Z Hockey Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 A.Nylander, Juolevi, M.Tkachuk, or M.McLeod at #5. I also want Max Jones, Logan Brown, or Bellows. If we want anyone other than the four I listed for #5. Then we trade down... I'd take Chychrun or Sergachev only if we traded down and A.Nylander, Juolevi, or M.Tkachuk were all still gone at No.9 - 13. I see these five scenarios as our best options... 1- Keep #5 pick, draft one of the four I mentioned and stay away from Dubois. 2- Keep #5 pick, draft one of the four I mentioned and also trade for an additional 1st rounder or two using the 33rd overall pick, our 3rd round pick, B.Gaunce and/or Veys rights, and/or Hansen and/or Sautner. 3- Trade #5 and two or three of Rodin, Hansen, Sbisa, B.Gaunce, Gaudette, Sautner, Cassels the 33rd overall pick, and another high pick in 2018 for the #2/3 overall pick. Draft Laine or Puljujarvi. 4- Trade #5 and two or three of Rodin, Hansen, Sbisa, B.Gaunce, Gaudette, Sautner, Cassels, the 33rd overall pick, and another high pick in 2018 for the # 2/3 overall pick. Draft Laine or Puljujarvi. And also trade for another 1st rounder or two using the same assets or using Edler and just other draft picks. 5- Keep #5 and draft one of the four mentioned and also trade for #2/3 pick using Boeser, Edler, Rodin, Hansen, J.Subban, 33rd overall pick, and a high/high picks in 2017 and 2018. Regardless, our draft targets in this order should be... Alex Nylander, Olli Juolevi, Matt Tkachuk, Michael McLeod, Logan Brown, Max Jones Dante Fabbro, Jake Bean, Keiffer Bellows, Jacob Chychrun, Mikhail Sergachev, Clayton Keller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Does he know the lottery is fixed or is it just his opinion the lottery is fixed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 I which part was fixed ? Canucks at 5 or laffs at 1 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 7 hours ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: I which part was fixed ? Canucks at 5 or laffs at 1 ? Both. Leafs definitely. And I realized this, it's so obvious... So out of all the Canadian teams in the top five, the Jets are likely the least hated by the NHL. And after getting back in the NHL a few seasons ago, they got back in the playoffs last season. This year they dropped and their fans were very disappointed. Their arena (MTS Centre) is the smallest in the NHL, so Bettman/Daly were likely concerned that the Jets owners would start losing money if the team was going to struggle for a bit and rebuild. An arena that already is low capacity having low attendance, would be bad. The last thing Bettman/Daly need to worry about in the middle of an expansion process, is ANOTHER team struggling to sell tickets and relocation rumours. So they rig the lottery and give the Jets the best prospect besides Matthews, so the team can get winning again sooner and there's no risk of losing money because of empty seats. (Laine is really the best prospect IMO). It makes too much sense, typical Bettman/Daly. Same thing with the Blue Jackets, a team that already struggles with being a NON hockey hot-bed has a terrible season, so they give them a top 3 pick. The pick at No.3 that was actually ours.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 7 hours ago, erkayloomeh said: Does he know the lottery is fixed or is it just his opinion the lottery is fixed? HAH. There's always rumours its rigged so I'm saying it really was this time because of someone I know. Give an opinion on what scenario you like or stay out of the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 7 hours ago, Z Hockey said: A.Nylander, Juolevi, M.Tkachuk, or M.McLeod at #5. I also want Max Jones, Logan Brown, or Bellows. If we want anyone other than the four I listed for #5. Then we trade down... I'd take Chychrun or Sergachev only if we traded down and A.Nylander, Juolevi, or M.Tkachuk were all still gone at No.9 - 13. I see these five scenarios as our best options... 1- Keep #5 pick, draft one of the four I mentioned and stay away from Dubois. What first hand knowledge do you have about Dubois? Probably none right? You have pretty much made a useless assertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 14 minutes ago, GarthButcher5 said: What first hand knowledge do you have about Dubois? Probably none right? You have pretty much made a useless assertion. I've gone on and on about him on CDC, go find what I said it's all over this board. Because I don't feel like repeating my self. Long story short, lots of players looked like they could score or be great in the QMJHL, it's the softest, smallest, and easiest of the Junior leagues. To me Dubois could easily be like Malhotra who has very similar size and fundamentals and went in a similar spot at 7th overall. People thought he was an Elite 2nd line C. What first hand knowledge or personal opinion do you have about any of the prospects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Sock Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 34 minutes ago, Z Hockey said: So out of all the Canadian teams in the top five, the Jets are likely the least hated by the NHL. And after getting back in the NHL a few seasons ago, they got back in the playoffs last season. This year they dropped and their fans were very disappointed. Their arena (MTS Centre) is the smallest in the NHL, so Bettman/Daly were likely concerned that the Jets owners would start losing money if the team was going to struggle for a bit and rebuild. An arena that already is low capacity having low attendance, would be bad. The last thing Bettman/Daly need to worry about in the middle of an expansion process, is ANOTHER team struggling to sell tickets and relocation rumours. So they rig the lottery and give the Jets the best prospect besides Matthews, so the team can get winning