Drewismyname Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 10 hours ago, Master Mind said: But why pay for a player that will get eliminated in the first round? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewismyname Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 David Desharnais, habs, avail for 2nd. Jordin tootoo, hawks, - b prospect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I have had some of the funnest conversations lately. Its no secret we're after a young D. The most legit gm's are the hardest best negotiators. And some are nervous to make a deal. We have been called out for using expansion fodder to get a guy? I have also been asked to put up Nylander plus, for a guy drafted in the 4th round who has yet to score 15 NHL points. And put up excellent young forwards (plural) in some deals, multiple recent top 10 picks in others. Even fracked up, and did not take a deal we should have. Here is Bostons mid season / All Star break summary; We are extremely excited to be in the playoff race! Have only one player we are nervous about losing in expansion. Can take on guys at other positions where numerous other teams are vulnerable. We have 5 top 50 in the world prospects not in the NHL. Some young players who might be even better. We will be better next year than this. Also we have a couple of extremely good play off assets. And we still want to do a fair deal for a D! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvery Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 1:41 PM, somethingvery said: The Los Angeles Kings place Andrew Hammond on waivers. Nashville's GM @apollo has claimed Andrew Hammond from Los Angeles' GM @Beary Sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 40 minutes ago, somethingvery said: Nashville's GM @apollo has claimed Andrew Hammond from Los Angeles' GM @Beary Sweet. Apollo 'hamburgled' Beary there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvery Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 The Los Angeles Kings place Reto Berra on waivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beary Sweet Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 7 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: I have had some of the funnest conversations lately. Its no secret we're after a young D. The most legit gm's are the hardest best negotiators. And some are nervous to make a deal. We have been called out for using expansion fodder to get a guy? I have also been asked to put up Nylander plus, for a guy drafted in the 4th round who has yet to score 15 NHL points. And put up excellent young forwards (plural) in some deals, multiple recent top 10 picks in others. Even fracked up, and did not take a deal we should have. Here is Bostons mid season / All Star break summary; We are extremely excited to be in the playoff race! Have only one player we are nervous about losing in expansion. Can take on guys at other positions where numerous other teams are vulnerable. We have 5 top 50 in the world prospects not in the NHL. Some young players who might be even better. We will be better next year than this. Also we have a couple of extremely good play off assets. And we still want to do a fair deal for a D! With the GMs, most here are tough to negotiate a deal for a defenceman. Heck, I had to overpay to get a defenceman like Tanev who rarely produces and hasn't hit 10 points but produces in other categories. I was desperate for a dman then and I feel you lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 7 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: I have had some of the funnest conversations lately. Its no secret we're after a young D. The most legit gm's are the hardest best negotiators. And some are nervous to make a deal. We have been called out for using expansion fodder to get a guy? I have also been asked to put up Nylander plus, for a guy drafted in the 4th round who has yet to score 15 NHL points. And put up excellent young forwards (plural) in some deals, multiple recent top 10 picks in others. Even fracked up, and did not take a deal we should have. Here is Bostons mid season / All Star break summary; We are extremely excited to be in the playoff race! Have only one player we are nervous about losing in expansion. Can take on guys at other positions where numerous other teams are vulnerable. We have 5 top 50 in the world prospects not in the NHL. Some young players who might be even better. We will be better next year than this. Also we have a couple of extremely good play off assets. And we still want to do a fair deal for a D! It's rarely easy to acquire good defensemen in fantasy hockey. They are quite simply rarer assets and teams tend to have only 3 or 4 fixtures on their blueline - the rest is uncertainty - and they injure more frequently it seems, so depth is more difficult to come by. Having said that - the scoring system in this league values players differently than the typical pedigree. It's part of what makes some of what initially look like wtf deals not quite as tilted as they may appear at first glance. For example - Nylander for a 4th round D who has yet to score 15 points doesn't really tell us much at all - we don't know if that is necessarily a lowball offer. I have a 60th overall D for example, who has 11 career NHL points that I would not deal to you for Nylander. Defensemen in this league can score very little points, and yet consistently hit, block shots and score more steady fantasy points here than a finesse forward like Nylander who scores, but otherwise jumps out of the way of shots and avoids