Hortankin Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 TO WPG Hansen McCann Baertschi Markstrom 2017 1st (top 5 protected) TO VAN 2nd OA 2nd: Laine 5th: Dubois/Juolevi/Chychrun Would you do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 1 minute ago, McHortanen said: TO WPG Hansen McCann Baertschi Markstrom 2017 1st (top 5 protected) TO VAN 2nd OA (Laine) Would you do it? WPG will reject. They are in love with Laine. Good effort but pointless thread because it WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshiyoshi Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hortankin Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 Just now, DontMessMe said: WPG will reject. They are in love with Laine. Good effort but pointless thread because it WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Idk man they may reject but they would atleast consider it. If they were willing would you pull the trigger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Denied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Just now, McHortanen said: Idk man they may reject but they would atleast consider it. If they were willing would you pull the trigger? THEY WILL NOT CONSIDER IT. Im sorry... Hansen is trash McCann is uncertain Markstrom is a fringe starter 2017 first will be top 10. Baershi is good. So the only pieces for WPG that might be interesting is McCann 1st and Bear cheese. Thats not enough. If you really want that 2nd OA you will have to over pay alot like... Horvat 1st 2016 1st 2017 Gaunce/McCann. But you get the idea. It will be a highway robbery for WPG for them to accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: THEY WILL NOT CONSIDER IT. Im sorry... Hansen is trash McCann is uncertain Markstrom is a fringe starter 2017 first will be top 10. Baershi is good. So the only pieces for WPG that might be interesting is McCann 1st and Bear cheese. Thats not enough. If you really want that 2nd OA you will have to over pay alot like... Horvat 1st 2016 1st 2017 Gaunce/McCann. But you get the idea. It will be a highway robbery for WPG for them to accept. Devils advocate here Hey how's it going? Hansen is not trash, he is probably one of the most elite bottom 6 players in the entire NHL and any team in cup contention would give up a solid return to have him on their way to a cup run. One could argue that if Dallas, Chicago or Washington had a Hansen the eastern/western finals would look drastically different. Other than that, I agree there is no way Winnipeg accepts that proposal, like at all. Monty will be by shortly to fill in the blanks for the OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Overpaying and WPG says no because they dont want left overs. WPG is also not a max cap team. This trade adds arround 5-6M in cap. Not to mention that I don't see how Hansen or Baertschi play a meaningful role in WPG Nikolaj Ehlers - Mark Scheifele - Blake Wheeler Marko Dano - Bryan Little - Drew Stafford Alex Burmistrov - Adam Lowry - Chris Thorburn Nicolas Petan - Andrew Copp - Joel Armia I don't see Hansen being able to play on the top 2 lines and same with Baertschi. So Canucks over pay but WPG still says no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, ChampStatus said: Overpaying and WPG says no because they dont want left overs. WPG is also not a max cap team. This trade adds arround 5-6M in cap. Not to mention that I don't see how Hansen or Baertschi play a meaningful role in WPG Nikolaj Ehlers - Mark Scheifele - Blake Wheeler Marko Dano - Bryan Little - Drew Stafford Alex Burmistrov - Adam Lowry - Chris Thorburn Nicolas Petan - Andrew Copp - Joel Armia I don't see Hansen being able to play on the top 2 lines and same with Baertschi. So Canucks over pay but WPG still says no. Canucks are not overpaying. Its more underpaying for that 2nd overall pick. WPG wants ALOT. and I mean ALOT. See my post above 5 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Devils advocate here Hey how's it going? Hansen is not trash, he is probably one of the most elite bottom 6 players in the entire NHL and any team in cup contention would give up a solid return to have him on their way to a cup run. One could argue that if Dallas, Chicago or Washington had a Hansen the eastern/western finals would look drastically different. Other than that, I agree there is no way Winnipeg accepts that proposal, like at all. Monty will be by shortly to fill in the blanks for the OP I would not offer more than a low 2nd for Hansen. Whose Monty btw? @McHortanen Lets say you own the 2nd overall pick as the canucks GM. What would it cost another team to get that pick. Think about it as if you own that pick and ask yourself if you would accept it for the 2nd OA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 26 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Devils advocate here Hey how's it going? Hansen is not trash, he is probably one of the most elite bottom 6 players in the entire NHL and any team in cup contention would give up a solid return to have him on their way to a cup run. One could argue that if Dallas, Chicago or Washington had a Hansen the eastern/western finals would look drastically different. Other than that, I agree there is no way Winnipeg accepts that proposal, like at all. Monty will be by shortly to fill in the blanks for the OP Pros and Con With Hansen... Look at his playoff numbers. 