ChampStatus Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Vancouver Gets SJS 1st round Pick Alexander Khokhlachev Boston Gets CBJ 2nd Round Pick Jannik Hansen (retain $) I think Alexander Khokhlachev will have a hard time cracking the Boston line up in the upcoming year. He is a pending RFA if he does not get a chance to play he might end up in the KHL. Boston gets a winger to take some of the load Eriksson took last year. Canucks Sign Khokhlachev. 3ed line winger that can also play center. Canucks get more cap Reason why this trade would not happen, Hansen is not the typical Bruins player. Cap propblems for Boston. Hansen has a NTC Khokhlachev is a small forward. Khokhlachev has asked for a trade. New Proposal Vancouver Gets: SJS 1st round Pick Alexander Khokhlachev Boston Gets: Jannik Hansen Conditional 3ed round pick 2017 if Khokhlachev signs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Canadian Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 I'd like this trade if benning could pull it off. Future number 1 c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 21, 2016 Author Share Posted May 21, 2016 size is an issue for Khokhlachev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Hansen's contract is amazing. And he's incredibly valuable to us. I'd be hard pressed to move him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Canadian Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, ChampStatus said: size is an issue for Khokhlachev Johnny Gaudreau doesn't have size. Look how he turned out. Other people who don't have size are Karlsson, Kane, Panarin. Less size equals more speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 No, i want to trade our 5th overall pick for brad marchand. is that a good trade ?? we get our pos player who has a nose that's bigger than his own stick! Meat and potatoes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 21, 2016 Author Share Posted May 21, 2016 26 minutes ago, The Canadian said: Johnny Gaudreau doesn't have size. Look how he turned out. Other people who don't have size are Karlsson, Kane, Panarin. Less size equals more speed Yes but the average height in the NHL is 6'1. He is below average height which some people may say if he does not preform might be an issue. I love watching Khokhlachev playing, the Russian Johnny in my opinion. Size will always be an issue if you are under average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken kaniff Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Another Linden Vey and Markus Granlund. I'd rather stay away from these players. We have enough if them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 21, 2016 Author Share Posted May 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, ken kaniff said: Another Linden Vey and Markus Granlund. I'd rather stay away from these players. We have enough if them. Markus Granlund has only had 1 year as a pro or jr where he scored more then 20 G.... How is Alexander even close, he has scored around 50 each year he has played in the AHL. He is more of a natural scorer then Granlund ever has been. His numbers in the AHL are similar to Linden Vey but Alexander scores more goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircool Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 3 hours ago, ChampStatus said: Vancouver Gets SJS 1st round Pick Alexander Khokhlachev Boston Gets CBJ 2nd Round Pick Jannik Hansen (retain $) I think Alexander Khokhlachev will have a hard time cracking the Boston line up in the upcoming year. He is a pending RFA if he does not get a chance to play he might end up in the KHL. Boston gets a winger to take some of the load Eriksson took last year. Canucks Sign Khokhlachev. 3ed line winger that can also play center. Canucks get more cap Reason why this trade would not happen, Hansen is not the typical Bruins player. Cap propblems for Boston. Hansen has a NTC Khokhlachev is a small forward. Wow Khoklachev is a versatile player!!! He can play the wing, he can play center, he can play small forward. Hockey + Basketball!!! Multi-sport athletes are always in good shape.. He will be able to battle for sure! Think he could play for the Raptors? They need some help against the Cavs, let me know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Aircool said: Wow Khoklachev is a versatile player!!! He can play the wing, he can play center, he can play small forward. Hockey + Basketball!!! Multi-sport athletes are always in good shape.. He will be able to battle for sure! Think he could play for the Raptors? They need some help against the Cavs, let me know! Thanks for your enthusiasm! But you can take 20% off the top there bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 6 hours ago, ChampStatus