Hoosierdaddy Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Tom Wilson is an RFA this summer for the first time. He's only 22 years old. Could/would/should the Canucks go the offer sheet route? I'm of the opinion he still has a lot of room to grow. Could he be had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spotted Zebra Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 He's worth about an 82 game suspension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Offer sheets are dead in the water now; even if Benning were to consider doing so, he wouldn't waste what little respect he has around the league on a player like Tom Wilson. You offer sheet franchise players, top line players, top-pair D - not 3rd line pests who are walking suspensions. Washington could be tempted to trade him though, and you could probably sign him to a 4 year deal at around $2.5m per. Not sure I'd want him on our team though as he'd impede Jake Virtanen's growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Just imagine the amount of penalties he would get on the Canucks, all he would have to do is look at Sutherland and get 5 and a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierdaddy Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 37 minutes ago, Captain Woodget said: Offer sheets are dead in the water now; even if Benning were to consider doing so, he wouldn't waste what little respect he has around the league on a player like Tom Wilson. You offer sheet franchise players, top line players, top-pair D - not 3rd line pests who are walking suspensions. Washington could be tempted to trade him though, and you could probably sign him to a 4 year deal at around $2.5m per. Not sure I'd want him on our team though as he'd impede Jake Virtanen's growth. I agree that offer sheets are essentially dead but I'm disappointed they are. It should be a viable tactic. I actually think this is the type of player they should be used for. Young and with upside. Catch a team like the Capitals and the Cup ambitions tight to the cap and you could get a legit steal. To be clear I'm not saying Wilson in particular would a 'steal' per say but I'm all for creative thinking when it comes to building the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 He's worth whatever the Capitals pay him in an extension. Offer sheets were barely ever used in the past, and there's a reason for it. Want to put a target on your back so no team wants to trade with you at all? Then throw an offer sheet out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Tom Wilson is that guy you have on your beer league team that you have to go and apologize for to the other team. Hes got his uses but the Canucks just seem to be getting out of the doghouse of NHL now that we're rebuilding. The last thing we need is to create new bad blood with the capitals and bring in a player who's bound to be the next Raffi Torres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vrienzy Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Max Contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMillerTime Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I like Wilson he is like the Steve Ott. Team player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 NO RFA OFFER SHEETS!!!!!!! Tom Wilson. His pims are not even all from fights he is a lazy hockey player. Having someone in the box and not on the bench is hurting the team not helping the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 6 hours ago, ChampStatus said: NO RFA OFFER SHEETS!!!!!!! Tom Wilson. His pims are not even all from fights he is a lazy hockey player. Having someone in the box and not on the bench is hurting the team not helping the team. You might want to watch the player play, rather than looking up stats and making assumptions. He's far from a lazy player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal1 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 20 hours ago, ItsMillerTime said: I like Wilson he is like the Steve Ott. Team player. I love these guys who are great in the room, real team guys, glue guys. They are useless players but they contribute in all the other ways. Of course the Canucks already have Dorsett in that role. How many more useless players can we carry?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMillerTime Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 55 minutes ago, coastal1 said: I love these guys who are great in the room, real team guys, glue guys. They are useless players but they contribute in all the other ways. Of course the Canucks already have Dorsett in that role. How many more useless players can we carry?? He had 23 points last year. I bet if you tried being a scorer instead of an agitator he would be in the 30-40 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 5 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: You might want to watch the player play, rather than looking up stats and making assumptions. He's far from a lazy player. Hey Pal, Stats are everything Tom Wilson had 7 fights in 2015-2016. Tom Wilson had 163 pims in 2015-2016 So some simple math here. 163-35 fighting pims = 130 Minor Pims Tom Wilson played 82 games last year. 130Pims/82Gp= 1.6Pim/GP Tom Wilson is almost a Minor Penalty per game. Why would you want a player that is good for a Penalty per game. I don't understand why people over value pims. You put your team behind every time you take a pim. Its like walking batters in baseball. The more time you give your opponents an opportunity to score the more likely they will score a goal. More often then not Minor Penalties are from being out of position or stop skating IE lazy hokcey. Tom Wilson vs Jake Virtanen rookie year Tom Wilson GP: 82 G: 3 A: 7 P: 10 Pim: 151 +/-: +1 Jake Virtanen GP: 55 G: 7 A: 6 P: 13 Pim: 45 +/-: -7 We have Jake. No point to give him an offer sheet No point to give any RFA's Ever!