contract because he isn't reporting for duty.

[nuckerfan19]

3 hours ago, Aircool said:

You really shouldn't need to read an article to understand, if he goes to the KHL and gets paid there, you don't have to pay him for his NHL contract because he isn't reporting for duty.

Think i was thinking of Cap hit instead of actually getting paid my mistake 
 

[tyhee]

While there are practical problems with this idea that others have pointed out, I like the idea behind the proposal.

 

Canucks rate to have some extra cap space this season (I haven't tried to estimate whether they'll have enough for this proposal.)  The next year they may have less as they'll have some cheap contracts expiring.  Both Higgins and Datsyuk have one year remaining on their contracts.  The timing is good.

 

Imo Benning's strength as a general manager appears to be scouting amateur players.  This proposal gets more draft picks, playing into his strength.

 

Of course, as others have pointed out, the Wings probably don't need to move Datsyuk's cap hit, don't have a 3rd round pick and might be able to make better use of the cap space they'd be giving up for this coming season.    But as I say, the idea of using the one year of available cap space to get some picks is appealing.  I'd rather see the Canucks do something of this nature, if the practicalities work out, than sign some 30 year old or someone in his late 20's who is a high priced free agent to a long contract.