22 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: Canucks are not overpaying. Its more underpaying for that 2nd overall pick. WPG wants ALOT. and I mean ALOT. See my post above Did WPG release what they wanted for 2nd pick or even if they would even consider if they would move the 2nd pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warhippy Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 46 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: Canucks are not overpaying. Its more underpaying for that 2nd overall pick. WPG wants ALOT. and I mean ALOT. See my post above I would not offer more than a low 2nd for Hansen. Whose Monty btw? @McHortanen Lets say you own the 2nd overall pick as the canucks GM. What would it cost another team to get that pick. Think about it as if you own that pick and ask yourself if you would accept it for the 2nd OA. Monty is our resident Jets affiliate and fan. If it is about the Jets he'll set you straight. There's a few posters on these forums that follow specific teams and when it comes to trade proposals, I look to them specifically to lend an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 24 minutes ago, ChampStatus said: Pros and Con With Hansen... Look at his playoff numbers. Did WPG release what they wanted for 2nd pick or even if they would even consider if they would move the 2nd pick Playoff numbers mean nothing if your team is not in the playoffs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampStatus Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: Playoff numbers mean nothing if your team is not in the playoffs... Trading him to a playoff team, If I was other GM I would work the angle that his playoff performance has never been that strong to lower the price if I was trying to trade for Hansen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: ...Monty will be by shortly to fill in the blanks for the OP 1 hour ago, DontMessMe said: ...Whose Monty btw? It comes to a point where I don't even know what to say when it comes to asinine proposals involving the Jets. I didn't mind taking the time when it came to people on here suggesting Evander Kane be traded here, because perhaps they didn't fully understand that the Jets would not only trade look to trade to the Eastern Conference so they didn't have to face him, but that the Jets were a team that would be in direct competition the next few years to earn the final two wild card spots in the playoffs alongside the Canucks. As such, the Jets wouldn't be looking to do the Canucks any favors. But, that said, I can go through it again. There was another thread proposing getting the Jets draft pick. I said my piece and why it was 100% accurate. I'll do the same here. 1 hour ago, McHortanen said: TO WPG Hansen McCann Baertschi Markstrom 2017 1st (top 5 protected) TO VAN 2nd OA The second overall pick looks to be generational. More importantly, those who follow drafts closely know just how weak the 2017 draft is going to be. Even IF that 2017 1st were the first overall pick (Nolan Patrick), him being a Winnipeg boy doesn't take away from the fact that Matthews/Laine were a lot better at his age. But to the point. Hansen, while a good enough player, is a third line player. And a 30 year old 3rd liner at that. The Jets already have one of Drew Stafford or Alex Burmistrov penciled in there. Both of whom are actually younger than Hansen. And while he's a good enough player, he's not who the Jets would be interested in to fix their team. McCann is redundant on their team. Not to say he's not a good prospect, but he doesn't fit in. Scheifele is the #1 center going forward, with Bryan Little slated at #2. Adam Lowry is exactly the kind of prototypical 3rd line center a team would want. He's big, mean, and is a nightmare for top center's to play against. In his rookie season when the Hawks came to town, during warmup he said to Toews, "I'm going to f*ck you up in front of your home town tonight." His rookie season. And on the 4th line you have Andrew Copp, who stumbled out of the gate at the beginning of this year, but finished incredibly strong the last 30 games. So, like Hansen, not needed and doesn't fit in at all. Baertschi falls in with McCann. They've already got Ehlers, Kyle Connor, Perreault, Dano, Petan/Lemieux down the left side, so he fits in no where. Again, no interest. And Markstrom could have been had for free a few years ago when they waived him. Instead, they will wait until Pavelec's contract runs out and then run with both Hellebuyck and Comrie. The only forward the Jets need is a right winger, as Wheeler is the only bonafide top 6 they have. Stafford is good, but he's better used on the third line, while Burmistrov will be likely anchoring the fourth line. Laine is the perfect person to come in at the #2 spot. Not only is he exactly what the team requires, but the merchandise sales that also come from drafting a sniper and #2 overall pick is going to be astronomical for the Jets franchise. Not only do none of those players you've mentioned above solve any of the problems the Jets have (one of which Laine solves), but all of them combined won't add up the hundreds of thousands of merchandise sales that will come from drafting Laine. I understand you wanting to get Laine, but let's be serious here. The Jets aren't going to trade it, let alone to a team in the Western Conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 1 hour ago, DontMessMe said: THEY WILL NOT CONSIDER IT. Im sorry... Hansen is trash McCann is uncertain Markstrom is a fringe starter 2017 first will be top 10. Baershi is good. So the only pieces for WPG that might be interesting is McCann 1st and Bear cheese. Thats not enough. If you really want that 2nd OA you will have to over pay alot like... Horvat 1st 2016 1st 2017 Gaunce/McCann. But you get the idea. It will be a highway robbery for WPG for them to accept. Compared to the value of Laine? Yeah. But is he a trash hockey player? No. As Warhippy mentioned a few posts above, he probably is one of the best 3rd line players in the NHL. He can also play anywhere in the line-up as we've witnessed this the past 2 seasons. He's a player every damn contender would like to insert in their roster for what $2.6M or something like that? He's only 28. He's got at least 3-4 good seasons in him. I like him just cause of the way he plays. So fast, so tenacious, and people complain about us lacking those traits. Oh yeah, everybody in this fan base wants to trade our damn depth after a year into their +1 or +2 draft. Like first of all, as much as I love Laine, we aren't going to give up all of that due to: 1. Asset management. Trading our depth for an unproven player and Winnipeg has expressed that they don't want to trade their pick. Trading 5 pieces in rebuild mode in a trade for 1 piece that's absolutely quality, you're going to be losing a lot of depth. That's poor asset management. 