TheGuardian_ Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Toronto has their fan base settled in for the long haul, they are content to tank for another couple of years so that makes it difficult to pry the number one over all away. Dealing with a team that is rebuilding the same as the Canucks would be really hard, TO wouldn't want the Nucks to be the best team in Canada. TO's management are probably close to the best in the league, again making it really hard for Vancouver's rookie group not to be nervous if any deals are done, the Canuck group would be too worried about looking bad. That said. Cap relief is out. Money is out. Playoff urgency is out. So that only leaves picks and prospects. The Canucks maybe have two or three forward prospects that might interest TO, might...Horvat, Virtanen and maybe Boeser (if he signs). BUT, the Nucks will have pretty decent draft picks for the next few years, so Nucks 1rst round picks for 2017, 2018 and 2019 and one of Virtanen or Boeser. Likely it would take a deal along the lines of Lindros trade to pull off, but either of the top two guys this draft are better than Lindros ever was. AND Philly ended up playing for the cup during those years they didn't have the picks Over paying for sure. Selling the future, yep. BUT; If in conjunction with this type of deal the Nucks can squeeze either one of the other two picks or both, sell the farm. This farm took only two years to build. The Sedins will still be effective for another 3 to 4 years especially if they don't have to carry the team on their backs all season. So that's one line. TO's pick and ??, another line Sutter etal, third/second. Not as doom and gloom as reaction will be, Of course what will be forgotten in a discussion like this is that the Nucks went more than a decade without a 1rst rounder making any kind of dent on the team and that decade the team was one of the best in the league. Six 1rst's, sure, if that's what it takes but I would start with three and top prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Couldn't you have combined this with your other redundant thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Soldier Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Please stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 13 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Toronto has their fan base settled in for the long haul, they are content to tank for another couple of years so that makes it difficult to pry the number one over all away. Dealing with a team that is rebuilding the same as the Canucks would be really hard, TO wouldn't want the Nucks to be the best team in Canada. TO's management are probably close to the best in the league, again making it really hard for Vancouver's rookie group not to be nervous if any deals are done, the Canuck group would be too worried about looking bad. That said. Cap relief is out. Money is out. Playoff urgency is out. So that only leaves picks and prospects. The Canucks maybe have two or three forward prospects that might interest TO, might...Horvat, Virtanen and maybe Boeser (if he signs). BUT, the Nucks will have pretty decent draft picks for the next few years, so Nucks 1rst round picks for 2017, 2018 and 2019 and one of Virtanen or Boeser. Likely it would take a deal along the lines of Lindros trade to pull off, but either of the top two guys this draft are better than Lindros ever was. AND Philly ended up playing for the cup during those years they didn't have the picks Over paying for sure. Selling the future, yep. BUT; If in conjunction with this type of deal the Nucks can squeeze either one of the other two picks or both, sell the farm. This farm took only two years to build. The Sedins will still be effective for another 3 to 4 years especially if they don't have to carry the team on their backs all season. So that's one line. TO's pick and ??, another line Sutter etal, third/second. Not as doom and gloom as reaction will be, Of course what will be forgotten in a discussion like this is that the Nucks went more than a decade without a 1rst rounder making any kind of dent on the team and that decade the team was one of the best in the league. Six 1rst's, sure, if that's what it takes but I would start with three and top prospects. Would you think JB a moron if he made such a trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I can't believe how much time you actually manage to invest writing out a huge gigantic post that everyone hates and is complete $&!#e... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Bur14Kes17 said: I can't believe how much time you actually manage to invest writing out a huge gigantic post that everyone hates and is complete $&!#e... Have you never gone fishing; it takes a lot of time and effort to bait the hook, cast the line, and troll is back just right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Haven't seen enough of Mathews to know what's hype and what isn't For those of you who have watched closley,... Is he THAT good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I hope I don't get a warning for this, but if I do, it's worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Acceptance is key. TOR has the #1, we have the #5. But, TOR doesn't have a Markstrom and Demko as their future pairing in goal. They don't have a giant Russian on D. They also have some terrible contracts to deal with (Horton, Lupul, etc). The city (country?) is now relying on an 18 year old to bring them their first Cup in 50 years. You can bet there will be a ton of pressure on this kid. It's not all roses in TOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMillerTime Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Ha feel bad for the people who read the whole thing. I already know the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Nazzy91 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 1 hour ago, TheGuardian_ said: BUT, the Nucks will have pretty decent draft picks