again sooner and there's no risk of losing money because of empty seats. (Laine is really the best prospect IMO). Winnipeg has sold out every game since coming back into the league. There are no rumors of them relocating. They aren't struggling to sell tickets. The draft lottery wasn't rigged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 18 minutes ago, Pink Sock said: Winnipeg has sold out every game since coming back into the league. There are no rumors of them relocating. They aren't struggling to sell tickets. The draft lottery wasn't rigged. The lottery was rigged. A Canadian team like the Jets that's probably the least-hated Canadian team, doesn't just jump four spots to No.2 overall. The Leafs getting Matthews was rigged even though they had the best odds. Two of the most hated Canadian teams in Vancouver & Edmonton don't just both drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 I think the fact that the league had external auditors who are trusted to oversees lotteries and such should quell the "it is fixed" idea. It wasn't fixed, we just didn't win. If it was fixed, Edmonton wouldn't have won last year (the actual important draft) most certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 22 minutes ago, Provost said: I think the fact that the league had external auditors who are trusted to oversees lotteries and such should quell the "it is fixed" idea. It wasn't fixed, we just didn't win. If it was fixed, Edmonton wouldn't have won last year (the actual important draft) most certainly. No no. Edmonton winning last year is proof it's fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Z Hockey said: Both. Leafs definitely. And I realized this, it's so obvious... So out of all the Canadian teams in the top five, the Jets are likely the least hated by the NHL. And after getting back in the NHL a few seasons ago, they got back in the playoffs last season. This year they dropped and their fans were very disappointed. Their arena (MTS Centre) is the smallest in the NHL, so Bettman/Daly were likely concerned that the Jets owners would start losing money if the team was going to struggle for a bit and rebuild. An arena that already is low capacity having low attendance, would be bad. The last thing Bettman/Daly need to worry about in the middle of an expansion process, is ANOTHER team struggling to sell tickets and relocation rumours. So they rig the lottery and give the Jets the best prospect besides Matthews, so the team can get winning again sooner and there's no risk of losing money because of empty seats. (Laine is really the best prospect IMO). It makes too much sense, typical Bettman/Daly. Same thing with the Blue Jackets, a team that already struggles with being a NON hockey hot-bed has a terrible season, so they give them a top 3 pick. The pick at No.3 that was actually ours.... The most statistically probable outcome happened it must be a conspiracy~!!!!!!1111!!!!! The Canucks are one of the most profitable organizations in the League. If we were back on top we would be easily top 3 most profitable. All that extra $$$ would be immensely helpful with the failing Canadian dollar, as well as the American market experiments. There is zero logical reason for the League to want us to fail/for them to screw us out of a strong future. $$$ over everything, you are out to lunch if you think that, even if the League had an anti Nuck bias, that they would choose that over the all mighty dollar bill yall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 18 minutes ago, BI3KSA- said: The most statistically probable outcome happened it must be a conspiracy~!!!!!!1111!!!!! The Canucks are one of the most profitable organizations in the League. If we were back on top we would be easily top 3 most profitable. All that extra $$$ would be immensely helpful with the failing Canadian dollar, as well as the American market experiments. There is zero logical reason for the League to want us to fail/for them to screw us out of a strong future. $$$ over everything, you are out to lunch if you think that, even if the League had an anti Nuck bias, that they would choose that over the all mighty dollar bill yall THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM SAYING. $$$ over everything, they were worried the most about the Jets beginning to lose fans maybe since they started trending downward last season and already have the smallest arena. So the NHL gives them a top 3 pick so they re-build/improve faster and the fan attendance rate doesn't drop and therefore tickets don't and therefore $$$ doesn't drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 For me, one of 2 players. Jakob Chychurn or Pierre Luc Dubois, PLD is my preference but whichever is available. I think Chychurn will take more development time out of the two but if developed properly could be a Hedman like rock on our blueline I think. Dubois won't play next year but could push the year after, I don't think it will take him as long as far as development but he shouldn't be rushed either definitely. He's got all the tools to be a big time player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 26 minutes ago, Z Hockey said: THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM SAYING. $$$ over everything, they were worried the most about the Jets beginning to lose fans maybe since they started trending downward last season and already have the smallest arena. So the NHL gives them a top 3 pick so they re-build/improve faster and the fan attendance rate doesn't drop and therefore tickets don't and therefore $$$ doesn't drop. This makes no sense whatsoever. The Jets are selling out nonstop and the fans love the team and hockey, they wont fail. We're a MUCH bigger franchise and market, it would make much more sense to fix the lottery so Toronto and Vancouver both won