Bur14Kes17 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 First off, apologies if this is in the wrong section and mods feel free to move it. Ive been pushing for the Canucks to go hard after Stamkos and offer him that max contract since rumours swirled he might be leaving Tampa. Hes the perfect age and elite player to both take over for Henrik and yet lead this generational core of Canucks. The age of generational players like Stamkos making it to free agency are basically over with the way the salary cap and contracts are operating now. It's unbelievably sad to say, but these blood clots are going to eventually be the end of his career and he may only play another 3 years. Thomas Vokoun, Pascal Dupuis, Kimmo Timmonen, Dimitri Yushnekov, and (likely) Chris Bosh, have all had their careers cut short and ended by blood clots. Obviously I'm not a doctor and I can't begin to understand or explain the science or risk factors behind it all but from what I do understand being a high endurance athletes athlete actually puts you at greater risk for developing blood clots. There are other factors like genetics which are out of your control, but high endurance athletes will also have a resting heart rate of below 60 BPM and their blood vessels have actually also already grown and expanded in order to allow greater amounts of blood to be pumped through the body. This is great during activity as it allows them to work harder and go longer, but the problem is when the activity stops. They still have expanded blood vessels and they have such a low resting heart rate, that the blood doesn't moving nearly as quick as a normal person and ends up pooling. This is what creates the clots. This type of condition is especially dangerous for athletes who play contact sports because clots are combatted with blood thinners. Obviously we all jump to thinking about the dangers of a skate cut when we think about the risks of playing on blood thinners. However, even simple bruising caused by blocking a shot or being hit could result in massive internal bleeding as the blood won't clot. Serena Williams also lost a year of her career to blood clots and in her case nearly died from them, but has been able to continue her career for years after because she is likely able to stay on a type of blood thinner to prevent the clotting but she doesn't run the risk of physical contact. Most of the aforementioned hockey players have had to retire within 3 years of when they were first diagnosed. There's plenty of speculation that Chris Bosh's career is now over. It's harsh and sad to say, but I don't want to be locked into a Max Contract for an athlete who may only be with the team for another 2-3 years. I really hope I'm wrong and Stammer is able to play out the entirety of his career, but if I'm Benning, I'm very cautious and consulting independent medical professionals before I consider even going after him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Balboa Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Why is this in Canucks talk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 ^Cos we are all Canucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNeil Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, Rocky Balboa said: Why is this in Canucks talk? Random medical speculation by a layman, for a player on another team??? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 Because it's a player Benning had alluded to going after and many Canuck fans have been speculating about and wanted for the past year dim wit. Maybe you're blind too and didn't notice I already apologized and asked mods to move it if it is in the wrong section. Go suck on a steroid stick Rocky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Balboa Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, Bur14Kes17 said: Because it's a player Benning had alluded to going after and many Canuck fans have been speculating about and wanted for the past year dim wit. Maybe you're blind too and didn't notice I already apologized and asked mods to move it if it is in the wrong section. Go suck on a steroid stick Rocky. Sorry princess but you're not going to gain much support with such a big temper tantrum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, BCNeil said: Random medical speculation by a layman, for a player on another team??? LOL Not sure there is a section for that^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cramarossa Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, BCNeil said: Random medical speculation by a layman, for a player on another team??? LOL Slow news day? 7 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: ^Cos we are all Canucks? Lol Stammer isn't! At least not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, Bur14Kes17 said: Because it's a player Benning had alluded to going after and many Canuck fans have been speculating about and wanted for the past year dim wit. Maybe you're blind too and didn't notice I already apologized and asked mods to move it if it is in the wrong section. Go suck on a steroid stick Rocky. I thought islanders were supposed to be friendly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 9 minutes ago, J.R. said: I thought islanders were supposed to be friendly.... Sorry everyone... I've had to spend the past week living and working in Port Albenie... Everyone on the island hates Port Albernie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, Bur14Kes17 said: Sorry everyone... I've had to spend the past week living and working in Port Albenie... Everyone on the island hates Port Albernie. I like your thread. We know our