Provost Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I know people like to beat up on this guy because he didn't live up to expectations, and that overshadows looking at him as a player.... but. He has turned himself into a solid 2nd or 3rd pairing defenceman. His play with L.A. was quite solid, he played a simple and physical game (163 hits in 43 games), was a +5, and scored a few points. He was picked 5th overall, same as Raffi Torres... disappointments for where they were drafted, but it doesn't mean that they aren't useful players. I would probably compare him to Bieksa as to what he brings to the table... of course Schenn is 8 years younger, the same age as Tanev. We aren't exactly stacked on RD, and there aren't a lot of UFAs out there to fill the gap. Demers is another option, very different kind of player. Schenn could actually be a good complement to Hutton as a pairing, he can focus on staying home and being a physical presence which frees up Hutton to use his skills more. Pretty much every other UFA possibility has been talked about endlessly, not a lot on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRypien37 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I'd be happy with having him on the 3rd pairing. Brings much needed size, strength and physical play to quite possibly the softest and smallest d corps in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glory_Days Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 It's not that I don't think he would do well here, it's just not what we need. Edler, Tanev, Hutton, Sbisa, Tryamkin seemed pretty much locked into roster spots going into next season, that leaves one spot open for Biega/Pedan/One of our prospects, or signing a free agent defensemen. We're lacking some offensive flair from our back-end, would be better for us to go after someone like Demers or Goligoski depending on price + term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 18 minutes ago, Glory_Days said: It's not that I don't think he would do well here, it's just not what we need. Edler, Tanev, Hutton, Sbisa, Tryamkin seemed pretty much locked into roster spots going into next season, that leaves one spot open for Biega/Pedan/One of our prospects, or signing a free agent defensemen. We're lacking some offensive flair from our back-end, would be better for us to go after someone like Demers or Goligoski depending on price + term. Don't forget about Philip Larsen. He will pretty much be a replacement for Yannick Weber. A seventh defenseman, who will alternate with another defenseman, maybe Tryamkin, depending on the style the opposing team likes to play. As for OP's suggestion, I don't mind if the Canucks are looking to target Luke Schenn. I also like Jason Demers, as you pointed out. I think the first pairing and the third pairing are pretty much set. Just need a right-handed shot defenseman on the second pairing to play alongside Ben Hutton. I like the depth on defence with Larsen, Pedan, Biega all in the mix. The Canucks always deal with the injury bug every year, and we have these guys who are capable of stepping into the line-up, whenever needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 7 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Don't forget about Philip Larsen. He will pretty much be a replacement for Yannick Weber. A seventh defenseman, who will alternate with another defenseman, maybe Tryamkin, depending on the style the opposing team likes to play. As for OP's suggestion, I don't mind if the Canucks are looking to target Luke Schenn. I also like Jason Demers, as you pointed out. I think the first pairing and the third pairing are pretty much set. Just need a right-handed shot defenseman on the second pairing to play alongside Ben Hutton. I like the depth on defence with Larsen, Pedan, Biega all in the mix. The Canucks always deal with the injury bug every year, and we have these guys who are capable of stepping into the line-up, whenever needed. One problem is that those guys aren't able to move up and down without being exposed to waivers anywmore. I fully expect us to move at least one of those depth D and acquire some AHL D who are "near" NHL ready but can move up and down as needed. You can probably get away with sending Biega and Pedan down at the start of the season and sneak them through, but once injuries start hitting other teams too it becomes way more likely they will get picked up by another team. I agree about the 2nd pairing RD... all those depth guys are nice, but you need someone to start in the top 4. You want guys to have to move up in short spurts during injuries, not start the season already over their heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I'm honestly fine with Schenn if he is on a deal for 3 years or less. He is one of those guys that has potential to be a good trade deadline target that rebuilding teams like to cash in on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 he seems like a guy who somewhat benefits in the LA system and their overall tough mentality. I don't think he'd be as effective of a player here. that said it'd depend what he want on the open market but he could be one of the good finds this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 He's basically the exact same player as Sbisa, and only a marginal improvement if any. I think resources could best be spent elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spotted Zebra Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 