TheGuardian_ Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 The third of the "what would it take" threads. I didn't include Columbus because they might be the easiest to pry their pick out. Their needs are everywhere money, cap relief, players, prospects. For the BJ's just read just about any trade thread. BUT; First, this is a bad team that looks to need 5 to 7 years to become highly competitive, in other words, they will have to wait for the other teams to get old and then they still might not be good enough or even have "franchise" players. Are there any, ANY players on this team that are as good as the top three picks are projected to be? No. Are there many Canuck players the team's that have the top three picks, can afford or even need? A few. Is there any reason to believe the Sedins are going to be even better than this year or can carry on as they have in the last decade? No. Are there any players as good as the Sedins on this team? No. Are there players on this team that could push the BJ's or the Peg into the playoffs? Yes. If the Canucks were able to get two of the top three picks, would you go to watch them? Or would you scream bloody murder and stay home because they don't have a draft pick in 2020? Where is the team going to get the "franchise" players it will need now that there is the lottery for the top 3 picks? finishing dead last only guarantee's the #4 pick and it usually the # 1 to 3 picks that end up being "franchise" players. Usually, there is always going to be dud's and the occasional gem in the later rounds but being bad is no guarantee of getting those players now. Team's that already have those studs will be ahead of the rest until they change the rule back again. Take the Sedins away from this team and how competitive are they? Make the line up that will beat the Oilers or the Flames next year without the Sedins. Both those teams beat the Nucks without their new top guns playing already and that was with the Sedins. I could see a line up with; Forwards draft pick(s) Sedins - Hansen Sutter - Dorsett - Burrows Guance - Etem - Rodin Etem - Higgins - Cassels Stewart - Grandlund - Stecher Defence Edler - Sbisa Hutton - Tryamkin Pedan - Bartowski Weber - Subban Fedun - Brisebois Biega - Saunter Goalies Miller Garteig Demko That pretty much leaves the following as trade bait, very valuable trade bait. Horvat Virtanen McCann Tanev Markstrom Baertschi unsigned Boeser And of course, taking on a bad contract, salary retention and/or expansion protection. Yeah I know it is the best young guys the team has and could be considered the future BUT not all will go and one or two may need to go after all the exercise is to get a line that will not need replacing for a decade and the team won't likely be able to get through the draft for a decade. Nobody wanted to see Lindros traded, he was. Nobody thought to see Gretzky traded, he was. Nobody knew Throrton would be traded, he was. Sequin? who knew? Team's will trade to improve, in one are or another, on the ice or in the accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I guess you don't believe in your own signature.... Look - the top 3 picks aren't going anywhere - even if Crosby was on the table - they still wouldn't be traded - so just drop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChampStatus Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I read this about 3 times and I'm not seeing a trade offer. Why is this a thing? Why are we trading up 2 spots to get a player who has never played in the NHL. Remember just because they were drafted high does not mean they will be a player in the NHL. Remember the 1999 NHL draft Atlanta thought it would be a good idea to draft Patrik Stefan first. The canucks got the Sedins and then the 4th pick was Pavel Brendl. Just because Stefan and Brendl were good JR players does not mean that they will make it into the NHL. We are not trading these players Horvat- Future canucks captain Virtanen- Strong Power forward who has some scoring touch McCann- Leave McCann alone Tanev- Best D-Zone D-man we have right now Markstrom- Back up goalie and needs to be here to help lighten the load for Demko when he comes in 2 years. Baertschi- Just had his best year as a pro and we want to ship him away. unsigned Boeser- Stop calling him Unsigned, he is a NCAA player he cant sign a pro deal tell he leaves NCAA. He will be signed he is still Canucks property. He Will be a big impact player for the Canucks. He was a 27 goal scorer in the NCAA as a 19 year old. The NCAA is a high defense league and he was more then a point per game player as a rookie. The canucks have no need to trade him. Take a break. Regroup your thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted May 16, 2016 Author Share Posted May 16, 2016 How good do you think this is? Why trade for a player that isn't in the NHL? Because all the genius hockey people, the one's that are soooo much smarter than any other human's on the planet say these guys are the "franchise" players. Poster here are so .....two faced, that might not be the correct term but, "don't trade Boeser" a player not even signed or in the league and at the same time "don't trade for" a player not in the league. So don't trade an unsigned player, not in the league, for an unsigned player not in the league? What makes one better than the other? The amount of attention paid to these young studs now almost eliminate the dud's and the 1999 year is one of THE worst years for draft picks. It was over 15 years ago, or will be in another month. Vesey will be signed.......oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 1 hour