(Disscussion) What I Would Like To Do If...

[TheGuardian]

Okay, the Canucks are a team going in the wrong direction right now.

Their two star players might end up like Jagr but...time is weighing on them.

The re-build/re-tool looks to be another 4 to 5 years if lucky.

Luck didn't help the Nucks at the draft lottery and could be a crap shoot for years yet.

 

Now, if I was GM, and I am trying to take salary cap hit, finances, age and hopefully a realistic approach to kick starting the team into the other direction, I start with trades.

 

To Columbus for their 1rst, take on Clarkson and his contract, free's up money for the BJ's other players, lowers cap hit and is essentially trading money, Offer up Tanev and Hansen plus next year's 1rst for their #1, Clarkson and ?, be it a money or minor player (Fauk maybe) This may work because it could put the BJ's in the playoffs immediately and need money, Tort's liked Tanev and Hansen.

 

To Winnipeg for their 1rst and next year's 2nd, this year's 1rst, Markstrom, Horvat, and Virtanen.  This allows the Jets money to sign Trouba and Scheifele, replace Ladd and stay under the cap.

 

See about swinging a deal with NYI for Hamonic or re-sign Hamhuis and look into the FA market,

 

For the Nucks it hopefully nets both Finns, it isn't instant playoffs but then there is the RFA and FA market.

 

Defence would still have Edler, Hutton, Biega, Tryamkin, Weber, Pedan, Fedun, Bartowski, Hamhuis and others in the system. Defence would still need the "stud" guy, but that could happen within 3 years.

 

Forwards, the team might/would have the Sedin replacements for the next decade or more, the Finns, Sedins, Dorsett, Sutter, Baerstchi, McCann, Etem, Grandlund, Burrows, Higgins, Rodin, Guance, Clarkson and maybe Kenins., not yet a cup contending group, but in one to two years could see something for the Sedins.

 

Goaltending, would be set with Miller, Demko and Garteig. Again a couple of years out. Demko a season in the AHL or not.

 

AND THEN, Benning's reputation for being a super scout can uncover a gem or two in the draft, the scouts know to look for the next "stud" dman, many Norris trophy winners and runner up's were taken in the second round in the 50 's, 2017 deadline day trades would be made for draft picks any pick at all no matter the optics. Have to make room for the expansion draft.

 

At the expansion draft or just prior to it, the Nucks deal a few prospects/picks (received on deadline day) for players team's might not be able to protect, there should be a few out there.

 

Expansion draft, leave both of the Sedins unprotected, likelihood is Vegas will not go for just one, and if they do, deal for their 1rst pick, not precisely sure of the rules but I believe the Nucks will have so many players exempt they would have room for one or two from another team.  I wonder if that room can be traded for?

 

In 2018, the team is in the playoffs and moving up. Good FA's fill in the second line when the Sedin's 14 mil and Burrow's 4.5 mil cap hits come free.

 

Non of the players I "dealt" have trade clauses, all are decent to good, all would likely help catapult teams into the playoffs but just aren't what the Nucks need right now. With the number of "new" players the cap would not be an issue and the owner has stated that money is no object more than once.

 

A comment is likely to be "I'd trade Edler", okay but two things here, one, his NTC, second, Torts really liked Tanev, hence his opinion may influencing a deal.

 

This surely looks like over payment now, but in three years it might be talked about being a steal. On the whole it seems to be a good deal for all teams' mentioned and could still be added to.

 

Like I stated before, with the other teams in the division either improving or not getting a whole lot worse for the next 2 years or so the Canucks are not likely to crack the playoff nut for a couple of years, longer if they have to wait 3 years or so to see if the player they pick today is a "foundation" player or not. And a "foundation" player means a somewhat productive NHL players, something like Higgins, Booth, Burrows, Horvat or Hansen. 

[Gstank29]

3 minutes ago, TheGuardian said:

Okay, the Canucks are a team going in the wrong direction right now.

Their two star players might end up like Jagr but...time is weighing on them.

The re-build/re-tool looks to be another 4 to 5 years if lucky.

Luck didn't help the Nucks at the draft lottery and could be a crap shoot for years yet.

 

Now, if I was GM, and I am trying to take salary cap hit, finances, age and hopefully a realistic approach to kick starting the team into the other direction, I start with trades.

 

To Columbus for their 1rst, take on Clarkson and his contract, free's up money for the BJ's other players, lowers cap hit and is essentially trading money, Offer up Tanev and Hansen plus next year's 1rst for their #1, Clarkson and ?, be it a money or minor player (Fauk maybe) This may work because it could put the BJ's in the playoffs immediately and need money, Tort's liked Tanev and Hansen.

 

To Winnipeg for their 1rst and next year's 2nd, this year's 1rst, Markstrom, Horvat, and Virtanen.  This allows the Jets money to sign Trouba and Scheifele, replace Ladd and stay under the cap.

