ItsMillerTime Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Ok there is a lot of threads about trading down at number 5. But I think thats a terrible idea. Number 5 is one of the most consistent pick. All the players since 2000 have play over 100 games or are still playing in the NHL for the acceptation of Dal colle. But I'm going to provide you a list with all the former picks and why you shouldn't be worried about drafting at 5. Carolina 2015: Noah Hanifin New York Isles 2014: Michael Dal Colle Carolina 2013: Elias Lindholm Toronto 2012: Morgan Reilly New York Isles 2011: Ryan Strome New York Isles 2010: Nino Niederreiter LA 2009: Brayden Schenn Toronto 2008: Luke Schenn Washington 2007: Karl Alzner Boston 2006: Phil Kessel Montreal 2005: Carey Price Phoenix 2004: Blake Wheeler Buffalo 2003: Thomas Vanek Pittsburg 2002: Ryan Whitney Anaheim 2001: Stanislav Chistov New York Isles 2000: Raffi Torres This is only from 2000-2015 but there is more great number 5s down the years. The only guys you might not know are Ryan Whitney and Stanislav Chistov. The 2 notables are Kessel and Price. I would not sweat about how the 5 pick isn't good enough. The 5 pick is a great pick for the Canucks because there is guys like Dubois, Jeoulevi and Tkachuk who are great players. They will need more time to develop but they will be for sure NHL players in 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MJDDawg Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 13 minutes ago, ItsMillerTime said: Ok there is a lot of threads about trading down at number 5. But I think thats a terrible idea. Number 5 is one of the most consistent pick. All the players since 2000 have play over 100 games or are still playing in the NHL for the acceptation of Dal colle. But I'm going to provide you a list with all the former picks and why you shouldn't be worried about drafting at 5. Carolina 2015: Noah Hanifin New York Isles 2014: Michael Dal Colle Carolina 2013: Elias Lindholm Toronto 2012: Morgan Reilly New York Isles 2011: Ryan Strome New York Isles 2010: Nino Niederreiter LA 2009: Brayden Schenn Toronto 2008: Luke Schenn Washington 2007: Karl Alzner Boston 2006: Phil Kessel Montreal 2005: Carey Price Phoenix 2004: Blake Wheeler Buffalo 2003: Thomas Vanek Pittsburg 2002: Ryan Whitney Anaheim 2001: Stanislav Chistov New York Isles 2000: Raffi Torres This is only from 2000-2015 but there is more great number 5s down the years. The only guys you might not know are Ryan Whitney and Stanislav Chistov. The 2 notables are Kessel and Price. I would not sweat about how the 5 pick isn't good enough. The 5 pick is a great pick for the Canucks because there is guys like Dubois, Jeoulevi and Tkachuk who are great players. They will need more time to develop but they will be for sure NHL players in 3 years. Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Yep, and as Linden said, "the player will be a cornerstone player for years to come." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I see your point...and I agree with you, but that list could be used to make the opposite point. Raffi Torres? Karl Alzner? Luke Schenn? Dal Colle is disappointing so far. STANISLAV CHISTOV? I trust Benning to pick the best player at that point in the draft, but that list has a lot of players of the breed we do not need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Nazzy91 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 16 minutes ago, ItsMillerTime said: Ok there is a lot of threads about trading down at number 5. But I think thats a terrible idea. Number 5 is one of the most consistent pick. All the players since 2000 have play over 100 games or are still playing in the NHL for the acceptation of Dal colle. But I'm going to provide you a list with all the former picks and why you shouldn't be worried about drafting at 5. Carolina 2015: Noah Hanifin New York Isles 2014: Michael Dal Colle Carolina 2013: Elias Lindholm Toronto 2012: Morgan Reilly New York Isles 2011: Ryan Strome New York Isles 2010: Nino Niederreiter LA 2009: Brayden Schenn Toronto 2008: Luke Schenn Washington 2007: Karl Alzner Boston 2006: Phil Kessel Montreal 2005: Carey Price Phoenix 2004: Blake Wheeler Buffalo 2003: Thomas Vanek Pittsburg 2002: Ryan Whitney Anaheim 2001: Stanislav Chistov New York Isles 2000: Raffi Torres This is only from 2000-2015 but there is more great number 5s down the years. The only guys you might not know are Ryan Whitney and Stanislav Chistov. The 2 notables are Kessel and Price. I would not sweat about how the 5 pick isn't good enough. The 5 pick is a great pick for the Canucks because there is guys like Dubois, Jeoulevi and Tkachuk who are great players. They will need more time to develop but they will be for sure NHL players in 3 years. There's a lot of good players and a fair few bad ones too. I personally have complete faith that Benning will be able to find us a young prospect that be able to step up into the first line eventually, and who knows, may even exceed expectations. Whether that be Dubois, Tkachuck, or whoever, if Benning can find a diamond in the rough like Boeser last year then he can find a gem at 5th overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMillerTime Posted May 6, 2016 Author Share Posted May 6, 2016 18 minutes ago, Mrbigyellowbus said: I see your point...and I agree with you, but that list could be used to make the opposite point. Raffi Torres? Karl Alzner? Luke Schenn? Dal Colle is disappointing so far. STANISLAV CHISTOV? I trust Benning to pick the best player at that point in the draft, but that list has a lot of players of the breed we do not need. Whats wrong with Alzner and also Dal Colle just needs to develop. Also Stanislav Chistov had 200 games and had some solid points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 13 minutes ago, 19Nazzy91 said: There's a lot of good players and a fair few bad ones too. I personally have complete faith that Benning will be able to find us a young prospect that be able to