ago, TheGuardian_ said: How good do you think this is? Why trade for a player that isn't in the NHL? Because all the genius hockey people, the one's that are soooo much smarter than any other human's on the planet say these guys are the "franchise" players. Poster here are so .....two faced, that might not be the correct term but, "don't trade Boeser" a player not even signed or in the league and at the same time "don't trade for" a player not in the league. So don't trade an unsigned player, not in the league, for an unsigned player not in the league? What makes one better than the other? The amount of attention paid to these young studs now almost eliminate the dud's and the 1999 year is one of THE worst years for draft picks. It was over 15 years ago, or will be in another month. Vesey will be signed.......oops. How good do i think this is? I think it is a very bad idea to trade away the farm when we are in a re build. Why trade for a player that isn't in the NHL? If you think you are getting good value for that player then make the trade. Genius hockey people also thought Jimmy Carson would be a franchise player. Boeser is not getting moved before we have a chance to see what he can do at this level or a look at him in the pros. Eliminated the dud's? Dud's are still going to come up I assure you that duds will still be in the draft. Your proposals don't make since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 Carson? The one drafted 30 years ago? The modern "hockey geniuses" use the same tools available to most posters and they have that little extra of "face time" with the other "geniuses" that run the teams. That's what helps prevent the dud's now a days. Certainly there will not be a Bure slip through the cracks again. Look at that HooSang or whatever his name is, or why Fox isn't getting a shot? They now know just about everything. Boeser is not a Canuck yet. He may not be either if he doesn't sign by the end of next year. Then he can play for any team he wants to, as will Jimmy Vesey this coming season. I seem to recall several players that posters were convinced should never be traded because they were going to save the team or at least help it, Rodin, but he is coming back, otherwise, gone for nothing, King, Druken, Allen, Nathan Smith, Grabner, Coho, Kassian, White, Jensen, Schroeder, Ellington, .... Now if you could trade any 6 of those for lets say, any of the top six picks in 2009, the posters here would never do it because they drink the kool aid. It is way easier to sell "hope" than build a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 Here is another way to look at the thread. This could be the last time for 15 years the Canucks could have a chance at a "franchise" player, if you knew that would happen, what would you do to get one now? Knowing that a franchise player attracts FA's, fills one of the most important spots for 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Hoo Sang slept in and missed the first day of tranning camp. Sent him back to JR that day. Fox was a product of Connor McDavid. I refer you to the CBA sep 16 2012- sept 15 2022 Section 8.6 C i-v Main points Quote C) i)......his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class. Nashville had the chance to sign Vesey for four years. They failed to do so. He becomes UFA after he graduated. If Boeser does not sign with the Canucks in 2019 he will become a UFA if he stays a bona fide college student which he is right now. 20 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: I seem to recall several players that posters were convinced should never be traded because they were going to save the team or at least help it, Rodin, but he is coming back, otherwise, gone for nothing, King, Druken, Allen, Nathan Smith, Grabner, Coho, Kassian, White, Jensen, Schroeder, Ellington, .... This list is just priceless. The only player on this list to show that they are players that could play at this level and help the team win were Cody Hodgson. Do you think the Canucks are not going to be in the Nolan Patrick sweepstakes next year? 2017 draft is going to be just as good as this years draft. With a lot of players like Nolan Patrick, Maxime Comtois, Kailer Yamamoto and Nick Hague. Are you trying to tell us that there will be no 'franchise' players in the NHL draft for 15 years? If that is the case that really means hockey is dying and no one can save it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Go look at trade that the Flyers made for Lindros. They handed multiple cups to Colorado. Sometimes, the price isn't worth the player, no matter how good they look. If they haven't played a game in the NHL, there's always the possibility that they don't work out when they get to the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Nazzy91 Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 23 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: Here is another way to look at the thread. This could be the last time for 15 years the Canucks could have a chance at a "franchise" player, if you knew that would happen, what would you do to get one now? Knowing that a franchise player attracts FA's, fills one of the most important spots for 10 years. for 15 years? What? Where are you getting that number? I'm just confused. You're saying Canucks won't be in the run for a top pick in the next 15 years? At all? Bro. Chill. If the Canucks are good enough to not finish in the bottom 5 for the next 15 years, we're obviously good enough to go without a "franchise player". 15 years? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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