sockeye Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Trade down on draft Day. Trade Vancouver's 5th overall (likely Dubois) for Montreal's 9th overall pick (likely Juolevi) plus their 39th pick (2nd round) or, if they don't go for that - their 45th pick (2nd round). This would provide a good opportunity to upgrade our D and get another pick in the 2nd round. Our current D depth is on the weak side. Montreal gets a strong forward who is a local boy. We need more picks. For example, we currently have 6 picks and Calgary has 10 picks in the 2016 NHL Entry Draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Canadian Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 I would want a top 4 d instead of a mid second rounder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 I'd be fine with this. If the target is a Dman, one of Sergachev/Juolevi/Chychrun will still be there. If not, then one of Nylander, Tkachuk, Dubois will. Seems like everyone is happy with one of these guys. 1 minute ago, The Canadian said: I would want a top 4 d instead of a mid second rounder Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Actually pretty reasonable proposal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Canadian Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 9 minutes ago, Blue Jay 22 said: I'd be fine with this. If the target is a Dman, one of Sergachev/Juolevi/Chychrun will still be there. If not, then one of Nylander, Tkachuk, Dubois will. Seems like everyone is happy with one of these guys. Good luck with that. Whoops. Top 4 d PROSPECT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 This proposal should read: Vancouver: PK Subban MTL: 5th overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 31 minutes ago, The Canadian said: Whoops. Top 4 d PROSPECT Much better, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 28 minutes ago, SaintPatrick33 said: This proposal should read: Vancouver: PK Subban MTL: 5th overall Montreal declines. You would have to add some serious ++++ to get them to even think about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 we might have to throw in baby Subban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 I'd rather draft Chychrun or Sergachev with the 5th overall pick and have that guy as our future top-2 defenceman. Chychrun Hutton Tryamkin Sbisa That left side is solidifed for the next 5-10 years. Not the best defencemen in the league but a very good foundation all of a sudden. Throw Subban, Stetcher and Tanev on the right side and we've finally got something to build on. A couple of big name UFAs here and there and our defence is respectable again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 if we are trading the top 5 pick and moving to 9 (big drop off) I would want montreal's 39th and 45th. Otherwise, its just a 2nd round pick to move up to top 5 - a 2nd round pick gets you Roman Polak this year at the deadline - not a very steep price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockeye Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share Posted May 1, 2016 5 hours ago, Canucks Curse said: if we are trading the top 5 pick and moving to 9 (big drop off) I would want montreal's 39th and 45th. Otherwise, its just a 2nd round pick to move up to top 5 - a 2nd round pick gets you Roman Polak this year at the deadline - not a very steep price I think 3rd to 6th is a big drop off - not 5th to 9th in this draft. I doubt Montreal would be willing to give up both their 39th and 45th picks for the 5th pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, sockeye said: I think 3rd to 6th is a big drop off - not 5th to 9th in this draft. I doubt Montreal would be willing to give up both their 39th and 45th picks for the 5th pick. have you seen any draft rankings with tkachuk and dubois at 9? because that is the drop off, yeah a few rankings have nylander top 5 but that is the only wrinkle, I am just saying I would not drop 4 spots just for the 39th pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockeye Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share Posted May 1, 2016 10 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: have you seen any draft rankings with tkachuk and dubois at 9? because that is the drop off, yeah a few rankings have nylander top 5 but that is the only wrinkle, I am just saying I would not drop 4 spots just for the 39th pick The bottom line is we need a top D man more than we need Dubois in this draft. So, somehow we need to land Juolevi, Chychrun or Sergachev. If you look at the potential trading partners (with picks to trade to us) that would allow us to get one of those three D men (plus a second rounder), Montreal's spot (at 9th) looks to be the best bet. Arizona and Buffalo would be the next best trading partners. Now that we know we aren't going to land any of the top three in this draft, we need more picks in the worst way (Calgary has 10 picks, Buffalo has 12 picks and we have 7 picks). I thought we had 6 picks but the following web site shows us as having 7 picks: http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/vancouver/68/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 14 minutes ago, sockeye said: The bottom line is we need a top D man more than we need Dubois in this draft. So, somehow we need to land Juolevi, Chychrun or Sergachev. If you look at the potential trading partners (with picks to trade to us) that would allow us to get one of those three D men (plus a second rounder), Montreal's spot (at 9th) looks to be the best bet. Arizona and Buffalo would be the next best trading partners. Now that we know we aren't going to land any of the top three in this draft, we need more picks in the worst way (Calgary has 10 picks, Buffalo has 12 picks and we have 7 picks). I thought we had 6 picks but the following web site shows us as having 7 picks: http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/vancouver/68/ -1st round is always bpa, drafting by position sets you up for failure, gillis stated this many times as "something he learned" - there are no "top" defence man in this draft, the big 3-4 d men all project as likely 2nd pairing d men, none of them are complete d men. -there is a big drop off talent wise between tkachuk/dubois and the d men -number of picks doesn't really matter- rather have 5 picks in the top 60 than 12 picks with 10 of those in late 2nd and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockeye Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share Posted May 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: -1st round is always bpa, drafting by position sets you up for failure, gillis stated this many times as "something he learned" - there are no "top" defence man in this draft, the big 3-4 d men all project as likely 2nd pairing d men, none of them are complete d men. -there is a big drop off talent wise between tkachuk/dubois and the d men -number of picks doesn't really matter- rather have 5 picks in the top 60 than 12 picks with 10 of those in late 2nd and beyond. Well, you would be happy with what Calgary has. They have 5 picks in the top 65 and we have 3 picks in the top 65. We need more picks to build our team. We are no longer in re-tool mode; we are in rebuild mode. We should be following the Calgary model now. If nothing else, an extra pick can be used to complement a trade. We can't rely on UFAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 I like it. Let's see what Benning does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo Chili Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Keep the 5th oa Trade subban hansen 33rd pick for 9th oa One of nylander, juolevi, sergachev, chychrun or even jost will be available at that spot Canucks draft 2 players in top ten; montreal gets subban, a vet in hansen and high 2nd rd pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 16 minutes ago, Bingo Chili said: Keep the 5th oa Trade subban hansen 33rd pick for 9th oa One of nylander, juolevi, sergachev, chychrun or even jost will be available at that spot Canucks draft 2 players in top ten; montreal gets subban, a vet in hansen and high 2nd rd pick As much as I like this, I doubt Habs management would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Love it. Throw in Granlund if it helps get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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