2. There are better offers elsewhere if Winnipeg even CONSIDERS moving their pick which again if it isn't absolutely mind blowing of a steal, they aren't going to trade it. We have great players, great assets atm, but compared to other teams such as Buffalo maybe, Arizona, Toronto, hell even EDM have a few pieces but that's not in their interest right now, we don't stand a chance. Much like if WPG were to trade Trouba or if Colorado were to trade Barrie. Sacrificing our depth for a player could be a huge risk, especially since we've now begun to start recouping our prospect cupboard and filling it up like never before after a treacherous decade of crappy drafting. 3. In the recent years, there's been minor trading of the top 10 picks. The last was us trading for the 9th overall pick in which we got Horvat. I don't know what makes you think that WPG will trade their 2nd overall pick when using the pick will get you that much closer into competing for the playoffs, let alone finishing off the 3-4 year rebuild WPG has been doing. 4. We aren't going to make the playoffs, most can agree. I sure as **** don't want to sell our 1st round picks during this time of rebuilding. You don't trade pieces or depth unless it absolutely a player you know 100% you're getting or you know 100% it will benefit your franchise during a rebuild. It can hurt you or do good, but more of the latter. Were getting the 5th overall pick, great. Why trade it down where there's less of a chance of getting cornerstone players? Tkachuk, Dubois, Juolevi. PICK ONE OF THEM AND WERE THAT MUCH CLOSER TO COMPETING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 1 hour ago, ChampStatus said: Pros and Con With Hansen... Look at his playoff numbers. Did WPG release what they wanted for 2nd pick or even if they would even consider if they would move the 2nd pick Anything is possible. Just requires a massive over payment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 how about our 33rd cbjs 2nd our 1st next year and hanson forthe3rd pick this year? is that fair ? Or does it have to involve the 5th and Virtanen? imho jesse is worth at leat one of those 2 deals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 40 minutes ago, Odd. said: Compared to the value of Laine? Yeah. But is he a trash hockey player? No. As Warhippy mentioned a few posts above, he probably is one of the best 3rd line players in the NHL. He can also play anywhere in the line-up as we've witnessed this the past 2 seasons. He's a player every damn contender would like to insert in their roster for what $2.6M or something like that? He's only 28. He's got at least 3-4 good seasons in him. I like him just cause of the way he plays. So fast, so tenacious, and people complain about us lacking those traits. Oh yeah, everybody in this fan base wants to trade our damn depth after a year into their +1 or +2 draft. Like first of all, as much as I love Laine, we aren't going to give up all of that due to: 1. Asset management. Trading our depth for an unproven player and Winnipeg has expressed that they don't want to trade their pick. Trading 5 pieces in rebuild mode in a trade for 1 piece that's absolutely quality, you're going to be losing a lot of depth. That's poor asset management. 2. There are better offers elsewhere if Winnipeg even CONSIDERS moving their pick which again if it isn't absolutely mind blowing of a steal, they aren't going to trade it. We have great players, great assets atm, but compared to other teams such as Buffalo maybe, Arizona, Toronto, hell even EDM have a few pieces but that's not in their interest right now, we don't stand a chance. Much like if WPG were to trade Trouba or if Colorado were to trade Barrie. Sacrificing our depth for a player could be a huge risk, especially since we've now begun to start recouping our prospect cupboard and filling it up like never before after a treacherous decade of crappy drafting. 3. In the recent years, there's been minor trading of the top 10 picks. The last was us trading for the 9th overall pick in which we got Horvat. I don't know what makes you think that WPG will trade their 2nd overall pick when using the pick will get you that much closer into competing for the playoffs, let alone finishing off the 3-4 year rebuild WPG has been doing. 4. We aren't going to make the playoffs, most can agree. I sure as **** don't want to sell our 1st round picks during this time of rebuilding. You don't trade pieces or depth unless it absolutely a player you know 100% you're getting or you know 100% it will benefit your franchise during a rebuild. It can hurt you or do good, but more of the latter. Were getting the 5th overall pick, great. Why trade it down where there's less of a chance of getting cornerstone players? Tkachuk, Dubois, Juolevi. PICK ONE OF THEM AND WERE THAT MUCH CLOSER TO COMPETING. Im just simply providing the OP of what it might take to get that pick. But realistically we arent gonna get it. And like you said we will be drafting either Tkachuk or Dubois. NOT Juolevi at 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clam linguine Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Lol...you guys can put Hansen where ever you want I guess....but he is a top 6 player not bottom 6....deal with it. A more realistic project would be to get #3 from CBJ or #4 from the Oilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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