Ducks show interest in Travis Green, what this means for Utica.

[Camel Toe Drag]

"Elliotte Friedman reported Thursday on the "Headlines" segment that it's believed long-time NHLer and current Utica Comets coach Travis Green is among the list of candidates in consideration to succeed Bruce Boudreau as head coach of the Anaheim Ducks."

"Friedman noted that Green has connections inside the organization, and Ben Kuzma of the Vancouver Provincehas since reported that Green has previously been linked to the job."

This aricle is written by Justin Cuthbert, not me.

This is a big pill to swallow for us seeing Green has been phenomenal so far with Utica and our young players. I have no doubt Green wants to make the jump to the big leagues, which leaves us with a coaching vacancy down in Utica. What's everyone's' opinion on the subject? And ultimately what does it mean short term for our current prospects playing under him?

 

[orcasgonewild]

I don't know if you know this or not, but can someone shed some light for me. If green leaves Utica do the Canucks get a compensation pick like we did for tortorella? 

[NucksPatsFan]

I don't know how well a rookie NHL coach will do with a heavy veteran-presence team. I don't see guys like Perry, Getzlaf and Kesler  as personalities who will be buying too much into what a guy who's proven nothing at the NHL level has to say. 

[Ghostsof1915]

Sportsnet reporters seem to think Green is short listed for a whole bunch of NHL jobs. 

 

I think they know Vancouver fans are concerned and they know it will get readership/ratings. 

 

 

[goblix]

On 5/6/2016 at 9:17 AM, orcasgonewild said:

I don't know if you know this or not, but can someone shed some light for me. If green leaves Utica do the Canucks get a compensation pick like we did for tortorella? 

I don't think so, Think the situations are different in that we fired Torts and are still paying him contract money, signing to a new team means we are paying a portion to coach against us which is likely why the compensation is in place.

 

The other way, teams will seek permission to request to talk to AHL coaches and even assistant coaches / GMs. I believe the Canucks do have the right to veto any deal that does come through the pipeline but honestly your crushing an unbelievable chance for Green and no organization is going to do that.

 

I'll try to find some stuff online but that is my reasoning on the difference lol. Hope he doesn't choose the ducks, I think he'd be better off with a less pressure and more of a rebuilding state. Calgary maybe.

 

interesting find, never saw this until today.. but the whole compensation thing is over.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-to-end-coach-and-executive-compensation-policy/c-791590

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PEBBLE BEACH, Calif. -- Draft-pick compensation for the hiring of coaches and executives from other teams will be eliminated, effective Jan. 1, Commissioner Gary Bettman said Tuesday following the completion of the Board of Governors meeting.

 

[Mackcanuck]

There will be no compensation, it was killed this year at the GM meetings.

as far as the Toterella signing

We are the last team that will be compensated and CLB must declare in which year by this June !st

Green has 1 year left on his AHL contract that has an out clause for the NHL

[VegasCanuck]

45 minutes ago, Camel Toe Drag said:

"Elliotte Friedman reported Thursday on the "Headlines" segment that it's believed long-time NHLer and current Utica Comets coach Travis Green is among the list of candidates in consideration to succeed Bruce Boudreau as head coach of the Anaheim Ducks."

"Friedman noted that Green has connections inside the organization, and Ben Kuzma of the Vancouver Provincehas since reported that Green has previously been linked to the job."

This aricle is written by Justin Cuthbert, not me.

This is a big pill to swallow for us seeing Green has been phenomenal so far with Utica and our young players. I have no doubt Green wants to make the jump to the big leagues, which leaves us with a coaching vacancy down in Utica. What's everyone's' opinion on the subject? And ultimately what does it mean short term for our current prospects playing under him?

 

Will not be at all surprised if Green gets an NHL coaching gig this summer, but not sure if Anaheim is going to be willing to go the route of someone untested at the NHL level.

 

Their time to win with Getzlaf, Perry and Kesler is right now. All are in their 30's now and although Anaheim has a solid talent pool, Kesler went there for another shot at the cup, and I'm sure Getzlaf and Perry are likely in the same position.

 

Whatever happens, can only wish the best for Green. As much as I'd like to see him stay, he has been invaluable to Utica and the development of the kids we've got there.

 

[Fanuck]

While I like most of JB's views on how to build a franchise, I don't like this one.  He was recently quoted on TSN radio as saying that Green is a good coach who's done a lot for the organization with regards to Utica and getting the prospects ready for pro-hockey - and if he gets picked up by another team, thanks for your service and good luck to you essentially.

