canuckistani Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 What would be a good offer sheet for top RFAs? Would it be worth offer sheeting players like Forsberg/Monahan/Gaudereau/etc ? More accurately, what is their worth, money-wise and would the Cauncks want to offer sheet them in the 5.5-7.3 million zone, that would cost us our top 3 draft picks next year ? or are they worth just a first and a third round and therefore, 3.5-5.5 million range ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono2009 Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Rebuilding, doubt any offersheets going out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 ummmmmmmmmmmm nahhhhhhhhh Let Benning draft our own core, no need for an RFA at this point. I expect another lottery pick next year, then we will be ready to start smelling playoffs with our new core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Yes lets run the same 'training' year as last year..and finally replace a few more vets with our young tougher talent. (bottom 6 I'm speaking of) and hopefully another young D lands in our lap somehow that helps the team (to help our bottom pairing with either size/net front presence or offensive ability). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraken70 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 This wouldn't be an offersheet situation, but one player that intrigues me is David Pastrnak from Boston. He looks like a solid, two way player who plays both wings. Not a ton of offense but enough to significantly contribute and provides dependability in all zones. Looks like a great third line option. As our supporting cast is a weakness, I think he'd be a great addition, if he could be pried out of Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 The day of the offer sheet has been and gone; GMs won't use them as it makes trading more difficult. You're best off trading for the player's rights and not alienating yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Captain Woodget said: The day of the offer sheet has been and gone; GMs won't use them as it makes trading more difficult. You're best off trading for the player's rights and not alienating yourself. I see this argument a lot, but it is still a tool in the box. The circumstances have to be nearly perfect but I don't see it as impossible, plus if GMs really wanted to get rid of it, it wouldn't be there. I do think someone is going to offer sheet Seth Jones - Columbus has very little cap space and TO has picks to burn. I'd prefer it be us but I now think TO would outbid us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 For an organization such as the Canucks, the cost of offer sheeting RFA's is too prohibitive imo. We are not an organization rich in stockpiled picks and/or prospects to fill the gap that would be sacrificed by offer sheeting an RFA. If you look around the league the past several years, RFA offer sheets are rare - telling you that most GM's feel the same way - the cost is too prohibitive. The league has been steadily moving towards the concept of developing prospects the old-school way - through the draft and through your farm system. The wild RFA/UFA spending sprees of the mid-2000's or so are long gone imo. Teams develop through the draft these days mostly then fill out their rosters with trades when/where they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, Fanuck said: For an organization such as the Canucks, the cost of offer sheeting RFA's is too prohibitive imo. We are not an organization rich in stockpiled picks and/or prospects to fill the gap that would be sacrificed by offer sheeting an RFA. If you look around the league the past several years, RFA offer sheets are rare - telling you that most GM's feel the same way - the cost is too prohibitive. The league has been steadily moving towards the concept of developing prospects the old-school way - through the draft and through your farm system. The wild RFA/UFA spending sprees of the mid-2000's or so are long gone imo. Teams develop through the draft these days mostly then fill out their rosters with trades when/where they can. But here's a question - lets say we get Dubois this year and he's as good as projected. If we gave up next years 1st round and 3rd round pick as compensation for Seth Jones, wouldn't that be worth the gamble on a potential 1D? I get that we need picks, but guys that have top line D potential don't come around often either, and if we made the playoffs next year its a mid-round 1st pick, not a lotto ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 On 5/3/2016 at 10:09 AM, canuckistani said: What would be a good offer sheet for top RFAs? Would it be worth offer sheeting players like Forsberg/Monahan/Gaudereau/etc ? More accurately, what is their worth, money-wise and would the Cauncks want to offer sheet them in the 5.5-7.3 million zone, that would cost us our top 3 draft picks next year ? or are they worth just a first and a third round and therefore, 3.5-5.5 million range ? The best part about making offer sheets to RFS's is you imideatly make an enemy with the other team and you don't get that play and if you do get the player. Here are the Draft picks you losses 1.2-1.8M 3ed Round 1.8-3.6M 2nd Round 3.6-5.4M 1st & 3ed Round 5.4-7.3M 1st, 2nd & 3ed Round 7.3-9.1M 1st, 1st, 2nd & 3ed Round 9.1M+ 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st Round I don't really want to give up 1st round draft picks or any draft picks. But thats just me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 7 minutes ago, Bob Long said: But here's a question - lets say we get Dubois this year and he's as good as projected. If we gave up next years 1st round and 3rd round pick as compensation for Seth Jones, wouldn't that be worth the gamble on a potential 1D? I get that we need picks, but guys that have top line D potential don't come around often either, and if we made the playoffs next year its a mid-round 1st pick, not a lotto ticket. When you put it that way, it doesn't seem absurd. However, what is the cost/repercussions to the reputation/long-term viability of the organization/JB/TL if the team does that? Plus, a sheet good enough to lure a Jones type player without being matched is generally an 'overpriced' offer meaning the compensation would be either a 1st/2nd/3rd or two 1st/ a 2nd/a 3rd - both of these have the potential go 'gut' this franchise of any long-term success even with having a Jones on the team for the next 5-6 years. I'm not saying you're idea is ridiculous or anything, but personally it wouldn't be the way I'd go about it. JB has said many times in the past he's going to