Isis gunmen kill 16 Real Madrid supporters in Iraq cafe...

[ShakyWalton]

16 Real Madrid supporters were shot dead and 20 injured in a Iraqi cafe..Isis has claimed responsibility because they say soccer is anti muslim....

 

http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/real-madrid-supporters-iraq-attack-gunmen-islamic-state-051316

[Alflives]

8 minutes ago, ShakyWalton said:

16 Real Madrid supporters were shot dead and 20 injured in a Iraqi cafe..Isis has claimed responsibility because they say soccer is anti muslim....

 

http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/real-madrid-supporters-iraq-attack-gunmen-islamic-state-051316

Thanks for posting Shaky.  It's a very sad story, but reminds us of how blessed we are to cheer for our teams in safety.  

[Wilbur]

Interesting that I don't see it near the top of either the CTV or CBC news sites.  I guess it's because the attack is in Iraq...

[ShakyWalton]

 

[nuckin_futz]

16 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

Interesting that I don't see it near the top of either the CTV or CBC news sites.  I guess it's because the attack is in Iraq...

Car bomb attacks in Baghdad kill at least 90

A string of car bomb attacks across Baghdad has killed at least 90 people, making it the Iraqi capital’s deadliest day this year.

 

Islamic State claimed responsibility for the largest blast, at a marketplace in the Shia neighbourhood of Sadr City, which killed at least 63 people.

 

Two other blasts targeted the Shia neighbourhoods of Kadhimiya, in the north of the city, the site of one of the main Shia Islamic shrines, and Hurriya.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/11/baghdad-car-bomb-kills-dozens-sadr-city

 

This was 3 days ago. It barely made the news cycle. Makes you wonder how many people would have to be blown apart for people to notice.

[Mr.Habitat]

Murdering people in cold blood is anti human 

[DIBdaQUIB]

1 minute ago, Mr.Habitat said:

Murdering people in cold blood is anti human 

Unfortunately, it is all too human.  One constant throughout history is humankind's propensity for murder and slaughter.

[ReggieBush]

Yea soccer is anti Muslim. For sure, tell that to frank ribery, Thierry Henry and Mesut ozil. Honestly ISIS just stop. You are killing people just to kill people, You are killing Muslims, how is that not anti Muslim. Talk about the scum of the world.

 

Can somebody just blow these ************* out of the sky?

[Dral]

3 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

This was 3 days ago. It barely made the news cycle. Makes you wonder how many WHITE people would have to be blown apart for people to notice.

FTFY

[Canuck_Fan_52]

20 hours ago, Alflives said:

Thanks for posting Shaky.  It's a very sad story, but reminds us of how blessed we are to cheer for our teams in safety.  

Blessed for now.  If soccer is anti-Muslim, what about ice hockey?  With the way the Canadian government is going by welcoming Muslim refugees into the country, it won't be long before we see it happen here.

[nucklehead]

^First of all it's HOCKEY. They play ice hockey in the US, whilst eating tuna fish sandwiches with soda pop..

Secondly the refugees we welcome here are here to seek REFUGE. From the insane assholes that seek their blood. The same as they would ours and for the same reasons. That puts us all on the same team. We take a much different approach than most European countries for example with tighter controls on numbers and screening. We encourage integration and offer strong support for them to build a life here. Could something happen? Sure, of course there is always a chance. But the chances are much more remote and it could easily be dealt with. Relax there are no terrorists hiding in the crowds and slipping through the cracks. Nevertheless the need for vigilance remains.

[RUPERTKBD]

1 hour ago, Canuck_Fan_52 said:

Blessed for now.  If soccer is anti-Muslim, what about ice hockey?  With the way the Canadian government is going by welcoming Muslim refugees into the country, it won't be long before we see it happen here.

Don't want to derail the thread too much, but I disagree.

 

The refugees entering Canada are fleeing from this sort of thing and are carefully vetted. If a terrorist wants to stage an attack in Canada, there are easier ways to do so than going through the refugee process.

[Canuck_Fan_52]

On 5/15/2016 at 8:20 AM, RUPERTKBD said:

Don't want to derail the thread too much, but I disagree.

 

The refugees entering Canada are fleeing from this sort of thing and are carefully vetted. If a terrorist wants to stage an attack in Canada, there are easier ways to do so than going through the refugee process.

Only time will tell.  I will keep this post saved.  If everything goes well in Canada with the refugees, then I stand corrected.  If things do not, we can look back at this thread. 

