[Discussion] can we trade into another 1st rounder without loosing the #5?

[1994_fan]

1st sorry if I haven't used the proper tagging, I don't do this often.

 

Personally I think we'll get a great player at #5 (either Tkachuck or Dubois), but could JB and TL be able to swindle another team out of their 1st rounder? Highly unlikely right? So, what would it take to sway Arizona, Buffalo, Montreal or New Jersey? I skipped Colorado because I seriously don't think we would.

 

These are a few ideas of what a package may require IMO to get it done:

 

1. McCaan + 2x 2nd Round pick (2016, 2017) 
2. Hansen, McCaan and 1x 2nd Round pick
3. Hansen, 2x prospects like Grenier, Cassels, Subban, etc + 1x 2nd Round pick

 

Discuss...

[Aladeen]

Our 2nd round pick is like 3 away from the first round why would you add another 2nd rounder and McCann ++ to move up 10 or so spots? Makes no sense unless there is someone that this team is desperately targeting in which case I guess you always overpay when you're desperate. 

 

Edit: Someone rated mid - late first round will fall to the Canuck's second pick, grab them and you don't have to pay out the arse. 

[Blue Jay 22]

I think there will still be some good players in the 2nd round, but if we really wanted another pick, I think the 1st 2 deals you laid out are fair.

[Baer.]

Overpayments. Canucks 2nd is 33rd OA, practically a first rounder as is.

[chon derry]

cbj picks at 34 oa and owe us a 2nd next year could we add something to this to get 34 oa. giving us 33 and 34?

[Bissurnette]

No reason to pay a ransom for a 1st round pick. This years draft is very good and an early - mid 2nd round pick is almost just as good as a late 1st rounder. We should be targeting that instead of a 1st.

[1994_fan]

Thanks for the comments thus far. 

 

To Aladeen, if the Canucks were to land say one of Tkachuck or Dubois and one of Brown or McLeod with that second 1st rounder IMO the team would be set very nicely to make the Sedin transition with confidence. We can still get a good top 4 D on the later rounds or via UFA.

[Aladeen]

1 minute ago, 1994_fan said:

Thanks for the comments thus far. 

 

To Aladeen, if the Canucks were to land say one of Tkachuck or Dubois and one of Brown or McLeod with that second 1st rounder IMO the team would be set very nicely to make the Sedin transition with confidence. We can still get a good top 4 D on the later rounds or via UFA.

So really you're asking what it would take to get a top15 pick not just into the first round. That's definitely a different story... Like I said if there is someone specific you are targeting then it makes sense and will have to overpay for such things. 

 

 

[D-Money]

McCann alone should be enough to land something in the #10-15 range.

[Dral]

Horvat or Virt would do it

[Freeridebc]

Literally every proposal features trading McCann, I don't get it. 

[1994_fan]

Hey Freeridebc, I think McCann is awesome and will probably be a good 2nd line C or W, but do you see him being a #1 C? I don't see another of our prospects (at forward position) getting us an improved position on return. I also suggested this:

3. Hansen, 2x prospects like Grenier, Cassels, Subban, etc + 1x 2nd Round pick

But would we get a top 15 pick for something like this?

[ChampStatus]

Only if you are trading up to get Dante Fabbro. The only person to trade up for around 16-23.

[Vanisleryan]

I already said in another thread...if we draft Dubois who is a much bigger centre, better geared for the west.  Then we try to trade McCann and our 33rd for Carolinas 13th pick...they may go for it since they also have another late 1st.  With that pick we take Bean or another D prospect.

[Wrecken]

It really is hard to trade away a guy like McCann (still have nightmares of Neely), but it is tempting.

[kloubek]

I'm not sold on McCann either.  Certainly not as a center - as his faceoffs are not good at all.  But as a 2nd line winger - I can see that.  The guy's vision and hockey IQ are excellent, and he has a decent skillset.  I think everyone is so low on him because if his questionable play last season, but let's not forget that both he and Virtanen SHOULD have stuck with Utica but stuck with the team in hopes they were ready.  He has the tools to be a very good player, and if he plays the year out with Utica I think we're going to see him light it up down there. 

But given the opportunity to get a big, strong, potentially 1st line/pairing player in return, I too would entertain offers for McCann.  I think it could be worth the risk.

[Monty]

5 hours ago, kloubek said:

I'm not sold on McCann either.  Certainly not as a center - as his faceoffs are not good at all.

Let's just remember that the guy is a 24th overall pick and is only 19 years old, playing against seasoned and professionally trained players by NHL coaches for years. How he (or anyone at 19) is in the NHL will look drastically different in 5 years.

[Bigturk8]

Honestly, I think Hansen + 33OA would be able to get us somewhere between 12-16OA. Hansen has 2 years left on his contract with a very friendly cap hit of 2.5M and could slot very well into the second line on most teams. He kills penalties, goes to the dirty areas and busts his ass every night. Every team in the league would be interested in this guy. On top of that, the 33OA is basically a first round pick.

[1994_fan]

Bigturk8, as a fan I want to think Hansen + 330A would get us that second 1st rounder. And perhaps if we got Horvat for Scheneider in 2013, why not a 1st rounder between the 7th and 13th pick this year for McCaan right? Certainly if we could shed one of McCaan or Hansen for that pick I would choose Hansen (even if he is a quality player and fan favorite).

[kloubek]

I'm not going to deny that most teams would like Hansen, but I question the statement that he'd be a 2nd line player on most teams.  I think that on most teams he would slot in exactly where he does on ours - which is an elite 3rd liner with PK capabilities.

While McCann may (or may not) have more upside, I'd be hesitant to get rid of Hansen.  The guy lays it all out on the ice, is capable of playing up and down the lineup, and is great on the PK.  Additionally, he's a great mentor to the young guys on how they should conduct themselves and play with passion. 

And Monty, of course you're right.  Like I said, he was inserted into the lineup too quickly.  He couldn't sustain his early play, nor find a way to develop while he was up with the Canucks.  I think we'll have a far better idea of what he is capable of if he is kept in Utica for the season.