from a monetary standpoint. We lost, just face it. The statistically most probable thing happened. We arent the center of the universe with the world conspiring against us. We just lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Z Hockey said: I've gone on and on about him on CDC, go find what I said it's all over this board. Because I don't feel like repeating my self. Long story short, lots of players looked like they could score or be great in the QMJHL, it's the softest, smallest, and easiest of the Junior leagues. To me Dubois could easily be like Malhotra who has very similar size and fundamentals and went in a similar spot at 7th overall. People thought he was an Elite 2nd line C. What first hand knowledge or personal opinion do you have about any of the prospects? Yeah, those guys like Lemieux and Crosby who scored a lot in the QMJHL were over-rated. I was concerned that maybe there was a serious problem with Dubois but after reading this explanation I stopped worrying. Scoring rates are slightly higher in the QMJHL than in the OHL and WHL, but not by much. And more good players do come from the OHL and WHL than from the QMJHL. However, but top players from the QMJHL are still very good players and Dubois looks like far and away the best this year. If we look at recent history, the top players from the QMJHL in 2013 were Nathan MacKinnon and Jonathan Drouin and the top player in 2014 was Ehlers. It does not look to me like QMJHL players are destined to be "busts". Also the argument that a particular player, like Dubois, is similar to other players in the past who did not do well is not a strong argument. With almost any player it is possible to find a similar player in the past who underperformed, and it is also possible to find similar players who overperformed. The key about Dubois is that he is the guy who drives the bus on his team -- he is the dominant player. Other top players in the draft like Tkachuk, Juolevi, Chychrun, benefit a lot from other strong players in the line-up. I still think the Canucks have Dubois at #4 and will take him if he is available when they pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Z Hockey said: I've gone on and on about him on CDC, go find what I said it's all over this board. Because I don't feel like repeating my self. Long story short, lots of players looked like they could score or be great in the QMJHL, it's the softest, smallest, and easiest of the Junior leagues. To me Dubois could easily be like Malhotra who has very similar size and fundamentals and went in a similar spot at 7th overall. People thought he was an Elite 2nd line C. What first hand knowledge or personal opinion do you have about any of the prospects? Do you realize how good Malhotra was when he was here ? We would be lucky to have another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deus.ex.makina Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 29 minutes ago, cuporbust said: Do you realize how good Malhotra was when he was here ? We would be lucky to have another one. wow... at 5th overall ? WOW after one of the worst season AND lose the lottery? WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 46 minutes ago, JamesB said: Yeah, those guys like Lemieux and Crosby who scored a lot in the QMJHL were over-rated. I was concerned that maybe there was a serious problem with Dubois but after reading this explanation I stopped worrying. Scoring rates are slightly higher in the QMJHL than in the OHL and WHL, but not by much. And more good players do come from the OHL and WHL than from the QMJHL. However, but top players from the QMJHL are still very good players and Dubois looks like far and away the best this year. If we look at recent history, the top players from the QMJHL in 2013 were Nathan MacKinnon and Jonathan Drouin and the top player in 2014 was Ehlers. It does not look to me like QMJHL players are destined to be "busts". Also the argument that a particular player, like Dubois, is similar to other players in the past who did not do well is not a strong argument. With almost any player it is possible to find a similar player in the past who underperformed, and it is also possible to find similar players who overperformed. The key about Dubois is that he is the guy who drives the bus on his team -- he is the dominant player. Other top players in the draft like Tkachuk, Juolevi, Chychrun, benefit a lot from other strong players in the line-up. I still think the Canucks have Dubois at #4 and will take him if he is available when they pick. He can drive the bus but it doesn't mean he's a 1st line center, like I said, Manny Malhotra. Malhotra and many 3rd line players drive the bus, PK, faceoffs, block shots, SH goals, keep puck possession/cycle. You mentioned Crosby & Lemieux wow, those are rare cases and generational players. For every QMJHLer turned NHLer you mention, I'll have double from the Dub and OHL. WHL- Jamie Benn, S.Weber, Marleau, Eberle, Lucic, B.Schenn, Morgan Reilly, Edler, Seabrook, Brouwer, T. Myers OHL- McDavid, Getzlaf, Perry, R.Nash, P.Bergeron, Horvat, M.Domi, Maatta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 55 minutes ago, cuporbust said: Do you realize how good Malhotra was when he was here ? We would be lucky to have another one. Would you draft a player who's never scored even 40 points in Malhotra at 5th overall????? So like I said, we can target Dubois, but only if we have another top 12 pick besides the 5th overall. We can see if he will slide past No. 6, I think he goes to the Habs at No.9. He will slide to their and the Habs with the prospect pool/young players they already have will target a center like Dubois. Plus they love their QMJHLers with them being so close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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