He can't skate well enough and isn't good enough in the other areas to Make up for that. The only Defenceman on our roster I'd replace him with would be Weber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 He'd be a good 3rd pair guy and would pretty much solidify our defense Edler - Tanev Hutton - Tryamkin Sbisa - Schenn Hamhuis*/Pedan/Biega Not the best but it's better than what we've had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I like that the guy plays hard. I wish he were faster. That's my real worry. And I wonder if he's a negative influence? His brother did better as soon as he was gone in Philly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glory_Days Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 @-Vintage Canuck- OMG! I keep forgetting about freaking Larsen! Yeah, he's totally in the mix as well. He's had good numbers in the KHL, better than Zaitsev and he was playing with Radulov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 11 hours ago, Glory_Days said: It's not that I don't think he would do well here, it's just not what we need. Edler, Tanev, Hutton, Sbisa, Tryamkin seemed pretty much locked into roster spots going into next season, that leaves one spot open for Biega/Pedan/One of our prospects, or signing a free agent defensemen. We're lacking some offensive flair from our back-end, would be better for us to go after someone like Demers or Goligoski depending on price + term. Don't forget Larsen also on the right side. We don't have a lot of spots as is, but if we can upgrade then I think we do it. The question is, is he an upgrade on what we have or reasonably could get otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I can see a team with loads of cap space taking a run at him, particularly Arizona. The Oilers are also incredibly desperate for a RHD and should throw an offer his way as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojibwa72 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I say depending on money or term he might be worth it for experienced D. Another potentially (again with the term and price friendly) would also be Kris Russell. I know Russell is on the small side but being touted as the "shot blocker" could help out the development of the goalies and keeping Miller a little more fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I'm all for adding physicality and size throughout the lineup and especially on the backend, but he's not good defensively, sucks offensively and can't skate. The only thing that's kept him in the league so far is his size and physicality. Sbisa is the better overall option. Unless JB trades Sbisa and brings Schenn in as a replacement but I wouldn't do that because Sbisa might be able to step up and play in the top 4 when we inevitably hit the injury bug. Imo, our resources could be better spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 8 minutes ago, meh_wassup said: I'm all for adding physicality and size throughout the lineup and especially on the backend, but he's not good defensively, sucks offensively and can't skate. The only thing that's kept him in the league so far is his size and physicality. Sbisa is the better overall option. Unless JB trades Sbisa and brings Schenn in as a replacement but I wouldn't do that because Sbisa might be able to step up and play in the top 4 when we inevitably hit the injury bug. Imo, our resources could be better spent. Yup to all. I don't see JB, when he says our team needs to get faster, will move on a guy like Schenn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relyt Krets Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 If the money was right... I'd take him on a 1 year deal. He's an in your face defensive defenseman. And he can drop the mitts from time to time. Why not take the chance. I see Biega being demoted and I don't fall for all the hype on Phillip Larsen. Someone said something about Demers too... not for what he will be asking. He isn't worm the $4.5-$5M he will command Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1994_fan Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I think Schenn is worth a look, he seems to fit a lot of the Canuck's needs (RD, size, decent point, eats up minutes). May be he's a #5 that can play as #4 for the next 2 years. There are things to consider, what term and will there be other teams looking at him? I think if we get him for 4 years at under 4.M per season it's a good deal. But there are a few others RDs that could be possibly cheaper and longer term options: R. Polak - may be too prominent as he's still in the finals and likely will want more than 2.75/yr, he's also 30 J Demers - more points less mass, almost as expensive K Holzer - more of a 6-7 defence guy, but he played pretty good at the world's K Miller - another player with a small resume but had 18 point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 On May 19, 2016 at 0:51 AM, Pears said: He'd be a good 3rd pair guy and would pretty much solidify our defense Edler - Tanev Hutton - Tryamkin Sbisa - Schenn Hamhuis*/Pedan/Biega Not the best but it's better than what we've had. Although I do like that set up I'm thinking it would be cap suicide to have your third pairing making in excess of $7 million per year. Sbisa and Schenn are pretty much interchangeable. You either have one or the other. I don't think we could afford both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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