Mass shooting in Ohio

[DefCon1]

21 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Another day, another mass shooting in the U.S.A.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ohio-shootings-1.3550189

 

Too bad the mom sleeping with her 4 day old infant wasn't packing...

seems like it always happens in houses that are located remotely outside of the city in some wooded area.

[literaphile]

14 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

It isn't even this particular incident that I'm trying to address. I understand that there are situations that would not have been prevented by stiffer regulation.

 

Rather, I use incidents like these to try and bring some awareness to people of the proliferation of firearms and how they cause so much misery to so many people. Criminals are always going to be able to get their guns and the gangland style Surrey shootings that Alf mentions will still happen.

 

However, the application of some common sense restrictions has the potential to save lives. A child doesn't find a loaded handgun and use it to kill himself, or someone else, because there is no gun. A person distraught over a break-up or personal bankruptcy doesn't shoot himself, because he doesn't happen to have a loaded gun in his nightstand. Kids who have been bullied at school can't go and shoot it up, because they can't purchase guns. And if they do happen to get ahold of weapons, they can't do as much damage, because ammunition clips have less bullets in them.

 

The reason I bring this up by posting this story is because the story is sensational enough to garner attention. Who would pay attention to a story about a kid showing up to school with his father's handgun for show and tell? The fact that a story has to be this dramatic for it to attract any attention at all should tell people how jaded Americans are when it comes to gun violence.

 

I wouldn't call them jaded. Rather, it's clear that Americans have just accepted mass shootings as a consequence of their "freedom to bear arms". Mass shootings like this one, Sandy Hook, etc. are the price that, apparently, the majority of Americans are willing to pay to live in a gun-crazy country.

[nucklehead]

7 minutes ago, literaphile said:

I wouldn't call them jaded. Rather, it's clear that Americans have just accepted mass shootings as a consequence of their "freedom to bear arms". Mass shootings like this one, Sandy Hook, etc. are the price that, apparently, the majority of Americans are willing to pay to live in a gun-crazy country.

I don't know how it can be interpreted any other way. If America can not collectively recognize that one innocent death is one too many, there's little the rest of the world can do for them.

[Ghostsof1915]

14 hours ago, Cowardrobertford said:

Maybe have a program at school teaching students or anyone that killing people is bad

Sad that it would have to come to that huh?

[literaphile]

1 hour ago, nucklehead said:

I don't know how it can be interpreted any other way. If America can not collectively recognize that one innocent death is one too many, there's little the rest of the world can do for them.

It's definitely a cultural thing. Guns are engrained into American culture and thus, for gun advocates, the good outweighs the bad. The only way to change the culture is to take away the guns. Mass shootings won't stop overnight, but once a generation of Americans has been brought up without guns being a part of the American value system, then we'll see less gun violence. It's a gradual, but necessary, shift.

 

It's like cigarettes. When the anti-smoking agenda came in, people didn't stop smoking overnight. It took years for attitudes to change. The kids who first saw those anti-smoking ads are all grown up and, as a result, there's been a cultural shift from seeing cigarettes as cool to basically been ostracized for smoking.

[butters]

It would be nice if the anti gun crowd waited until the pro gun crowd had actually starting commenting before they started getting sanctimonious.

 

Also, 3D printing is most likely going to make the topic of gun control an archaic one.

[Xbox]

22 hours ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

We were due. It had been several months since we had heard about one.

Savage

[riffraff]

Once again,

 

glad im in small town Canada.

[Electro Rock]

1 hour ago, literaphile said:

It's definitely a cultural thing. Guns are engrained into American culture and thus, for gun advocates, the good outweighs the bad. The only way to change the culture is to take away the guns. Mass shootings won't stop overnight, but once a generation of Americans has been brought up without guns being a part of the American value system, then we'll see less gun violence. It's a gradual, but necessary, shift.

 

It's like cigarettes. When the anti-smoking agenda came in, people didn't stop smoking overnight. It took years for attitudes to change. The kids who first saw those anti-smoking ads are all grown up and, as a result, there's been a cultural shift from seeing cigarettes as cool to basically been ostracized for smoking.

