MaxVerstappen33 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Almost everyone in Van wants to tear the team down just because the Leafs lucked out and scooped the 1st over all pick in a strong draft. And I'll admit that the Leafs look good right now. It worked for them. The highest the Stars drafted since 2008 is 8th. They picked 12th, 14th 10th 13th 14th 11th 8th and 59th in the last 8 seasons. We already have a couple higher picks then they ever had. And we have better goaltending already. So I think we should move on from that and just trade or sign a couple big names. Jim Nill managed to acquire Spezza, Seguin and Sharp and make a team with some pretty ordinary draft positions. Dallas is winning We could make good use of the Sedins last couple seasons if we follow the Dallas model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelicHearts Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Are the "Just do what ___ did" threads the new "___? Do we really need him?" threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted May 6, 2016 Author Share Posted May 6, 2016 1 minute ago, AngelicHearts said: Are the "Just do what ___ did" threads the new "___? Do we really need him?" threads? how many just do whats are there ? i seen one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Our chance has Benn & gone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spotted Zebra Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Okay let's trade for a top player in the game for peanuts relatively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Nazzy91 Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 13 minutes ago, LolClarkson said: Almost everyone in Van wants to tear the team down just because the Leafs lucked out and scooped the 1st over all pick in a strong draft. I don't think everyone wants the Canucks to tank completely and turn into the next Toronto. Or maybe I'm crazy. Or maybe both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 i hope they "just do "what any team that sucked did to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Ya, Benn was a head scratcher. Not sure why he was passed on so many times in the draft. Gillis was his agent too before he got the GM job in Vancouver. We always here about these scouting trips that take place half way across the world but there should be a number of people that are constantly scouting the BCHL. There's literally no reason why Benning shouldn't have 6 or 7 scouts that strictly watch BCHL games. It's a tough pill to swallow when guys like Benn, playing right here in BC get passed over 4 or 5 times and then turn out to be superstars. I'd be curious what they saw in Benn that they didn't like? I know his mom and she would tell me that Jordie was always the hard worker of the 2 but Jamie just had that natural skill. So maybe it was his work ethic that scared them off? Whatever it was, clearly it's a thing of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maginator Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 I see where you're coming from, and I agree. We have some solid pieces in the Sedins, Hansen, Markstrom, Edler, and Sutter. We have some young guns in Horvat, Virtanen, McCann, and Tryamkin. The way I see it, if we acquire the right players we can be competitive. Some scoring forwards with grit ex) Okposo, Ladd, Weise, Lucic, Abdelkader and maybe a top 4 defenceman. I know I will get the "we will get knocked out in the first round or barely make the post-season", but the reality is once you make the playoffs anything can happen. We have already hit our bottom as OP has stated with two top 10 picks in the last three years. There is no need to sink down any further, we have a solid foundation. Besides, as we have seen there is no guarantee in landing a top 3 pick in the lottery. What Dallas has done takes guts but I believe in Benning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 1 hour ago, LolClarkson said: Almost everyone in Van wants to tear the team down just because the Leafs lucked out and scooped the 1st over all pick in a strong draft. And I'll admit that the Leafs look good right now. It worked for them. The highest the Stars drafted since 2008 is 8th. They picked 12th, 14th 10th 13th 14th 11th 8th and 59th in the last 8 seasons. We already have a couple higher picks then they ever had. And we have better goaltending already. So I think we should move on from that and just trade or sign a couple big names. Jim Nill managed to acquire Spezza, Seguin and Sharp and make a team with some pretty ordinary draft positions. Dallas is winning We could make good use of the Sedins last couple seasons if we follow the Dallas model. I tried bringing that example up with the Tankerz. Apparently Dallas is a fluke never to be repeated. You literally can't argue with their logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Dallas is an interesting case and in some areas I could see how Vancouver could emulate them. For instance, they got Eakin for Ribeiro (their previous #2 center), and of course they got Seguin+ for Eriksson+. The closest comparable moves would obviously revolve around the Twins given that they should decide to waive their clauses. They also have a variety of youth contributing, which the local team is beginning to accumulate. However, the similarities just might end there. Jamie Benn for instance was a 0.5 p.p.g. scorer at the NHL level in