[Proposal] Trading 5th overall

[EagleShield]

Personally, I'm not enamored with either Tkachuk or Dubois as options at #5 - generally there is better available at that point of a draft. I want to look at trading, may be twice, as follows:

 

To VAN: Adam Larsson, 11 overall

To NJD: 5 overall, Anton Cederholm

 

To VAN: 7/8 overall

To ARI/BUF: 11 overall, 63 overall, Cole Cassels

 

In summary - 

 

IN: Larsson, 7th/8th overall (assuming order is Tkachuk, Dubois, Juolevei, we get our choice of Nylander, Sergachev or Chychrun)

OUT: 5th overall, 63rd overall, Cederholm, Cassels.

 

Also worth considering is a trade with the Habs - they likely want Dubois given the French connection, not really sure what we'd want from them in exchange though (we'd need to add a lot more for PK).

 

 

[YEGCanuck]

Your pitch is worthy of consideration. I think Jimbo has to listen to any offers to trade the number five pick. If we can get one of the top ranked defencemen with a lower draft choice, plus a quality prospect why wouldn't we consider such a move.

[Kraken70]

31 minutes ago, EagleShield said:

Personally, I'm not enamored with either Tkachuk or Dubois as options at #5 - generally there is better available at that point of a draft. I want to look at trading, may be twice, as follows:

 

To VAN: Adam Larsson, 11 overall

To NJD: 5 overall, Anton Cederholm

 

To VAN: 7/8 overall

To ARI/BUF: 11 overall, 63 overall, Cole Cassels

 

In summary - 

 

IN: Larsson, 7th/8th overall (assuming order is Tkachuk, Dubois, Juolevei, we get our choice of Nylander, Sergachev or Chychrun)

OUT: 5th overall, 63rd overall, Cederholm, Cassels.

 

Also worth considering is a trade with the Habs - they likely want Dubois given the French connection, not really sure what we'd want from them in exchange though (we'd need to add a lot more for PK).

 

 

I like the first deal but doubt Zona drops out of the top ten.

I am, however, really hoping Vancouver gets Juolevi and would even like to see Benning offer an extra pick to Edmonton to get the fourth pick to guarentee he's a Canuck. I have to believe that they're taking Juolevi at four. Maybe the extra pick entices them to take Sergachev or Chychrin instead.

[Fanuck]

JB listens to everything,  it's standard protocol.   In the end however,  unless someone wants to overpay him, he takes bpa at #5 which seems to be PLD.

 

All of you wishing for this dramatic last moment blockbuster trade to occur at the draft are going to be sorely disappointed imo unfortunately.   How many times does JB have to tell everyone that his philosophy is 'build through the draft '.

[Toews]

Both trades are awful for the other teams. Why would Arizona move down for that pitiful of a return? 

 

The Devils won't be trading Severson either and his value is higher than that.

 

 

[BCNeil]

Wow Arizona or Buffalo trade the 7/8 for the 11.....because of Cassels.

We should do this with all our busted prospects.

[mll]

How is New Jersey's D going to look like without Larsson?  

A 5th overall doesn't bring in a top-pairing D - so why would they even add a pick.  Cederholm spent all of his season in the ECHL.

[LilBurrows]

I don't think we should trade.

[BaerToBo]

I like the 5th OA more because we can get a 1st line centerman with it in Dubois

[Alflives]

51 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

JB listens to everything,  it's standard protocol.   In the end however,  unless someone wants to overpay him, he takes bpa at #5 which seems to be PLD.

 

All of you wishing for this dramatic last moment blockbuster trade to occur at the draft are going to be sorely disappointed imo unfortunately.   How many times does JB have to tell everyone that his philosophy is 'build through the draft '.

Both trade scenarios are OF COURSE not happening, but why have CDC if not to enjoy these types of threads?  

I see the Oilers switching 4 with Arizona's 7.  Zona needs one of those two local boys, and no way do they get Matthews.  Then we might trade spots with the Habs, so they get Dubois.  These OF COURSE are not happening, but it's fun to discuss.

[smithers joe]

or cdc's favourite proposal....higgins, the right to weber and bartkowski and vey for...........

[BCNeil]

These double trades always are fun to add together.

 

So this one in total the Canucks give up

5th, 63rd, Cassels, and Cederholm.

We get 7th/8th and Larsson.  