 

See about swinging a deal with NYI for Hamonic or re-sign Hamhuis and look into the FA market,

 

For the Nucks it hopefully nets both Finns, it isn't instant playoffs but then there is the RFA and FA market.

 

Defence would still have Edler, Hutton, Biega, Tryamkin, Weber, Pedan, Fedun, Bartowski, Hamhuis and others in the system. Defence would still need the "stud" guy, but that could happen within 3 years.

 

Forwards, the team might/would have the Sedin replacements for the next decade or more, the Finns, Sedins, Dorsett, Sutter, Baerstchi, McCann, Etem, Grandlund, Burrows, Higgins, Rodin, Guance, Clarkson and maybe Kenins., not yet a cup contending group, but in one to two years could see something for the Sedins.

 

Goaltending, would be set with Miller, Demko and Garteig. Again a couple of years out. Demko a season in the AHL or not.

 

AND THEN, Benning's reputation for being a super scout can uncover a gem or two in the draft, the scouts know to look for the next "stud" dman, many Norris trophy winners taken in the second round in the 50 's, deadline day trades would be made for draft picks any pick at all no matter the optics. Have to make room for the expansion draft.

 

At the expansion draft or just prior to it, the Nucks deal a few prospects/picks (received on deadline day) for players team's might not be able to protect, there should be a few out there.

 

Expansion draft, leave both of the Sedins unprotected, likelihood is Vegas will not go for just one, and if they do, deal for their 1rst pick, not precisely sure of the rules but I believe the Nucks will have so many players exempt they would have room for one or two from another team.  I wonder if that room can be traded for?

 

In 2018, the team is in the playoffs and moving up. Good FA's fill in the second line when the Sedin's 14 mil and Burrow's 4.5 mil cap hits come free.

 

Non of the players I "dealt" have trade clauses, all are decent to good, all would likely help catapult teams into the playoffs but just aren't what the Nucks need right now. With the number of "new" players the cap would not be an issue and the owner has stated that money is no object more than once.

 

A comment is likely to be "I'd trade Edler", okay but two things here, one, his NTC, second, Torts really liked Tanev, hence his opinion may influencing a deal.

 

This surely looks like over payment now, but in three years it might be talked about being a steal. On the whole it seems to be a good deal for all teams' mentioned and could still be added to.

 

Like I stated before, with the other teams in the division either improving or not getting a whole lot worse for the next 2 years or so the Canucks are not likely to crack the playoff nut for a couple of years, longer if they have to wait 3 years or so to see if the player they pick today is a "foundation" player or not. And a "foundation" player means a somewhat productive NHL players, something like Higgins, Booth, Burrows, Horvat or Hansen. 

Lets get rid of all our young promising players for draft picks, CDC logic

 

Also those 2 trades are horrible

[TheGuardian]

Just now, Gstank29 said:

Lets get rid of all our young promising players for draft picks, CDC logic

 

Also those 2 trades are horrible

Indeed, it is called over payment, BUT, if the Finns end up being as good as advertised they will far surpass any of the forwards mentioned. One other reason is that they have low salaries. The main idea is offers that they can't say no to or if they do they look bad. Could you imagine the BJ's or the Jets saying no, then not making the playoffs? Followed up by losing a key player in expansion. These offers would likely put either team into the playoffs for years, that's millions of dollars. The other nice thing is they are not in the Nucks division. 

 

Besides wouldn't it be entertaining to watch these kids play?

 

A comparison might be the Sedins and Kesler. While Kesler was good he couldn't carry the team the way the Sedins have.

 

[Warhippy]

So.

 

Tell us how in any world that trade is attractive to winnipeg.  How?  They could just trade Trouba for a ransom, or Myers, or any number of guys...while Horvat and this years first might have value, it literally does NOTHING in regards to giving them cap space to keep those guys

 

And how is that enticing to columbus?  We'll give you a shart stained offer for a bad contract and a 1st.

 

Honestly man...

[elvis15]

I stopped reading at Clarkson. You do realize he's signed until 2020 right?

[Fanuck]

18 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

So.

 

Tell us how in any world that trade is attractive to winnipeg.  How?  They could just trade Trouba for a ransom, or Myers, or any number of guys...while Horvat and this years first might have value, it literally does NOTHING in regards to giving them cap space to keep those guys

 

And how is that enticing to columbus?  We'll give you a shart stained offer for a bad contract and a 1st.

 

Honestly man...

You somewhat legitimized him by even debating his points, you realize that right? 

[logic]

so are you starting early or still drunk from last night?

[SaintPatrick33]

David Clarkson?? WTF 

 

I think any proposals trying to get into the top 3 should go under White Noise section, great comedy

 

Vey, Sbisa and a 2nd plus Tanev for Lainer

 

McCann, Jake, Markstrom, Edler for Pujjlarvi

 

 

[Nuxfanabroad]

"Torts LIKED Hansen?!"