 

If he's such a good coach/mentor (and we know he is) they should protect him.  How easy would it be to get him behind the bench in Vancouver for a season as an associate?  He could easily spend 1, maybe 2 years here knowing he's 'in-line' so to speak for the head coaching position. 

 

Now if he doesn't want to be in Van as an associate coach, I can understand that too - it would be a pretty big loss for this organization though IMO. 

[stawns]

27 minutes ago, NucksPatsFan said:

I don't know how well a rookie NHL coach will do with a heavy veteran-presence team. I don't see guys like Perry, Getzlaf and Kesler  as personalities who will be buying too much into what a guy who's proven nothing at the NHL level has to say. 

agreed, I wouldn't want that gig as my first job.......especially considering there is obviously something afoul with that group as they have chronically underachieved regardless of the coach.  

[Ghostsof1915]

2 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

While I like most of JB's views on how to build a franchise, I don't like this one.  He was recently quoted on TSN radio as saying that Green is a good coach who's done a lot for the organization with regards to Utica and getting the prospects ready for pro-hockey - and if he gets picked up by another team, thanks for your service and good luck to you essentially.

 

If he's such a good coach/mentor (and we know he is) they should protect him.  How easy would it be to get him behind the bench in Vancouver for a season as an associate?  He could easily spend 1, maybe 2 years here knowing he's 'in-line' so to speak for the head coaching position. 

 

Now if he doesn't want to be in Van as an associate coach, I can understand that too - it would be a pretty big loss for this organization though IMO. 

If you ran a company. And your best trainer for your company is being treated well. Then another new company starts up, and you're worried of losing that employee. Do you promote him/her to VP HR? Or if they move on, it sucks but that's business. 

[stawns]

25 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Sportsnet reporters seem to think Green is short listed for a whole bunch of NHL jobs. 

 

I think they know Vancouver fans are concerned and they know it will get readership/ratings. 

 

 

or......he actually is

[VegasCanuck]

5 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

While I like most of JB's views on how to build a franchise, I don't like this one.  He was recently quoted on TSN radio as saying that Green is a good coach who's done a lot for the organization with regards to Utica and getting the prospects ready for pro-hockey - and if he gets picked up by another team, thanks for your service and good luck to you essentially.

 

If he's such a good coach/mentor (and we know he is) they should protect him.  How easy would it be to get him behind the bench in Vancouver for a season as an associate?  He could easily spend 1, maybe 2 years here knowing he's 'in-line' so to speak for the head coaching position. 

 

Now if he doesn't want to be in Van as an associate coach, I can understand that too - it would be a pretty big loss for this organization though IMO. 

Only real other option would be to bring him to Vancouver as an assistant / coach in waiting, but that's not really fair to Willie either. Willie deserves a fair shot to start the year and show what he can do with a healthy roster.

[Ghostsof1915]

4 minutes ago, stawns said:

or......he actually is

That's possible, but Anaheim as others pointed out doesn't seem to be a good fit for a rookie NHL coach. But then again maybe his handling of players like Prust, and Higgins was the thing that opened peoples eyes. After all the Yote's just hired an under 30 rookie GM. 

[Toews]

7 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

While I like most of JB's views on how to build a franchise, I don't like this one.  He was recently quoted on TSN radio as saying that Green is a good coach who's done a lot for the organization with regards to Utica and getting the prospects ready for pro-hockey - and if he gets picked up by another team, thanks for your service and good luck to you essentially.

 

If he's such a good coach/mentor (and we know he is) they should protect him.  How easy would it be to get him behind the bench in Vancouver for a season as an associate?  He could easily spend 1, maybe 2 years here knowing he's 'in-line' so to speak for the head coaching position. 

 

Now if he doesn't want to be in Van as an associate coach, I can understand that too - it would be a pretty big loss for this organization though IMO. 

If he were being promoted to the NHL as an assistant coach, they would need to renegotiate his contract I believe. So he would have every right to decline that promotion and continue looking for a head coaching job. 

 

Can't prevent the guy leaving if he gets an offer, he has an out clause. 

[elvis15]

He'll get calls I'm sure, but isn't as likely he'll get picked up by a veteran team. I'm sure Green saw what happened with Johnston in Pittsburgh, and I think he'd like a little more leeway to grow with the role on a younger team. Plenty of varied opportunities though.

 

But right, this is the Utica sub-forum, so what does it mean for them. Well, it means a change in coach and systems potentially if he does move on, but no idea other than that since it'd totally depend on who we hired as the replacement. Kinda a silly question to ask since we could end up with someone who is very similar and it won't mean much change at all.

 

The players are the players though, every one has a different relationship with their coach. Some will like the new coach more while some will prefer Green.