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, EagleShield said:

Personally, I'm not enamored with either Tkachuk or Dubois as options at #5 - generally there is better available at that point of a draft. I want to look at trading, may be twice, as follows:

 

To VAN: Adam Larsson, 11 overall

To NJD: 5 overall, Anton Cederholm

 

To VAN: 7/8 overall

To ARI/BUF: 11 overall, 63 overall, Cole Cassels

 

In summary - 

 

IN: Larsson, 7th/8th overall (assuming order is Tkachuk, Dubois, Juolevei, we get our choice of Nylander, Sergachev or Chychrun)

OUT: 5th overall, 63rd overall, Cederholm, Cassels.

 

Also worth considering is a trade with the Habs - they likely want Dubois given the French connection, not really sure what we'd want from them in exchange though (we'd need to add a lot more for PK).

 

 

 

NJ has a huge amount of cap space next season and possibly the most UFA/RFAs of any forward lineup. So... do they go crazy in free agency or are they heading to a reset mode? I certainly think they'd love a big kid like Dubois in their lineup next year, but Larsson is probably their #1D next season and beyond. We'd have to package a top line D prospect with that deal and get one of their forward prospects back, and I don't know that we have that yet, and NJs prospect pool doesn't jump off the page at you (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect-rankings/new-jersey-devils-top-20-prospects/)

 

I do think there might be a better deal to be had with Montreal tho... they do love their home province guys there. But I'm not convinced that any move is better than one of Tkachuck or Dubois in the long run, and if JB lands one of Barrie or Vatannen then we definitely should keep the #5 pick. 

 

 

 

[Jam126]

9 minutes ago, smithers joe said:

or cdc's favourite proposal....higgins, the right to weber and bartkowski and vey for...........

Sidney Crosby. 

[Down by the River]

1 hour ago, Kraken70 said:

I like the first deal but doubt Zona drops out of the top ten.

I am, however, really hoping Vancouver gets Juolevi and would even like to see Benning offer an extra pick to Edmonton to get the fourth pick to guarentee he's a Canuck. I have to believe that they're taking Juolevi at four. Maybe the extra pick entices them to take Sergachev or Chychrin instead.

Oilers will not take Juolevi at 4 because he is about 3 years away from being NHL-ready (don't get me wrong, he's my favorite dman in the draft). The Oilers will either take Tkachuk, trade down, or flip the pick for an NHL dman. With Fowler/Lindholm/Theordore/Vatanen, I see Anaheim being a good team for the Oilers to trade with.

[Fateless]

Quite frankly the only deal that makes sense in my head is dropping from the 5th pick position down to 7th or 8th. I want us to take a D in the first round this year and I'd be happy with any of the top 3 options. I trade down while picking up either a solid prospect or a mediocre prospect + 2nd rounder and see what we can do from there.

[Kraken70]

2 hours ago, Down by the River said:

Oilers will not take Juolevi at 4 because he is about 3 years away from being NHL-ready (don't get me wrong, he's my favorite dman in the draft). The Oilers will either take Tkachuk, trade down, or flip the pick for an NHL dman. With Fowler/Lindholm/Theordore/Vatanen, I see Anaheim being a good team for the Oilers to trade with.

Even if true, I would still want to guarantee we get him by moving into 4th (if possible).

[goblix]

2 hours ago, Down by the River said:

Oilers will not take Juolevi at 4 because he is about 3 years away from being NHL-ready (don't get me wrong, he's my favorite dman in the draft). The Oilers will either take Tkachuk, trade down, or flip the pick for an NHL dman. With Fowler/Lindholm/Theordore/Vatanen, I see Anaheim being a good team for the Oilers to trade with.

I can't see Anaheim trading a defenceman to the Oilers unless it's for quite a pretty penny. The 4th would be a good starting point but for Fowler or Vatanen I think there would be just as enticing offers for them in the central or east divisions.

 

I like the framework on the first NJD trade but doubt they do that we would need to add a serious prospect or enticing piece back to them since Cederholm is not a big deal maker...

the Arizona trade makes no sense for either team I think. Canucks have their added young dman to the mix so just pick BPA at the 11th and keep the latter assets. I would hope for Brown at 11th spot which would be a good pick IMO.

[oldnews]

You're not getting Larsson and the 11th for that pick - and Cederholm doesn't close that gap.