Umm....

 

& the other way 'round? In the Honey Badger's eyes, Torts probably appears as a poisonous serpent, whose head needs to be bitten off.

[19Nazzy91]

1 hour ago, TheGuardian said:

Okay, the Canucks are a team going in the wrong direction right now.

Ah, like all of CDC you must be right. Because you know much more than two former NHL players who have been hired to keep this team competitive.

Are they going in the wrong direction? Maybe, but in the last few years since Benning came along we've gained players like Markstrom, Mccann, Boeser, Virtanen, Granlund, Subban, Stecher, Demko, Garteig and so and so forth. What prospects did we have under the Gillis era? Horvat was the only really good one. And... that's about it. Shinkaruk too I guess. Cassels? Kassian? I can't think of anymore. It's at least a step in the right direction, let Benning and Trevor do their jobs.

[TheGuardian]

AND out come all the crack pots that can't understand what the words mean. Go ahead and put your meaning to the words, what the heck it isn't fun unless you totally screw up the meanings now is it?

 

What part of the word "I" is hard to understand? Some of you must have real confidence issues!

 

But I am here to entertain you so;

 

Why Clarkson? For the very reason you all scream about how bad the contract is, duh! If it looks bad for the Nucks to take on, imagine how grateful Columbus would be to get rid of it, I know it may be a leap, but how bad it is ADD's to the value of any Canuck offer. The Canucks could afford to bury this contract in the minors, if they choose because they have the money and cap space to do so, Columbus lost money again this year, it could be looked at in the form of Vancouver including $10 mil cash in a deal. 

 

For other's on the thread, if Benning and Linden are such "gods", why did the team stink? I know, they did just it to be nice to the other teams and give them a turn right? Benning and Linden have no peers, they are intellectual geniuses that after hockey they will cure cancer.

 

The list of "great players" that Benning etal are credited with include no less than 4 players that haven't played a NHL game, one that isn't even signed yet. and a combined total of 87 pts between the rest in 462 games. Plan the parade.

 

If in my "What I would do" title I mislead you, it was sure easy, I apologize. I will try to use smaller words in the future and if you could give some kind of idea of how you think things should go other than "because it's his job", jobs I should remind you that get changed all the time, I am sure that it might be good reading.

 

Okay, if Hansen doesn't get the job done, then throw in someone else, the team was 6 points out of dead last, I would take the chance on being 2 points worse if it got me the two Finns.

 

My next thread will be , "Why we don't want the Finns" because Benning and Linden can't figure out how to get them? Don't want them? Want long term re-build for job security? 

[TheGuardian]

Right, new info with regards to Clarkson's contract, back loaded? What a horror show.

I didn't know it was that bad.

 

Knowing that now I would think it would not take that much to twist the BJ's arm.

 

Tell them the team is thinking about doing an offer sheet for Jones as part of the deal.

 

The BJ's 1rst and Clarkson

for

Van's 2nd this year, the BJ's 2nd next year (2017) and McCann with no offer sheet.

 

The Nucks will be bad for another 2  years even if the team picks up both Finns this year and Clarkson's contract can be buried in the minors, the team could do that when it becomes necessary, it isn't like they haven't done it before, Ballard spent most of his career with the Nucks riding the pine at 4+ mil a season.

 

This offer is being SUPER generous and I can't see the Columbus's owner declining 37 million when the team is losing money.

[mll]

50 minutes ago, TheGuardian said:

Right, new info with regards to Clarkson's contract, back loaded? What a horror show.

I didn't know it was that bad.

 

Knowing that now I would think it would not take that much to twist the BJ's arm.

 

Tell them the team is thinking about doing an offer sheet for Jones as part of the deal.

 

The BJ's 1rst and Clarkson

for

Van's 2nd this year, the BJ's 2nd next year (2017) and McCann with no offer sheet.

 

The Nucks will be bad for another 2  years even if the team picks up both Finns this year and Clarkson's contract can be buried in the minors, the team could do that when it becomes necessary, it isn't like they haven't done it before, Ballard spent most of his career with the Nucks riding the pine at 4+ mil a season.

 

This offer is being SUPER generous and I can't see the Columbus's owner declining 37 million when the team is losing money.

Clarkson has an NMC - he can't be sent to the minors and he needs to be protected in the expansion draft.  

[TheGuardian]

50 minutes ago, mll said:

Clarkson has an NMC - he can't be sent to the minors and he needs to be protected in the expansion draft.  

Damn, still the Nucks would only have 5 players by that time including him, the Sedins, Hansen, Edler and him.

 

Of the remainder, those that need possible protection;

Baerstchi

Etem

Grandlund

Horvat maybe, unless traded

Tanev maybe, unless traded

 

Not a lot of impact players really and some would be traded for those that don't need protection or other new prospects.

 

If the expansion takes place this year, it will change the draft.