[timberz21]

Would it suck to see him go, of course...but it's not like we letting Babcock or Bowman go either.

 

There is a big difference between a good player developer and a good coach.  Ultimately, when you get to the NHL, it's much more about winning then developing.  Also rare are rookie head coach that brings bottom teams to contenders.  The one that does usually has a solid base to work with.  We all know what happen to Eakins.

 

I'd rather see Green get some NHL experience elsewhere and come back once a little more seasoned (just like our team).

[Fanuck]

18 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

If you ran a company. And your best trainer for your company is being treated well. Then another new company starts up, and you're worried of losing that employee. Do you promote him/her to VP HR? Or if they move on, it sucks but that's business. 

Valid point.

 

However, if I ran a company and one of my mid-level VP's of a certain department had shown well above average ability and was a clear asset to my company, and I knew he was being approached by other companies looking to poach his services - I would go out of my way to keep him in the organization some way somehow.

 

But I get it, it's a business and there are a lot of moving parts, individuals and organizations have goals/objectives/plans/etc....

 

I really hope Green stays in the franchise and if he doesn't, thanks and good luck! 

[Ghostsof1915]

9 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

Valid point.

 

However, if I ran a company and one of my mid-level VP's of a certain department had shown well above average ability and was a clear asset to my company, and I knew he was being approached by other companies looking to poach his services - I would go out of my way to keep him in the organization some way somehow.

 

But I get it, it's a business and there are a lot of moving parts, individuals and organizations have goals/objectives/plans/etc....

 

I really hope Green stays in the franchise and if he doesn't, thanks and good luck! 

I get what you are saying. But to promote Green to deny another team, and Green of a head coaching job is a bit much. I'd understand if players under him came back to Vancouver and were putting up 40 points, and we'd won back to back AHL championships sure. If WD said he'd really like Green to compliment his staff as a way to improve special teams, and work with young players that's a different story. 

[UticaHockey]

As much as I would hate to see Travis Green leave Utica I sincerely hope that he gets the Anaheim job.  Greener has done a tremendous job with the Comets and has won with a roster that has lacked high end talent when compared to other AHL competition.

 

Anaheim would be the perfect location for him.  Last year the Comets wore special jerseys during autism awareness night which they auctioned off after the game with the proceeds donated to a local center that provides autism spectrum services. Green spoke to the media how this game had special meaning to him because he has an autistic child and it's tough being away from his family back in Anaheim.  It would be great if he can get his first NHL job in an area where his family can be together.  (Yes I realize that he could move his family to any NHL city)

 

I know that it is popular opinion on message boards and social media that the Canucks should fire Willie D and promote Travis Green to the head coach position.  But Willie had just as much AHL success (actually more) than Travis plus a longer list of success in juniors.  Vancouver is in a rebuild and very likely in for a couple of seasons without any playoff success before the next core of the team have grown to the point where they can lead the team to the next level.  A coach that is brought in early in the rebuild is hardly ever there to enjoy the later success.  My guess is Travis Green would be run out of town by the Vancouver media and fan base just as quickly as everyone is turning on Willie D.

[Boudrias]

1 hour ago, UticaHockey said:

As much as I would hate to see Travis Green leave Utica I sincerely hope that he gets the Anaheim job.  Greener has done a tremendous job with the Comets and has won with a roster that has lacked high end talent when compared to other AHL competition.

 

Anaheim would be the perfect location for him.  Last year the Comets wore special jerseys during autism awareness night which they auctioned off after the game with the proceeds donated to a local center that provides autism spectrum services. Green spoke to the media how this game had special meaning to him because he has an autistic child and it's tough being away from his family back in Anaheim.  It would be great if he can get his first NHL job in an area where his family can be together.  (Yes I realize that he could move his family to any NHL city)

 

I know that it is popular opinion on message boards and social media that the Canucks should fire Willie D and promote Travis Green to the head coach position.  But Willie had just as much AHL success (actually more) than Travis plus a longer list of success in juniors.  Vancouver is in a rebuild and very likely in for a couple of seasons without any playoff success before the next core of the team have grown to the point where they can lead the team to the next level.  A coach that is brought in early in the rebuild is hardly ever there to enjoy the later success.  My guess is Travis Green would be run out of town by the Vancouver media and fan base just as quickly as everyone is turning on Willie D.

The Fan base was in swoon mode when Desjardin choose Vancouver over Pitt! Many fans here are not very knowledgeable. Willie is a easy excuse for lack of success on the ice. I like Green and don't want to lose him but Desjardin has at least another year here and maybe two.