owner hates the idea of not selling out, and certainly losing playoff revenue. I think he would be big time after Stamkos. Makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 OK, I'm gonna say it... First off, I wish nothing but health and success for Stamkos. I want him to have a long career and stay healthy enough to play hockey until he's 40. But, IF his condition caused him to retire early, is that really that much of a problem for us? Stamkos is probably going to want close to maximum salary and maximum term. So seven years if we signed him. Given how scoring forwards chart over their careers, it's likely that Stamkos' peak years with be the first 2-3, and then his production will start to dip. The best value of that contract will be during the years before he hits 30. If healthy, those 30+ years will probably still be decent years, but odds are (even under the best case scenario) Stamkos' goals and points per dollar (and possible even %cap) start to decline during the second half of that contract. So really, if his career is cut short due to blood clots (or whatever medical condition), his early retirement would just save us having to pay out high salary on those suboptimal production years at the back end of the contract. In effect, that max term contract just becomes a short term (2/3/4 year) deal if he retires early. Which might actually be more favourable (assuming we'd get a couple prime years out of him before he calls it quits) than paying out a max salary over the full seven year deal. I know that's pretty cold but I still felt like it needed to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 15 minutes ago, Alflives said: I like your thread. We know our owner hates the idea of not selling out, and certainly losing playoff revenue. I think he would be big time after Stamkos. Makes perfect sense. Thank you Aflie. I did try to create a point of discussion and a thread with some actual research and substance to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriGold Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 52 minutes ago, Bur14Kes17 said: Because it's a player Benning had alluded to going after and many Canuck fans have been speculating about and wanted for the past year dim wit. Maybe you're blind too and didn't notice I already apologized and asked mods to move it if it is in the wrong section. Go suck on a steroid stick Rocky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeridebc Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 It was my understanding that the issues he is having, is not the same condition as those previous players listed. That this is something that will go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Are All Cynics Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Well then it's not really an issue for the Canucks since Stamkos isn't coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Just now, The 5th Line said: We don't get along with them city folk. Me either, in fairness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 My dad has been on blood thinners for years and I have to agree with you that he gets bruised very easily. I'm talking any little bump against his head, arm, hand legs causes these big bruises. I can't imagine what stammer will look like if has to take them while playing a contact sport. The other issue is bleeding in that little every day cuts and scrapes can really bleed. And that's just on the outside. The risk of potential internal bleeding would be even higher. But of course, like the OP, I'm not a doctor. I just play one at the office and on date nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Okay, He had a thoracic outlet obstruction which basically means the large blood vessels that go to the arms pass under a window where the top edge is the clavicle and the bottom edge is the first rib. Some people this window is smaller and can clamp off the vein returning from the arm as it is the most vulnerable vessel. This causes reduced blood return and can also cause nerve pain. The travel of the athlete adds to the risk as does the repeated, frequent trauma. He had the first rib removed. This essentially fixes the constriction. The hard part is more the rehab to get everything feeling correct again after having a rib removed. It may actually improve the blood return from the arm and shouldn't really affect him too much from a physical perspective. Would just want to see that he can still fire the puck the same way after rehab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, MJDDawg said: My dad has been on blood thinners for years and I have to agree with you that he gets bruised very easily. I'm talking any little bump against his head, arm, hand legs causes these big bruises. I can't imagine what stammer will look like if has to take them while playing a contact sport. The other issue is bleeding in that little every day cuts and scrapes can really bleed. And that's just on the outside. The risk of potential internal bleeding would be even higher. But of course, like the OP, I'm not a doctor. I just play one at the office and on date nights. I think this is the issue right now as there is a lag time with these med's (my dad is one them too), so even once you're off them you still have it in your system for a number of weeks and can get injured more easily. He's probably physically ready in the sense of being fit, but the issue of residual meds being a problem is what I read somewhere. I think this should be a new thread type... Prospect WebMD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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