contact/doesn't hit anyone. Shiny pedigrees don't necessarily translate. It's part of what I really like about Puck - the scoring system could or should enhance parity - and fantrax's extensive breakdown of scoring should make it easier for GMs not to get fleeced in deals. I like the scoring structure here for another key reason as well - it means that there are more volume of valuable assets available than in more reductive scoring structures (where it's easier to stockpile talent) - in more forms of players that have value - so imo it shouldn't be as difficult to compete and close gaps against other teams as it is in other leagues where scoring is heavily weighted towards points (and only slightly offset by penalty minutes, which I personally am against rewarding) - and grit/shutdown type players who hit and/or block shots may have very little value - typically very low value assets that tend to be the cap dumps. Here the scoring system values more players so the pool of possibilities for GMs is expanded. Not sure which deal you didn't take that you should have, but my experience is that when you're offered a top pairing D in a hockey trade for a young forward like Nylander, you might not want to ask for additional pieces thinking their 'potential' makes them worth more than a proven top pairing defenseman, signed long term at a bargain, who consistently scored 3.6-5.1 fppg, surrounded by young talent. Wanting something added to a D like that is probably looking a gift horse in the mouth. And what teams do in expansion isn't necessarily an obvious equation. For example, you can look at my team and think I'm going to lose a great defenseman in expansion and assume 1) that I'm negotiating from a position of weakness and 2) that I care more about expansion than competing this year. However, I may just elect to protect 6 defensemen and play to my strengths, exposing a good forward, knowing that I have a really deep stable of prospects. Anyhow, I don't doubt some GMs have wanted overpayments for their defensemen - but - without context a few notes like a 4th round D who hasn't scored 15pts, or GMs asking for shiny forwards doesn't necessarily tell us that they are being unreasonable in this scoring structure. Best of luck though Surfer - and if you're wanting to acquire a D, I might just have one that could be had LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 2 hours ago, oldnews said: It's rarely easy to acquire good defensemen in fantasy hockey. They are quite simply rarer assets It's part of what I really like about Puck - the scoring system could or should enhance parity - and fantrax's extensive breakdown of scoring should make it easier for GMs not to get fleeced in deals. I like the scoring structure here for another key reason as well - it means that there are more volume of valuable assets available than in more reductive scoring structures (where it's easier to stockpile talent) - in more forms of players that have value - so imo it shouldn't be as difficult to compete and close gaps against other teams as it is in other leagues where scoring is heavily weighted towards points (and only slightly offset by penalty minutes, which I personally am against rewarding) - and grit/shutdown type players who hit and/or block shots may have very little value - typically very low value assets that tend to be the cap dumps. Here the scoring system values more players so the pool of possibilities for GMs is expanded. Not sure which deal you didn't take that you should have, but my experience is that when you're offered a top pairing D Best of luck though Surfer - and if you're wanting to acquire a D, I might just have one that could be had LOL. Awesome post (honestly) & thanks for the wish of good luck! It is like pulling teeth getting D. Absolutely! And even more absolute is considering the real value of a player. Which Puck does make more fun! (Props Drew, wherever you are, current execs.) If it were as simple as paying up a player like Nylander for a top pairing D? I would already have my guy. Anybody reading this, please feel free to submit top pairing guys BTW! And I will pay more than just a good young forward. But only one or two have circled into conversations. And some D surfacing would also be the type that categorise as not beasting in all modes either. As is hinted regarding my forward? I am pretty conscious of this. It works in reverse as well. Remember, I traded one a dimensional D who ended up being overpaid. Even took my lumps (as has been pointed out to me , thanks for that also Mo Fo ) doing so. But paid his salary to a forward who is absolutely kicking his ass. Good points are good points. And good young players are good young players. That can be just as rare as D... A deal will surface when there is a good balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Oh shat, ON was right. Paid through the nose? But we have made a deal.... Thanks to all GM's for your inquiries. Although there were some conversations I will now cut off. There are some others we will still consider. Please feel free to keep in touch! But commenting on an alluded post, you would have been welcome to keep Steven Johns for Nylander @oldnews We can have a gentleman's bet as to who develops as a key fantasy player? I do like Johns. Great story & think you did well to get him. Two years ago he did not look like he would make it. Got in better shape. Started fighting for his job. Literally! Throwing his body in front of shots and battling for pucks like his career depended on it. And here he is, productive & making a million bucks