J.I.A.H.N Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 If Vancouver wins the Lottery Arz trades 2016 #7 OA .................Best Defenseman available 2016 #37 OA................Best Defenseman available Domi Strome For Vancouvers 2016 1st OA 2016 63rd OA You don't win a cup with one Franchise player anymore than with a very solid team, and there is no guarantee Austin is anymore than a 2nd line player in the NHL...................is it worth the gamble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 So essentially: a 7th overall pick, an 8th overall pick, a 3rd overall pick and a 37th overall pick for 1st overall and 63rd overall? Talk about a punch to the balls of a rebuild. Arizona declines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Long story short, because I don't have the effort today. Hard "pass" from Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van 'Nuck Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Might as well give up our first for Crosby Malkin Letang and squeeze in Fleury if we can. -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losing With Pride Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Good luck with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 2 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: If Vancouver wins the Lottery Arz trades 2016 #7 OA .................Best Defenseman available 2016 #37 OA................Best Defenseman available Domi Strome For Vancouvers 2016 1st OA 2016 63rd OA You don't win a cup with one Franchise player anymore than with a very solid team, and there is no guarantee Austin is anymore than a 2nd line player in the NHL...................is it worth the gamble? Personally I feel Matthews could easily be another Stefan, but regardless even if he is as good as people are making him, that is a horrible horrible overpayment trade. Are you serious!??? I wouldn't trade D. Strome & Domi together alone for Matthews. Dylan Strome alone will probably be a 80-100 point player. Then you have Domi & the 7th overall in there?!!!? Domi alone has proven he's 'at least' a 60 point guy...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 3 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: If Vancouver wins the Lottery Arz trades 2016 #7 OA .................Best Defenseman available 2016 #37 OA................Best Defenseman available Domi Strome For Vancouvers 2016 1st OA 2016 63rd OA You don't win a cup with one Franchise player anymore than with a very solid team, and there is no guarantee Austin is anymore than a 2nd line player in the NHL...................is it worth the gamble? Close, but OEL needs to be in there with their first. Arizona needs Matthews. When will a home grown boy come along like this guy? We won't see and Arizona guy with this kind of hype in a century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 How about you take out the #37, domi and strome, add OEL and a mid Rd draft pick. #1, #63 for OEL, #7, mid Rd pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 24, 2016 Author Share Posted April 24, 2016 I am ok with the criticism on this one guys Domi Strome #7 OA for 1st OA Virtanen Any closer? Work with me guys! PLZ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: I am ok with the criticism on this one guys Domi Strome #7 OA for 1st OA Virtanen Any closer? Work with me guys! PLZ! There is word that Strome is kind of an RNH tweener centre. I really like Domi though. How's this? Matthews to Zona Their first+OEL+Domi. if they don't agree we draft Matthews and have Matthews and Horvat at our top two centre spots for 10 years. Hell, let's just draft Matthews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 All these Matthews for Ekman-Larsson proposals are extremely stupid. Arizona is making a huge mistake if they trade their best player & D-man that is near irreplaceable for an unproven center that they don't need. Just because he's from Arizona they therefore need him? Dylan Strome is their future No.1 C, they also have many No.2 C upside guys in C.Dvorak, H.Samuelsson, Gaudet, Merkley, R.MacInnis, & Bleackley. The Coyotes have a weak D prospect pool and no one who can replace OEL. They are far better off with him on their D rather than trading him for a potential future No.1/2 C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 24, 2016 Author Share Posted April 24, 2016 Just now, Alflives said: There is word that Strome is kind of an RNH tweener centre. I really like Domi though. How's this? Matthews to Zona Their first+OEL+Domi. if they don't agree we draft Matthews and have Matthews and Horvat at our top two centre spots for 10 years. Hell, let's just draft Matthews. Ultimately, Alf I am for just picking Mathews and being happy with the pick. I am just looking for the realistic alternative to that scenario, and as you can see, I really don't have the complete answer..... I don't think OEL is in the trade So I have tried to reach for the stars and take my punishment, and see if anyone else has a better idea Again, Ultimately........we keep Mathews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 1 minute ago, janisahockeynut said: Ultimately, Alf I am for just picking Mathews and being happy with the pick. I am just looking for the realistic alternative to that scenario, and as you can see, I really don't have the complete answer..... I don't think OEL is in the trade So I have tried to reach for the stars and take my punishment, and see if anyone else has a better idea Again, Ultimately........we keep Mathews I know. It's fun for me too. I really hope we win that lotto. I accept we will draft Matthews, but the boards will be great fun discussing trade rumors and proposals. What the heck are these boards for, if not fun? It's not like any of this has any real world value, does it? JB you reading this, or too busy playing with the simulator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 24, 2016 Author Share Posted April 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, Z Hockey said: All these Matthews for Ekman-Larsson proposals are extremely stupid. Arizona is making a huge mistake if they trade their best player & D-man that is near irreplaceable for an unproven center that they don't need. Just because he's from Arizona they therefore need him? Dylan Strome is their future No.1 C, they also have many No.2 C upside guys in C.Dvorak, H.Samuelsson, Gaudet, Merkley, R.MacInnis, & Bleackley. The Coyotes have a weak D prospect pool and no one who can replace OEL. They are far better off with him on their D rather than trading him for a potential future No.1/2 C. HI Z I think Alf and I know that, and I am fine with your answer, as