Better to split their country (and ours) along socio-political lines;

 

As in those who want to live in a more traditional America, and those who want to live in the androgynous Orwellian state that progressives are pushing for.

 

That way everyone gets what they deserve.

[nucklehead]

1 hour ago, riffraff said:

Once again,

 

glad im in small town Canada.

La Loche, Sask says hi

[Toni Zamboni]

Ameriguns

[riffraff]

1 hour ago, nucklehead said:

La Loche, Sask says hi

That's true.

 

but rare and not so much a gun problem but many other deep rooted problems/issues connected to First Nations youth/towns.  

[Grapefruits]

Ohio Attorney General Mike DiWane confirmed that at three of the Ohio family murder scenes a marijuana grow-op was found.

[RUPERTKBD]

4 minutes ago, Grapefruits said:

Ohio Attorney General Mike DiWane confirmed that at three of the Ohio family murder scenes a marijuana grow-op was found.

Time to legalize....

 

It's okay to own guns, but not weed. #twistedpriorities

[Grapefruits]

19 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Time to legalize....

 

It's okay to own guns, but not weed. #twistedpriorities

Legalizing wont make grow ops go away. 

[RUPERTKBD]

Just now, Grapefruits said:

Legalizing wont make grow ops go away. 

Nope. But it will take the criminal element out of it.

[ForsbergTheGreat]

27 minutes ago, Grapefruits said:

Ohio Attorney General Mike DiWane confirmed that at three of the Ohio family murder scenes a marijuana grow-op was found.

I think it's safe to say that this issue has little to do with firearms and more to do with a drug rival.   But hey, banning guns or tighter gun restrictions would have prevented this because these criminals wouldn't have wanted to break the law but owning something that is illegal..

 

[Grapefruits]

37 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Nope. But it will take the criminal element out of it.

No, it wont.  Have you seen the prices of legal weed?  People will still go underground where it is cheaper. 

[DonLever]

2 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Nope. But it will take the criminal element out of it.

No, it won't.

 

http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/organized+crime+infiltrate+regime+internal+federal+paper+warns/11874182/story.html

 

OTTAWA - Legalizing marijuana won't automatically make Canada's black market for weed go up in smoke or banish organized crime, warns a draft federal discussion paper on regulation of the drug.

Justin Trudeau's Liberal government says a legal marijuana regime will keep pot out of the hands of children and deny criminals the profits of illicit dealing.

However, the December draft paper, obtained by The Canadian Press through the Access to Information Act, flags the ongoing involvement of organized crime — including possible infiltration of the new system — as a key issue the government must confront.

 

The Liberals plan to introduce legislation next year to remove marijuana consumption and incidental possession from the Criminal Code, and create new laws to more severely punish those who provide pot to minors or drive while under its influence.In the House of Commons, Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale recently said the new system would do a far better job of stopping the flow of shady money "to illegal gangs and organized crime."

The draft discussion paper outlines a more complex scenario.

"As the experiences of other jurisdictions and of the regulation of alcohol and tobacco in Canada have shown, regulating a substance does not automatically remove it from illicit markets as evidenced by importation and sales of contraband tobacco," the paper says.

"Given the degree to which organized crime is currently involved in the marijuana market, they could continue to produce marijuana illicitly and may attempt to infiltrate a regulated industry."

Canada's illegal market for marijuana is estimated to be worth billions of dollars and organized crime is known to play a major role in illicit production, importation and distribution, the paper says. That means those who obtain pot — with the exception of sanctioned medical users — are exposed to criminal elements.

 

[Electro Rock]

Real organized crime makes big money off all kinds of technically legal goods.

 

Like alcohol for example; There's a good chance that some of the booze you may have had at a restaurant or club recently was actually distilled and bottled in an underground operation overseen by folks who used to work at the legitimate producer. Smuggled gasoline is another big money maker.