for the next few years, so Nucks 1rst round picks for 2017, 2018 and 2019 and one of Virtanen or Boeser. I'd rather have the likes of Boeser, Dubois, and 3 other top prospects as opposed to one unproven potential #1 center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 54 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Nucks 1rst round picks for 2017, 2018 and 2019 and one of Virtanen or Boeser. If in conjunction with this type of deal the Nucks can squeeze either one of the other two picks or both, sell the farm. This farm took only two years to build. The Sedins will still be effective for another 3 to 4 years especially if they don't have to carry the team on their backs all season. So that's one line. TO's pick and ??, another line Sutter etal, third/second. Not as doom and gloom as reaction will be, Of course what will be forgotten in a discussion like this is that the Nucks went more than a decade without a 1rst rounder making any kind of dent on the team and that decade the team was one of the best in the league. Six 1rst's, sure, if that's what it takes but I would start with three and top prospects. Toronto Gets 1st Round 2017, 2018, 2019 and Boeser/Virtanen Vancouver Gets 1st Round 2016 and IF Toronto says no you will respond with. Toronto Gets 1st Round 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 Vancouver Gets 1st Round 2016 Lets say the first trade Toronto declines. The 2nd trade goes through. We immediately become the most unattractive place for players to sign. the first year we might be an ok team. But we then take a hard dive because we lose the Sedins, Sutter, And all the other players because they dont want to play here because we are in a hard rebuild for 6 years then at the end of the 6 years we are in a black hole. We have to wait another 5 years to do another rebuild. This situation leaves the Canucks a gloried AHL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted May 16, 2016 Author Share Posted May 16, 2016 40 minutes ago, ChampStatus said: Toronto Gets 1st Round 2017, 2018, 2019 and Boeser/Virtanen Vancouver Gets 1st Round 2016 and IF Toronto says no you will respond with. Toronto Gets 1st Round 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 Vancouver Gets 1st Round 2016 Lets say the first trade Toronto declines. The 2nd trade goes through. We immediately become the most unattractive place for players to sign. the first year we might be an ok team. But we then take a hard dive because we lose the Sedins, Sutter, And all the other players because they dont want to play here because we are in a hard rebuild for 6 years then at the end of the 6 years we are in a black hole. We have to wait another 5 years to do another rebuild. This situation leaves the Canucks a gloried AHL team. Philly traded 6 1rst rounders to Quebec and went to the cup final 3 times during that period, not counting the 16 of 17 years of playoff appearances, the Canucks have been to the cup finals three times in 45 years. The first might have been more luck as all the teams they beat because of all the upsets, but the last two required a top 2 pick. Benning the super scout? You have doubts now? Lost confidence that the guru can't find something in the later rounds that could be "foundation players" He certainly hasn't found any "franchise" guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted May 16, 2016 Author Share Posted May 16, 2016 What would it take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 15 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Philly traded 6 1rst rounders to Quebec and went to the cup final 3 times during that period, not counting the 16 of 17 years of playoff appearances, the Canucks have been to the cup finals three times in 45 years. The first might have been more luck as all the teams they beat because of all the upsets, but the last two required a top 2 pick. Benning the super scout? You have doubts now? Lost confidence that the guru can't find something in the later rounds that could be "foundation players" He certainly hasn't found any "franchise" guys. Ok lets clarify this Quebec to Philly trade. Philly Gets Eric Lindros Quebec Gets Steve Duchesne Peter Forsberg (HoF) Ron Hextall Kerry Huffman Mike Ricci $15M 1993 1st round pick Jocelyn Thibault future considerations Chris Simon 1994 1st round pick Nolan Baumgartner Am I missing something? The Philly only went to the cup final in 1974, 1975, 1976, 1980, 1985, 1987,(Trade happens here) (1992), 1997, 2010 Before Philly even makes it to the stanley cup finals Quebec turned Colorado wins it in 1996? What am i missing???? Philly over paid for Eric Lindros. Or is this not the trade you were talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 Yes I think the idea of 6 1rst's came after or six of them were firsts'. Or it was just bandied about so as to not have team's fans cry about NOT trying to make deals for the first overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 38 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Yes I think the idea of 6 1rst's came after or six of them were firsts'. Or it was just bandied about so as to not have team's fans cry about NOT trying to make deals for the first overall. Yes but you cant throw around stats like Philly made the playoffs 3 times in 6 years when they only made it once. Steve Duchesne Not Drafted Peter Forsberg 1st Round Ron Hextall 6th Round Kerry Huffman 1st round Mike Ricci 1st Round $15M 1993 1st round pick Jocelyn Thibault future considerations Chris Simon 2nd Round 1994 1st round pick Nolan Baumgartner To Recap. Don't inflate your stats. 15M $ 1 undrafted player 1 6th round draft pick 1 2nd Round Pick 5 1st round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 Thanks for straightening out the Philly trade. Philly made the playoffs, missed the next two years and then went 11 years in a row before missing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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