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierdaddy Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 34 minutes ago, ChampStatus said: Hey Pal, Stats are everything Tom Wilson had 7 fights in 2015-2016. Tom Wilson had 163 pims in 2015-2016 So some simple math here. 163-35 fighting pims = 130 Minor Pims Tom Wilson played 82 games last year. 130Pims/82Gp= 1.6Pim/GP Tom Wilson is almost a Minor Penalty per game. Why would you want a player that is good for a Penalty per game. I don't understand why people over value pims. You put your team behind every time you take a pim. Its like walking batters in baseball. The more time you give your opponents an opportunity to score the more likely they will score a goal. More often then not Minor Penalties are from being out of position or stop skating IE lazy hokcey. Tom Wilson vs Jake Virtanen rookie year Tom Wilson GP: 82 G: 3 A: 7 P: 10 Pim: 151 +/-: +1 Jake Virtanen GP: 55 G: 7 A: 6 P: 13 Pim: 45 +/-: -7 We have Jake. No point to give him an offer sheet No point to give any RFA's Ever!!! He's 22. He will mature as a player. I'd be very comfortable with him patrolling the wing in a couple of years when Boeser Horvat Virtanan McCann Tkachuk/Dubois are the new core. He's the type of player the Canucks need in the West given the type of team they are trying to build. As for offer sheets, refusal to use them is silly. Teams will trade when they think the the trade serves their need. Example, I highly doubt Wilson called Boston last year and opened with, "hey guys ... let's be fair here. Pinkie promise not to flip Jones to the West ok?" They do what is best for themselves first. I seem to recall GMMG giving Backes an offer sheet. Obviously it was matched but he still made moves after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 58 minutes ago, ChampStatus said: Hey Pal, Stats are everything Tom Wilson had 7 fights in 2015-2016. Tom Wilson had 163 pims in 2015-2016 So some simple math here. 163-35 fighting pims = 130 Minor Pims Tom Wilson played 82 games last year. 130Pims/82Gp= 1.6Pim/GP Tom Wilson is almost a Minor Penalty per game. Why would you want a player that is good for a Penalty per game. I don't understand why people over value pims. You put your team behind every time you take a pim. Its like walking batters in baseball. The more time you give your opponents an opportunity to score the more likely they will score a goal. More often then not Minor Penalties are from being out of position or stop skating IE lazy hokcey. Tom Wilson vs Jake Virtanen rookie year Tom Wilson GP: 82 G: 3 A: 7 P: 10 Pim: 151 +/-: +1 Jake Virtanen GP: 55 G: 7 A: 6 P: 13 Pim: 45 +/-: -7 We have Jake. No point to give him an offer sheet No point to give any RFA's Ever!!! I'm not taking up arms about thinking canuck should send him an offer sheet, caps wouldn't let him go unmatched. I'm talking about you calling him a lazy player. He's an energy player that sometimes crosses the line. He's dorsett minus the top speed but adds in massive hits, but the work ethic is close. In order to claim a player for being lazy you have to do more then look at the stat sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 16 minutes ago, Hoosierdaddy said: He's 22. He will mature as a player. I'd be very comfortable with him patrolling the wing in a couple of years when Boeser Horvat Virtanan McCann Tkachuk/Dubois are the new core. He's the type of player the Canucks need in the West given the type of team they are trying to build. As for offer sheets, refusal to use them is silly. Teams will trade when they think the the trade serves their need. Example, I highly doubt Wilson called Boston last year and opened with, "hey guys ... let's be fair here. Pinkie promise not to flip Jones to the West ok?" They do what is best for themselves first. I seem to recall GMMG giving Backes an offer sheet. Obviously it was matched but he still made moves after that. Prove that he can change as a player 1st. Even in JR's he was never a high scorer. But has always been a high pims guy. He is not a type of player I think the Canucks are looking for a player like that. What would the $$ you would offer for Wilson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 On May 19, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Hoosierdaddy said: Tom Wilson is an RFA this summer for the first time. He's only 22 years old. Could/would/should the Canucks go the offer sheet route? I'm of the opinion he still has a lot of room to grow. Could he be had? Does JB seem like the kind of GM to offer sheet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 14 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: I'm not taking up arms about thinking canuck should send him an offer sheet, caps wouldn't let him go unmatched. I'm talking about you calling him a lazy player. He's an energy player that sometimes crosses the line. He's dorsett minus the top speed but adds in massive hits, but the work ethic is close. In order to claim a player for being lazy you have to do more then look at the stat sheet. Work-Ethic is shown when he cant catch up to someone so he trips him. Or he sticks his knee out to get an advantage. Which is a big reason he takes all these Pims and why he is getting suspended. You dont see anyone saying how good his work ethic is after he Knees Lazar. Tom Wilson fines: April 2016 $2.4k March 2015 $2k Repeat offender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 1 minute ago, ChampStatus said: Work-Ethic is shown when he cant catch up to someone so he trips him. Or he sticks his knee out to get an advantage. Which is a big reason he takes all these Pims and why he is getting suspended. You dont see anyone saying how good his work ethic is after he Knees Lazar. Tom Wilson fines: April 2016 $2.4k March 2015 $2k Repeat offender. Haha good one. Maybe you should look up the term work ethic. I'm pretty sure work ethic/ crossing the dirty line don't have anything to do with each other But hey you get all that from stats. If a Wilson happens to reaches for a puck and the opposing player steps on his stick, that's him being lazy. If he slashes a star player to get him off his game. That's him beling lazy. If he lays goes to lay a player out and he turns and he get a boarding call, that's him being lazy. I get Torres was lazy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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