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Canuck_Fan_52 said:

Only time will tell.  I will keep this post saved.  If everything goes well in Canada with the refugees, then I stand corrected.  If things do not, we can look back at this thread. 

I want to shake my head at both the idiocy of your post but also the completely ....no, just how stupid it is.

 

You'll save this post in perpetuity hoping for the best yet will whip it out like a flasher at a coed the second something...ANYTHING goes wrong.

 

Think about that, long and hard man.  Like seriously think about it with some actual effort.

 

You're willing to save a hockey forum post, about an attack by wack jobs in Iraq on fans of a soccer club in the event that some sort of terrorist act happens in canada at a hockey game via potential terrorists that may or may not have come over in a small amount of refugees.

 

Just to be able to say i told you so at the moment that something horrifically tragic happens in Canada, potentially to friends or family members of people on this forum

 

Put some SERIOUS thought in to those actions I beg you

[Canuck_Fan_52]

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I want to shake my head at both the idiocy of your post but also the completely ....no, just how stupid it is.

 

You'll save this post in perpetuity hoping for the best yet will whip it out like a flasher at a coed the second something...ANYTHING goes wrong.

 

Think about that, long and hard man.  Like seriously think about it with some actual effort.

 

You're willing to save a hockey forum post, about an attack by wack jobs in Iraq on fans of a soccer club in the event that some sort of terrorist act happens in canada at a hockey game via potential terrorists that may or may not have come over in a small amount of refugees.

 

Just to be able to say i told you so at the moment that something horrifically tragic happens in Canada, potentially to friends or family members of people on this forum

 

Put some SERIOUS thought in to those actions I beg you

Warhippy, thanks for your feedback and your concern.

 

That's just your opinion (concerning my post being stupid), but again only time will tell.  As a fellow Canadian, I do not wish harm on anyone and I hope that the refugees coming in mean no harm.  I promise I won't bring this thread up just because of one incident, but I may bring it up if it has become a genuine issue (not just one story but an accumulation of stories/reports) in Canada (which I hope never to bring up by the way).

 

With that being said, think about this.  There is just a small amount of refugees right now, but will there be more coming in in the near future?  The refugees follow the religion of Islam.  And if Islam is a minority, they demand special rights for themselves (which the country they are welcomed in will most likely accommodate and that includes Canada), but once they are the majority, nobody in the minority get special rights. 

 

Look at Germany with Merkel welcoming the refugees in and reports of women being raped.  Look at Sweden who welcomed the refugees in.  Now the government is advising Swedish women not to go out on their own but in groups. Look at France with the attacks there. There is a possibility of it coming to Canada looking at what's been going on in Europe although  I personally hope not!  Like I said I WILL STAND CORRECTED if this does not happen but I would like to be open minded about this particular story.

 

I know this strays off topic but if you would like to have an ongoing discussion, feel free to PM me. 

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Canuck_Fan_52 said:

Warhippy, thanks for your feedback and your concern.

 

That's just your opinion (concerning my post being stupid), but again only time will tell.  As a fellow Canadian, I do not wish harm on anyone and I hope that the refugees coming in mean no harm.  I promise I won't bring this thread up just because of one incident, but I may bring it up if it has become a genuine issue (not just one story but an accumulation of stories/reports) in Canada (which I hope never to bring up by the way).

 

With that being said, think about this.  There is just a small amount of refugees right now, but will there be more coming in in the near future?  The refugees follow the religion of Islam.  And if Islam is a minority, they demand special rights for themselves (which the country they are welcomed in will most likely accommodate and that includes Canada), but once they are the majority, nobody in the minority get special rights. 

 

Look at Germany with Merkel welcoming the refugees in and reports of women being raped.  Look at Sweden who welcomed the refugees in.  Now the government is advising Swedish women not to go out on their own but in groups. Look at France with the attacks there. There is a possibility of it coming to Canada looking at what's been going on in Europe although  I personally hope not!  Like I said I WILL STAND CORRECTED if this does not happen but I would like to be open minded about this particular story.

 

I know this strays off topic but if you would like to have an ongoing discussion, feel free to PM me. 

So...are you also afraid of the refugees from Ft Mac, or is it just a specific demographic?

 

Honestly, it is posts and thoughts like these that make me weep for the next generation.  I have less than 0 desire to continue this discussion.  We know what will happen should a tragic event happen, it will be a sounding board for everyone to jump up and say i told you so, pat themselves on the back and then try to say they feel empathy and sympathy for the victims.

 

It's fine, we get it.