said: Markus Granlund has only had 1 year as a pro or jr where he scored more then 20 G.... How is Alexander even close, he has scored around 50each year he has played in the AHL. He is more of a natural scorer then Granlund ever has been. His numbers in the AHL are similar to Linden Vey but Alexander scores more goals. Sorry this post is so sceptical. You obviously have a reason that I'm not aware of for valuing Khokhlachev highly and I'm hoping you can enlighten me. I have read his stats and his scouting reports, brief as they are, on eliteprospects and hockeysfuture but don't remember the player otherwise. (Hockeysfuture.com questions his top speed and his defensive play while still rating him highly-7.5C.) According to hockeydb.com, Khokhlachev has played 3 regular seasons in the AHL. His scoring stats, far from being around 50 goals each year, are shown as follows: 2013-14 age 20 65 games 21 g + 36 ast = 57 pts 2014-15 age 21 61 games 15 g + 28 ast = 43 pts 2015-16 age 22 60 games 23 g + 45 ast = 68 pts By comparison, for Markus Granlund, who is essentially the same age and not much difference in size, only played one even semi-complete season in the AHL, in 2013-14 at age 20 playing 52 games with 25 g + 21 ast = 46 pts. Granlund has spent much of the last two seasons in the NHL. Linden Vey's AHL seasons: 2011-12 age 20 74 games 19 g + 24 ast = 43 pts 2012-13 age 21 74 games 22 g + 45 ast = 67 pts 2013-14 age 22 43 games 14 g + 34 ast = 48 pts (spent part of the season in the NHL) On a per game basis Khokhlachev outscored Vey at the age of 20. At ages 21 and 22, though, on a per game basis Vey outscored Khokhlachev and his goals per game over those two seasons was almost identical to that of Khokhlachev (0.308 to 0.314.) The only season they were both mostly in the AHL, Granlund and Khokhlachev scored almost the same number of points per game (Granlund 0.885, Khokhlachev 0.877) but Granlund had a wide lead in goals per game (0.48 to 0.32.) What I read about his stats not only is nothing special but doesn't show goal scoring in the AHL of the around 50 per season mentioned in the post quoted above.. Since I really don't remember the player could you let me know why you're so high on him as to target him when on the face of it the appearance is that he is similar to several other players the Canucks have, including Vey, Granlund and perhaps McCann? Thanks. Since the SJ 1st pick which Boston has will be a very late (somewhere between 27th and 30th) pick this season, the difference between it and the CBJ 2nd may well not be very great-a handful of picks, possibly (unless Columbus magically gets a whole lot better) though there would be the advantage of getting the SJ pick this summer. Still, the difference in picks is likely to be small enough that it seems to me to be underselling Hansen unless there's a reason I don't know why Khokhlachev's value is a great deal higher than the average soon to be 23 year old undersized forward who hasn't made the NHL and, as you say, will have a hard time cracking the Boston lineup this season. Retaining salary on Hansen is an interesting suggestion. He just finished a season in which he produced at a level exceeding what he gets paid. Boston presently shows (per capfriendly) as having a little over $24 million to fill in 9 spaces on its roster, so may need some help. I wonder though if retaining salary on Hansen is the wisest use of retaining salary (perhaps there are bad contracts to unload where it might be useful and there are limits on salary retention) and can add to the imbalance if Hansen is being sold cheaply. I haven't examined the Boston roster to see how good a fit Hansen will be, for the simple reason that they have so many expiring contracts it is hard for me to say what they'll need. Thanks for reading and, again, sorry for being sceptical about the proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 23 minutes ago, tyhee said: Sorry this post is so sceptical. You obviously have a reason that I'm not aware of for valuing Khokhlachev highly and I'm hoping you can enlighten me. I have read his stats and his scouting reports, brief as they are, on eliteprospects and hockeysfuture but don't remember the player otherwise. (Hockeysfuture.com questions his top speed and his defensive play while still rating him highly-7.5C.) To be fair you should be sceptical about every proposal posted on this website. There has already been talks of him being traded. Via Igor Eronko Twitter Quote Alex Khokhlachev's agent blames Julien for not giving a chance to his client,says #Bruins disrupted all the possible deals involving Koko1/2 Quote 's agent won't comment the possible offer from #SKA but doesn't rule out return to Russia 2/2 Watching