his first season, but really started receiving attention after developing and having Tyler join the team. They had a star on the team, but just needed running mates. Obviously it'd also be difficult to draft and expect a 5th round D to blossom the way Klingberg has, and we'd be lucky if any of Hutton/ Subban/ Stecher comes close to what he has become. Dallas is also in the phase of their team's window where building to contend has become a priority, and they've managed to build an offensive group by essentially stealing Spezza (struggling/ developing Chiasson, 2nd, two mid-round prospects who they could afford to give up) and Sharp (with Johns who's in their top-4, for Daley who wasn't performing, and depth guy in Garbutt-- Hawks did this due to cap constraints). Currently this team isn't in the position to trade away prospects for stars, but it's also a good idea to deal for NHL-ready young players, so I guess to some extent they would emulate stealing NHL players from cap or talent-heavy teams. Hopefully Trader Jim can live up to his title again and make the most of Vrbata, Burr and Miller should they find trade partners for them to really jump-start the rebuild, similar in ways to what Jim Nill did with his vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share Posted May 7, 2016 2 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Our chance has Benn & gone... Bah Benn sucks I'm Olli Jokinin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 We don't want to just win, we want a Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorevat Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Dallas fleeced tyler seguin off of boston and in hindsight i doubt boston does the trade over again. The chances of JB fleecing a team to get a player like lets say jack eichel, are pretty low. Bad player example because seguin apparently had off ice issues but you get the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 lol do what dallas did.. do we have a jamie benn somewhere in the organization? nope.. seguin was traded for eriksson not exactly scrapes.. do we have a eriksson that we can trade for a legitimate top line player? nope.. do we have the prospect and picks to trade for a spezza? nope.. so how do you propose going about doing what dallas did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share Posted May 7, 2016 8 minutes ago, Kassassinate said: Dallas fleeced tyler seguin off of boston and in hindsight i doubt boston does the trade over again. The chances of JB fleecing a team to get a player like lets say jack eichel, are pretty low. Bad player example because seguin apparently had off ice issues but you get the idea. The Canucks stole Loungo and Naslund. Erhoff and Higgins were theft for what we got out of them. I'd rather go the trade route. We've had some success at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Wilbur said: I tried bringing that example up with the Tankerz. Apparently Dallas is a fluke never to be repeated. You literally can't argue with their logic. You brought up this example. I then asked you if it was reasonable to expect the Canucks to draft a top 5 forward and #1D in the 5th round. If Dallas was so amazing at scouting they would not have drafted guys like Guryanov, Nichushkin and Faksa with their top picks. So yes luck did play a huge part in it as did Boston's stupidity. Maybe the Canucks can repeat all of that but I doubt it. But they don't need to, this team has 3 top 10 picks and a bunch of nice pieces. If they tank another year and finish with another one that will be just fine too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 14 minutes ago, Kassassinate said: Dallas fleeced tyler seguin off of boston and in hindsight i doubt boston does the trade over again. The chances of JB fleecing a team to get a player like lets say jack eichel, are pretty low. Bad player example because seguin apparently had off ice issues but you get the idea. There is no one on the Canucks like Eriksson either. Maybe if they did then a trade for Drouin could have been worked out. Even then Stevie Y is a much better GM than Chiarelli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share Posted May 7, 2016 10 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: lol do what dallas did.. do we have a jamie benn somewhere in the organization? nope.. seguin was traded for eriksson not exactly scrapes.. do we have a eriksson that we can trade for a legitimate top line player? nope.. do we have the prospect and picks to trade for a spezza? nope.. so how do you propose going about doing what dallas did? Quote do we have a jamie benn somewhere in the organization? nope.. s Good thing you can look into the future and see what Virtanen, McCan and Boeser turn out to be. Quote so how do you propose going about doing what dallas did? We have higher picks then Dallas did. We have prospects. We have money. We don't have bad contracts on the books. We have Edler, Hansen, Sutter, Sedins.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Even if we did the build route as the TANKERS suggest. Teams like Chicago,LA and Anaheim are still golfing after the first round and Dallas is still in it. Washington is also close to an early round exit as well. Get the players from wherever(draft,trade,UFA) and entertain us with some good hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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