 

But before completely ignoring this conversation, I do need to point out one thing.  Horrible crimes such as rape, have been happening since the dawn of time.  In groups or by a lone attacker.  Lump summing these horrific crimes as only being committed by one demographic or pretending they are new to the world is so sad.

 

So please, we get it, we understand what you meant and what you're getting at.  Don't bother responding.

[Canuck_Fan_52]

42 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

So...are you also afraid of the refugees from Ft Mac, or is it just a specific demographic?

 

Honestly, it is posts and thoughts like these that make me weep for the next generation.  I have less than 0 desire to continue this discussion.  We know what will happen should a tragic event happen, it will be a sounding board for everyone to jump up and say i told you so, pat themselves on the back and then try to say they feel empathy and sympathy for the victims.

 

It's fine, we get it.

 

But before completely ignoring this conversation, I do need to point out one thing.  Horrible crimes such as rape, have been happening since the dawn of time.  In groups or by a lone attacker.  Lump summing these horrific crimes as only being committed by one demographic or pretending they are new to the world is so sad.

 

So please, we get it, we understand what you meant and what you're getting at.  Don't bother responding.

Hey Warhippy, it is an apples to oranges comparison here,  the folks who were displaced from Ft. Mac are living in Canada already, and seeing their condition, anyone with compassion would definitely welcome them to stay temporarily in other locations while they get their lives back together and help them in any way.  The refugees from Syria are coming form a different culture/environment and they do not want to assimilate into the new environment they are migrating to.

If you study Islam closely, they initially are peaceful when in the minority, but when they begin to multiply and increase in large numbers then they won't be as tolerant and make demands to accommodate their lifestyle.  Once they are in the majority, all dissenting views are shunned.

 

I agree that rape and other horrendous crimes are committed by other demographics as well, but the topic at hand we are discussing are the refugees from Syria.  Nowhere did I mention that it is only this demographic that commits these horrible acts.

 

Please do not paint me as some kind of guy who seeks the destruction of others.  I do care, but looking at the bad decisions made by the govt. has me concerned for future generations and I am apprehensive about that.  When tragedy strikes, I as well as many people on these boards grieve and also discuss what happened.

 

It was great having this discussion with you.  Enjoy the rest of your week!

[RUPERTKBD]

3 hours ago, Canuck_Fan_52 said:

Only time will tell.  I will keep this post saved.  If everything goes well in Canada with the refugees, then I stand corrected.  If things do not, we can look back at this thread. 

Knock yourself out. If and when the refugees start carrying out terrorist attacks, you can bring this post back....

 

.... but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

[Toews]

42 minutes ago, Canuck_Fan_52 said:

Hey Warhippy, it is an apples to oranges comparison here,  the folks who were displaced from Ft. Mac are living in Canada already, and seeing their condition, anyone with compassion would definitely welcome them to stay temporarily in other locations while they get their lives back together and help them in any way.  The refugees from Syria are coming form a different culture/environment and they do not want to assimilate into the new environment they are migrating to.

If you study Islam closely, they initially are peaceful when in the minority, but when they begin to multiply and increase in large numbers then they won't be as tolerant and make demands to accommodate their lifestyle.  Once they are in the majority, all dissenting views are shunned.

 

I agree that rape and other horrendous crimes are committed by other demographics as well, but the topic at hand we are discussing are the refugees from Syria.  Nowhere did I mention that it is only this demographic that commits these horrible acts.

 

Please do not paint me as some kind of guy who seeks the destruction of others.  I do care, but looking at the bad decisions made by the govt. has me concerned for future generations and I am apprehensive about that.  When tragedy strikes, I as well as many people on these boards grieve and also discuss what happened.

 

It was great having this discussion with you.  Enjoy the rest of your week!

1) So the refugees don't want to assimilate into the culture here. Do you know any refugees? Have you spoken to them about whether they wish to embrace our culture?

 

2) No I haven't studied Islam. That would require reading the Quran. Since you claim to have studied their religious texts and know their ideology maybe you can point us to which verses in the Quran instruct Muslims to be tolerant only until they have become the majority.

 

3) The point that Hippy was trying to make is that refugees are people. People commit crimes. Do you hold refugees to a higher standard than you are holding existing citizens? Do you have any evidence that refugees are committing crimes at a higher rate than the general public?

 

4) If you are going to call something a bad decision then you should explain how you arrived at that conclusion.

[PhillipBlunt]

Will it ever stop, or are we destined to do this dance forever? F*#^.