some of his highlights on youtube He looks like a natural scorer. He has been a +18 in his AHL carrier so his defensive zone play cant be the worst nor the best. Via Hockey Futures Quote Khokhlachev is a slick puck carrier, creative passer and courageous goal scorer. He has a knack for surveying the ice, disguising his intensions and then distributing the puck to the best option. Without the puck, he is willing to get to the dirty areas and has an explosive release, making him a dangerous finisher. As with many young scorers his defensive work is spotty at times — as a winger he’s prone to losing his man and as a center he struggles to read the coverage. Khokhlachev's skating is a mixed bag. He has good acceleration, crosses over well, good top-speed, he can stop on a dime, and he’s able to shake defenders by opening up his hips. But he lacks elite top-speed, struggles with changes in direction and with skating backwards in general. What I get from this is a strong work ethic and is willing to work hard for the puck. He is young still his defensive zone coverage will get better with time. Skating is good not great. Backwards skating needs work. Nothing about his size being an issue for his play style. 51 minutes ago, tyhee said: By comparison, for Markus Granlund, who is essentially the same age and not much difference in size, only played one even semi-complete season in the AHL, in 2013-14 at age 20 playing 52 games with 25 g + 21 ast = 46 pts. Granlund has spent much of the last two seasons in the NHL. I don't feel like Granlund has the high scoring potential that Khokhlachev has. For instance the same scout from Hockey Futures has this to say about Granlund. Quote Granlund has good hockey sense, excellent playmaking abilities and sees the ice well. The skilled center is exceptional at running the power play but needs to improve his overall strength and skating to play at the NHL level. The younger brother of the Minnesota Wild's Mikael Granlund, he has emerged from his brother's shadows and has begun to establish himself as an effective offensive threat. His defensive game and positional play is improved but still needs refining and his size and strength is sometimes a disadvantage at the NHL level. Unlike my views Hockey Futures thinks he has the ability to be an offensive threat. 58 minutes ago, tyhee said: Since the SJ 1st pick which Boston has will be a very late (somewhere between 27th and 30th) pick this season, the difference between it and the CBJ 2nd may well not be very great-a handful of picks, possibly (unless Columbus magically gets a whole lot better) though there would be the advantage of getting the SJ pick this summer. Still, the difference in picks is likely to be small enough that it seems to me to be underselling Hansen unless there's a reason I don't know why Khokhlachev's value is a great deal higher than the average soon to be 23 year old undersized forward who hasn't made the NHL and, as you say, will have a hard time cracking the Boston lineup this season. You might be right maybe CBJ 2nd might be a little much. I did not realize that he demanded a trade before I made this post. I think boston might want to take what ever they can get. So maybe taking away the CBJ 2nd pick and changing it to a 3ed round conditional pick if he signs. 1 hour ago, tyhee said: Retaining salary on Hansen is an interesting suggestion. He just finished a season in which he produced at a level exceeding what he gets paid. Boston presently shows (per capfriendly) as having a little over $24 million to fill in 9 spaces on its roster, so may need some help. I wonder though if retaining salary on Hansen is the wisest use of retaining salary (perhaps there are bad contracts to unload where it might be useful and there are limits on salary retention) and can add to the imbalance if Hansen is being sold cheaply. I take away Retaining salary for the same reason I change the CBJ 2nd round pick. New Proposal: Vancouver Gets: SJS 1st round Pick Alexander Khokhlachev Boston Gets Jannik Hansen Conditional 3ed round pick 2017 if Khokhlachev signs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrytoolips Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 If Boston bites I'd say go for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 this would be a great trade for the Canucks' highly doubt boston does this. Don't see them wanting Hansen that bad after he has a history with the Bruins; also, I think hansen is best suited for a contender. We need to trade him at the draft to a legit contender who lacked a Hansen presence in the playoffs this year. So what teams are realistic places for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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