it gets to the point where Arizona is But.................to think they would not pay dearly for him, is also crazy I would bet they would pay Strome and their 7th OA., which is admittedly a tab far away from my first proposal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 1 minute ago, janisahockeynut said: HI Z I think Alf and I know that, and I am fine with your answer, as it gets to the point where Arizona is But.................to think they would not pay dearly for him, is also crazy I would bet they would pay Strome and their 7th OA., which is admittedly a tab far away from my first proposal Coyotes would trade likely ONE of D.Strome or Hanzal, the 7th OA, and a C+ or B prospect or two. Domi & Duclair are the meat to the future of their top six and have already shown fantastic and consistent chemistry. D.Strome and Domi together alone is a crazy idea in a trade for 1st OA. They would pay a solid price for Matthews but would not pay "dearly" for him and gut their future. Would you trade... Horvat, Baertschi/Boeser/McCann, 7th OA, and a 2nd rounder for 1st OA? Probs not. Sorry but it's just ridiculous.... Besides I don't want Matthews, Horvat is our future No.1 and McCann has No.1 upside too, Ma.Granlund has No. 2 upside and even if none of those guys become a No.1. It's fine to have two (or three) centers who are all basically 2nd line centers. Chicago has basically roled like that for years with Toews/Bolland, Toews/B.Richards, Toews/Anisimov. Toews has never even scored 80 points and he's their No.1 C. I want Laine, he is the more smooth one over Puljujarvi and he's the No.1 prospect on my list. Draft Laine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Never going to happen in a million years... Arizona is going to win the lotto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 24, 2016 Author Share Posted April 24, 2016 19 minutes ago, Z Hockey said: Coyotes would trade likely ONE of D.Strome or Hanzal, the 7th OA, and a C+ or B prospect or two. Domi & Duclair are the meat to the future of their top six and have already shown fantastic and consistent chemistry. D.Strome and Domi together alone is a crazy idea in a trade for 1st OA. They would pay a solid price for Matthews but would not pay "dearly" for him and gut their future. Would you trade... Horvat, Baertschi/Boeser/McCann, 7th OA, and a 2nd rounder for 1st OA? Probs not. Sorry but it's just ridiculous.... Besides I don't want Matthews, Horvat is our future No.1 and McCann has No.1 upside too, Ma.Granlund has No. 2 upside and even if none of those guys become a No.1. It's fine to have two (or three) centers who are all basically 2nd line centers. Chicago has basically roled like that for years with Toews/Bolland, Toews/B.Richards, Toews/Anisimov. Toews has never even scored 80 points and he's their No.1 C. I want Laine, he is the more smooth one over Puljujarvi and he's the No.1 prospect on my list. Draft Laine. It's OK Z I do understand what you are saying and agree in some part I do however think you are underestimating Mathews Arizona connection.............Americans are way more patriotic then us Canadian's and will drive 5 hours to watch a high school football game........what they are looking for is the catch..........Mathew's is that. Look how many, and I am not saying they are right or wrong, love that Virtanen is from Vancouver, and he isn't in the same hemisphere as Mathews...........marketing alone would make a big difference for Arizona To think that he isn't a big deal there is naïve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 54 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: It's OK Z I do understand what you are saying and agree in some part I do however think you are underestimating Mathews Arizona connection.............Americans are way more patriotic then us Canadian's and will drive 5 hours to watch a high school football game........what they are looking for is the catch..........Mathew's is that. Look how many, and I am not saying they are right or wrong, love that Virtanen is from Vancouver, and he isn't in the same hemisphere as Mathews...........marketing alone would make a big difference for Arizona To think that he isn't a big deal there is naïve So risking 2/3 of your offensive future or your best player for an unproven center is a good idea because of a hometown connection??! This isn't about patriotism or wanting a hometown kid, this is smartly managing the future of your team. I'm not being naive. It does not matter if Matthews is from there, he's (still an unproven 1st overall pick). Be realistic... Vancouver had Virtanen fall into their lap, if we had a late first round pick we wouldn't have gone out and traded multiple good assets just to get a hometown guy. It's great yeah but that's not the reason we drafted him, watch the pre-2014 draft scouting meeting. Benning does not say something like "he's a hometown guy, we need to be loyal" he says... "He's got a powerful stride, he's mean & rugged, he'll get in on the forecheck, he's got a good release on his shot." So Coyotes fans are going to be happy if the team trades their captain and best player Ekman-Larsson, D.Strome, & 7th OA for an unproven center? Just because he's from there? No. Lets just hope we don't fall from 3rd overall before we go thinking we have 1st OA and should dangle it for packages Arizona isn't going to give up. Look at the 2014 draft as an example... The Canucks wanted Sam Reinhart at 1st overall, a hometown kid, but they didn't go and throw all their assets away to get him because he's from Vancouver... They offered a realistic package of Shinkaruk or Garrison, 6th OA, & 24 OA. Panthers declined so the Canucks backed away because anything more would have been too much to give up. They didn't throw more assets at Florida because they needed to be patriotic to a Canadian kid... And what happened? Sam went to an American team in Buffalo, and he's happy there. Same as Matthews said he'll be perfectly happy on a Canadian or American team. -Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numb3r 16 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I'll just stay here and pray that we get 1st and arizona gets second so we can trade for that second and get Laine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 On 4/23/2016 at 0:32 PM, Blue Jay 22 said: So essentially: a 7th overall pick, an 8th overall pick, a 3rd overall pick and a 37th overall pick for 1st overall and 63rd overall? Talk about a punch to the balls of a rebuild. Arizona declines. Definite massive nut shot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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