build through the draft - he believes STRONGLY in that so I think the chances of him offer sheeting an RFA is slim to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 44 minutes ago, Fanuck said: When you put it that way, it doesn't seem absurd. However, what is the cost/repercussions to the reputation/long-term viability of the organization/JB/TL if the team does that? Plus, a sheet good enough to lure a Jones type player without being matched is generally an 'overpriced' offer meaning the compensation would be either a 1st/2nd/3rd or two 1st/ a 2nd/a 3rd - both of these have the potential go 'gut' this franchise of any long-term success even with having a Jones on the team for the next 5-6 years. I'm not saying you're idea is ridiculous or anything, but personally it wouldn't be the way I'd go about it. JB has said many times in the past he's going to build through the draft - he believes STRONGLY in that so I think the chances of him offer sheeting an RFA is slim to none. I guess I see it a bit like using next years draft pick this year, just on getting Jones. And yup, its a gamble, that 1st and 3rd could be the next Ohlund or Demko and Jones might turn out more like Clendenning than Weber. But that's what the scouting system is for. My preferred way would be e.g., to offer McCann (assuming we get Dubois then McCann is pushed to wing) who replaces the centre they lost + maybe a young D prospect like Neill. But I'm starting to think TO might be impossible to out bid/out trade on someone like this. My feeling is this is a business, if there's a tool in the box then use it, no one is thinking about personal relationships between GMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckistani Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 1 hour ago, ChampStatus said: The best part about making offer sheets to RFS's is you imideatly make an enemy with the other team and you don't get that play and if you do get the player. Here are the Draft picks you losses 1.2-1.8M 3ed Round 1.8-3.6M 2nd Round 3.6-5.4M 1st & 3ed Round 5.4-7.3M 1st, 2nd & 3ed Round 7.3-9.1M 1st, 1st, 2nd & 3ed Round 9.1M+ 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st Round I don't really want to give up 1st round draft picks or any draft picks. But thats just me Nobody does, but when once-in-a-lifetime defenseman shows up, like Seth Jones or Aaron Ekblad, its worth throwing 3-4 top 2 round picks at them. Think about it this way: would we've offer-sheeted Shea Weber for what Philly tried to get him for ? Philly offered him 7.8 million. Now, we know that wasn't enough, but that means we'd effectively give up Brendan Gaunce, Alexander Mallet & Bo Horvat and assuming we still had a 3rd R draft pick that year, that one. I'd do that deal in a heartbeat and so would any sensible GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 9 minutes ago, canuckistani said: Nobody does, but when once-in-a-lifetime defenseman shows up, like Seth Jones or Aaron Ekblad, its worth throwing 3-4 top 2 round picks at them. Think about it this way: would we've offer-sheeted Shea Weber for what Philly tried to get him for ? Philly offered him 7.8 million. Now, we know that wasn't enough, but that means we'd effectively give up Brendan Gaunce, Alexander Mallet & Bo Horvat and assuming we still had a 3rd R draft pick that year, that one. I'd do that deal in a heartbeat and so would any sensible GM. It would have been 2013 1st Hunter Shinkaruk 2014 1st Jake Virtanen 2013 2nd went to Dallas so lets call it 2014 2nd round 2014 2nd Thatcher Demko 2013 3ed Cole Cassels For Shea Weber? Yes you get a top dman for 10 years but if you think blowing up the farm is worth it. Fill your boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckistani Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 Demko is the only one in that list that'd hurt and one can argue that as talented as Demko is, he has proven zero at the top level. Thus, trading a nearly-guaranteed Hall of Famer defenseman for a potential Hall of Famer goalie and a few picks who aren't going to play, plus a project pick in Virtanen is an easy deal. Is it worth blowing up the farm team to get a player like Weber or say Stamkos if it means giving up 1-2 pieces who will actually play in the NHL and 1-3 pieces who won't ? Absolutely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckistani Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 Plus, If our back end looked like: Hamhuis- Weber Edler- Tanev Garrison/Stanton/Sbisa/Hutton - Bieksa/Tryamkin/Biega with Luongo/Miller/Markstrom in the goal, we'd basically be a more offensively gifted version of Nashville. Ie, auto-lock for contending for the next 5-7 years with one or two key UFA upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleSamich Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 I personally like the idea of sending an offersheet. I would love to see them send one to TB on Nikita Kucherov. TB has just re signed Stamkos, and has lots of big names to re-sign over this year and next. I would offer him 7.5 mil for 7 years. I could be wrong but I think the compensation chart above is a little off. I believe it has been adjusted a bit and looks like this; Average Annual Value RFA Compensation Less than $1,239,226 Nothing Over $1,239,226 to $1,877,615 Third-round pick Over $1,877,615 to $3,755,233 Second-round pick Over $3,755,233 to $5,632,847 First and third-round picks Over $5,632,847 to $7,510,464 First, second and third-round picks Over $7,510,464 to $9,388,080 Two firsts, a second and third-round picks Over $9,388,080 Four first-round picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Jim Vasey becomes a FA on 15th August and tell the writers at the Globe and M Quote The sought-after college star will reportedly pursue free agency in mid-August despite his rights being owned by the Buffalo Sabres who traded for them recently, according to The Boston Globe’s Kevin Paul Dupont. “I’m still going to go to free agency,’’ he told the Globe, “and explore all my options.’’ The former Nashville Predators draft choice in 2012 played four years at Harvard University before declining to sign with the NHL club. His rights were traded on June 20 to the Buffalo Sabres who believed the presence of Jack Eichel — a friend and former teammate to Vesey — would convince him to sign with the Sabres. Buffalo gave up a third round pick to acquire him. He won't sign until he see what FA can bring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Bump. Is Calgary vulnerable to offer sheets on Gaudreau and Monahan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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