step up into the first line eventually, and who knows, may even exceed expectations. Whether that be Dubois, Tkachuck, or whoever, if Benning can find a diamond in the rough like Boeser last year then he can find a gem at 5th overall. Agreed. Further more I think the OP's point is that 5th will not be a bust, 14 out 15 are still playing in the NHL. Price and Kessel all stars and quite a few of the younger more recent picks could have solid careers. I also expect Dal Cole will be a full timer soon. And, as you stated, JB will likely pick a gem, the odds are not against that considering the quality that will be available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC20.0 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 36 minutes ago, Mrbigyellowbus said: I see your point...and I agree with you, but that list could be used to make the opposite point. Raffi Torres? Karl Alzner? Luke Schenn? Dal Colle is disappointing so far. STANISLAV CHISTOV? I trust Benning to pick the best player at that point in the draft, but that list has a lot of players of the breed we do not need. Alzer's pretty good, I wouldn't include him. But yeah, there have been a few notable busts. Dal Colle would be better if he had a better attitude I think. He reminds me a lot of Evander Kane. It'll be interesting to see what happens at this draft. 5th overalls are really shotty. Hopefully we land a great player, boy do we need one desperately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 16 minutes ago, ItsMillerTime said: Whats wrong with Alzner and also Dal Colle just needs to develop. Also Stanislav Chistov had 200 games and had some solid points. Well there's nothing wrong with Alzner per se, but I would be disappointed if the player we pick at #5 is of equal calibre. About Dal Coller, you're right, he may end up being a solid nhl'er. Chistov had 19 goals, and 61 points in 196 nhl games. Would you be happy if that's the stat line of our pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Some solid players but not many real centerpieces in there. 5th is 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I'm sure you could make a similar list of picks that did/didn't make 100 games(or more) at every spot in the first round over the years, not just the 5 spot. Means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowardrobertford Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I'm concerned of getting the best player we could have, sure all of them are good, but you want the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFBR392 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I think people are just rightly disappointed that we weren't blessed with bit of good luck. We finished as the 3rd worst place team in the league. To walk away with the 5th pick, considering who the top 3 are - hurts a bit. It would be nice if something just went our way for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 2 hours ago, Mrbigyellowbus said: I see your point...and I agree with you, but that list could be used to make the opposite point. Raffi Torres? Karl Alzner? Luke Schenn? Dal Colle is disappointing so far. STANISLAV CHISTOV? I trust Benning to pick the best player at that point in the draft, but that list has a lot of players of the breed we do not need. OEL went #6 in 2009 right after Brayden Schenn. So it's not always the position you're in it's the GM who's doing the picking that counts the most. In Benning we trust... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Fanuck said: I'm sure you could make a similar list of picks that did/didn't make 100 games(or more) at every spot in the first round over the years, not just the 5 spot. Means nothing. Exactly. And one of those spots would be number one overall. Lots of flops who have been picked first in the draft. Does that mean it's a bad thing to be picking first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 15 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said: OEL went #6 in 2009 right after Brayden Schenn. So it's not always the position you're in it's the GM who's doing the picking that counts the most. In Benning we trust... There's a good chance that could happen this year if we take Dubois and one of the Dmen ends up being on that level. It's the risk you take every draft though. Just gotta hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 16 minutes ago, KFBR392 said: I think people are just rightly disappointed that we weren't blessed with bit of good luck. We finished as the 3rd worst place team in the league. To walk away with the 5th pick, considering who the top 3 are - hurts a bit. It would be nice if something just went our way for once. Basically having a choice between a potential 1st line centre and the best d-man in a deep first round sounds pretty fortunate to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMillerTime Posted May 6, 2016 Author Share Posted May 6, 2016 2 hours ago, Mrbigyellowbus said: Well there's nothing wrong with Alzner per se, but I would be disappointed if the player we pick at #5 is of equal calibre. About Dal Coller, you're right, he may end up being a solid nhl'er. Chistov had 19 goals, and 61 points in 196 nhl games. Would you be happy if that's the stat line of our pick? He put up solid numbers in his 1st 2 years then it looks like Ducks never gave him a chance after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFBR392 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 12 minutes ago, theminister said: Basically having a choice between a potential 1st line centre and the best d-man in a deep first round sounds pretty fortunate to me. I'm not unhappy with a 5th. It's pretty clear we'll end up with a good player regardless. I'm just unhappy that we didn't crack the top 3, despite how hilariously obvious it was that we'd never be blessed with that kind of luck regardless of our position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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