Bob Long Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Benning seems intent on getting Dubois as a future top 6 C, so if that's true then it seems like McCann is the odd guy out with Henrik, Sutter, Bo and maybe a mix of Granlund/Dubois depending on Dubois making it out of camp this year or brining him up late depending on how the year is going. Even if Dubois stays in Utica for a full year, there won't be a future spot for McCann. Would McCann + a 2nd or McCann+Pedan be enough to get us the 9th overall and land a guy like Sergachev? Montreal is really cap squeezed and McCann would inject some offence and they also need some help on D now, vs. a couple of years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 It would take more than that, you can get a guy like Jost or Keller at 9, who, in my opinion, have higher ceilings than McCann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 How exactly is Montreal really cap squeezed? All their major players are locked up and they only have a few minor RFA's to re-sign. They aren't remotely in trouble. As as for your proposal, Montreal needs a legit top 6 winger. McCann is a centre and isn't any better an option than Andrighetto, Lessio, Carr and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 If we took Dubois wouldn't he be ineligible to play in the A? NHL or back to Jr.? I personally don't think we should be so quick to give up on McCann yet, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, qwijibo said: How exactly is Montreal really cap squeezed? All their major players are locked up and they only have a few minor RFA's to re-sign. They aren't remotely in trouble. As as for your proposal, Montreal needs a legit top 6 winger. McCann is a centre and isn't any better an option than Andrighetto, Lessio, Carr and so on. McCann can also play the wing and LOL he's a much better option than those 3 because of his ceiling alone. They're at least 4 years older than him and they put up similar numbers as McCann. Those guys are nothing more than bottom 6 plugs, dime a dozen. As for the trade proposal OP, you still are way off on your value. MTL would not want to give up a 9th overall pick for McCann. They could draft a Dman that might be able to replace Markov down the road (like Bean). I doubt any of 1st round picks are traded this year but if there are any trades they would be much later in the 1st round and only to move down a few spots. 4 minutes ago, Aladeen said: If we took Dubois wouldn't he be ineligible to play in the A? NHL or back to Jr.? I personally don't think we should be so quick to give up on McCann yet, +1 Completely agree with that. I'd give him at least 3 more years before deciding to keep him or trade him. This guy could be something special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 As much as I'd like another top 10ish pick, I don't think we want to move McCann to get it. Hansen and picks, sure, but McCann isn't hurt by us adding forward depth when he can play wing and so can Dubois. But Bob, you'll want to start adding tags to your treads in this forum or you'll end up getting them locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 8 minutes ago, meh_wassup said: McCann can also play the wing and LOL he's a much better option than those 3 because of his ceiling alone. They're at least 4 years older than him and they put up similar numbers as McCann. Those guys are nothing more than bottom 6 plugs, dime a dozen. As for the trade proposal OP, you still are way off on your value. MTL would not want to give up a 9th overall pick for McCann. They could draft a Dman that might be able to replace Markov down the road (like Bean). I doubt any of 1st round picks are traded this year but if there are any trades they would be much later in the 1st round and only to move down a few spots. +1 Completely agree with that. I'd give him at least 3 more years before deciding to keep him or trade him. This guy could be something special. Actually both Carr and Andrighetto scored at a better rate than McCann. McCann put up 18 points in 69 games (.26ppg) Andrighetto put up 17 in 44 games (.39 ppg) Carr 9 points in 23 games (.38 ppg) If you read my post you'd see I said Montrea's biggest need is a legit top 6 winger. I didn't say any of those guys are the answer. Just that they're as good an answer as McCann. McCann may be an upgrade down the road but he does nothing to improve the team right now. And certainly not at the cost of a top 9 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 22 minutes ago, elvis15 said: But Bob, you'll want to start adding tags to your treads in this forum or you'll end up getting them locked. ? Sorry newish here and I don't know what that means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I'd rather try to move Edler + Brisebrois + another young asset (maybe a RFA like Grenier) (or maybe we swap second round picks) For 9th overall and Markov (mostly a cap dump, he could be a good mentor for Tryamkin) At 9, one of Juolevi, Sergachev or Chychrun should be still available (ideally Sergachev). Our D takes an initial hit but gets better in the long term. We leave the first round of the 2016 draft with a top forward and a top D. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 9 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Actually both Carr and Andrighetto scored at a better rate than McCann. McCann put up 18 points in 69 games (.26ppg) Andrighetto put up 17 in 44 games (.39 ppg) Carr 9 points in 23 games (.38 ppg) If you read my post you'd see I said Montrea's biggest need is a legit top 6 winger. I didn't say any of those guys are the answer. Just that they're as good an answer as McCann. McCann may be an upgrade down the road but he does nothing to improve the team right now. And certainly not at the cost of a top 9 pick. Sure, but once again they're 4 years older than him and honestly that's not a big great gap. McCann could very easily eclipse that next year with a full summer training. But yes I will concede that based on last year McCann would not be a step up for them. There's plenty of top 6 UFAs to choose from for MTL this season although they might not be able to afford any if they plan on re-upping Galchenyuk and Beaulieu next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 1 hour ago, qwijibo said: How exactly is Montreal really cap squeezed? All their major players are locked up and they only have a few minor RFA's to re-sign. They aren't remotely in trouble. As as for your proposal, Montreal needs a legit top 6 winger. McCann is a centre and isn't any better an option than Andrighetto, Lessio, Carr and so on. They are in the mid-60 millions - if they are going to make a push next year and bring in some help at the deadline, they won't have a lot of room left after signing those RFAs. McCann if I recall correctly was ranked higher by a lot of people that where we got him at, and Montreal might see him as a good fit. IMO we need a guy like Sergachev more than McCann, particularly if we draft Dubois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 4 hours ago, Bob Long said: ? Sorry newish here and I don't know what that means If you look at pretty much every thread in this section of the forum, you'll see each title has something like [PROPSAL], [DISCUSSION], [VALUE OF], etc. in it. Better yet, there's the pinned thread at the very top that explains it all: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferlands_Head Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I'd do Edler + 33rd for 9thOA. Canucks get one of juolevi Chychrun or Sergachev. Mtl is in win now mode with a prime price and patches. They could use a LD to bump Markov down to play less minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 5, 2016 Author Share Posted May 5, 2016 2 hours ago, elvis15 said: If you look at pretty much every thread in this section of the forum, you'll see each title has something like [PROPSAL], [DISCUSSION], [VALUE OF], etc. in it. Better yet, there's the pinned thread at the very top that explains it all: Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Imo I could see MTL looking to trade up to get Dubois. Could see them package their 9th + emelin + later round pick for Edmonton 4th or I wouldn't be opposed to trade the 5th for their 9th plus both 2nds or something along those lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 If we move Edler for a pick we're in full rebuild mode, unless we sign a replacement in FA. That being said, I'd be happy moving him for the 9OA, though I'd question whether MTL goes for it, unless they move Subban, cause currently as it stands, they need scoring and forward depth much more so than defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Honestly, I'd trade down to 9th. I'm sure Montreal would love to add a big body to their smallish forward group. Adding Dubois or Tkachuk would be enticing for them. As I posted in another thread: To VAN: 9th OA 39th OA To MON: 5th OA We'd still get a very good player at 9th OA. One of these guys will be left: Chychrun, Juolevi, Sergachev We've also then added a second 2nd Round Pick. Not to mention, Montreal may be willing to do this as they have two 2nd round picks this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 On 5/4/2016 at 11:12 AM, elvis15 said: As much as I'd like another top 10ish pick, I don't think we want to move McCann to get it. Hansen and picks, sure, but McCann isn't hurt by us adding forward depth when he can play wing and so can Dubois. But Bob, you'll want to start adding tags to your treads in this forum or you'll end up getting them locked. Yeah Bob, ya big weenie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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