in the NHL. Awesome! I would not write off Nylander as a one dimensional forward though. He' has won a roster spot playing for Mike Bacock. Who is not famous for allowing free ice time to flaky forwards. I suspect he will be killing penalties, collecting steals. He's also one of the more gifted athletes drafted the last few years. We like his upside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 That's a nice story about Willie Ny... I'm sure he'll win a Puck scoring title someday...... ......when double flamingos count. Babcock noted on Wednesday that Nylander and Zach Hyman were quickly minus-2 within the first 18 minutes of the game. “That matters to me,” Babcock told reporters. “You score, but if you give them up, it doesn’t make a difference. You can’t give them up. You’ve got to not give them up and then score and then you’ll impress me.” Next up: killing penalties! (just to be clear - this is more a shot at the TML than you CS - part of my birthright as a Westerner). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvery Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 To CAL: Christian Dvorak + J.T. Compher To BOS: Noah Hanifin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 2 hours ago, somethingvery said: To CAL: Christian Dvorak + J.T. Compher To BOS: Noah Hanifin Interesting, fair trade. Three guys with pretty good upside on teams whose future is hard to predict - fairly balanced risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 The Calgary Flames place Mason Raymond on waivers. A bit of role reversal today with @somethingvery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvery Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Master Mind said: The Calgary Flames place Mason Raymond on waivers. A bit of role reversal today with @somethingvery I try to take some of your workload off and this is what I get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 4 hours ago, somethingvery said: To CAL: Christian Dvorak + J.T. Compher To BOS: Noah Hanifin Hopefully not the Prince Albert of trades? (Well, actually...) Thinks Drive by Body Pierce! And to the execs for processing, MM confirmed at 4 am his time (where are you?) Seems to me it was the middle of the night here in Melbourne. We knew we had to give up a good young player, good luck CD, fuming over giving up Compher as well. We thinks he's an engine type player who will have a great future for you. Just the cost of getting a D I guess? And we are taking on a bit of a risk, but are absolutely stoked to be adding Hanafin. Our young blue chip D now includes Morrisey & Hanafin with Juolevi & Sanheim pushing to elevate the squad. Plus several years left on the deals of vets Erik Johnson & Pietrangelo, former 1st and 4th overall picks. Very excited to see what develops of this crew over the next few years. We may not be done also? We can pick up a defenseman others may prefer to trade instead of giving to Captain Azzy for free... We will absolutely be more reasonable, possibly putting high quality play off assets up now. Than what we will offer in the weeks before expansion. All inquiries still welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 16 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: MM confirmed at 4 am his time (where are you?) In my secret lair (that may or may not be in Ontario ) Regardless, I need to stop staying up that late... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive-By Body Pierce Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said: Hopefully not the Prince Albert of trades? (Well, actually...) Thinks Drive by Body Pierce! And to the execs for processing, MM confirmed at 4 am his time (where are you?) Seems to me it was the middle of the night here in Melbourne. We knew we had to give up a good young player, good luck CD, fuming over giving up Compher as well. We thinks he's an engine type player who will have a great future for you. Just the cost of getting a D I guess? And we are taking on a bit of a risk, but are absolutely stoked to be adding Hanafin. Our young blue chip D now includes Morrisey & Hanafin with Juolevi & Sanheim pushing to elevate the squad. Plus several years left on the deals of vets Erik Johnson & Pietrangelo, former 1st and 4th overall picks. Very excited to see what develops of this crew over the next few years. We may not be done also? We can pick up a defenseman others may prefer to trade instead of giving to Captain Azzy for free... We will absolutely be more reasonable, possibly putting high quality play off assets up now. Than what we will offer in the weeks before expansion. All inquiries still welcome! Thanks to the commish team and even moreso @Canuck Surfer for his patience while I fought through the proposals for my young defencemen. We are really excited to add Christain and JT to our young core to help round out a complete effective team for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 16 hours ago, somethingvery said: To CAL: Christian Dvorak + J.T. Compher To BOS: Noah Hanifin Not every trade sees both teams win, but this one really does. Good job guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 On behalf of General Manager @apollo, the Nashville Predators are pleased to announce the re-signings of: Thomas Vanek - 2 years, $4.5m AAV Cal Clutterbuck - 3 years, $3.25m AAV Paul Postma - 1 year, $700k Ryan Fitzgerald - 3 years, $650k AAV Buddy Robinson - 1 year, $700k As well as the signings of: Taylor Cammarata - 3 years, $650k AAV Thomas Novak - 3 years, $650k AAV Anthony Richard - 3 years, $650k AAV Yakov Trenin - 3 years, $700k AAV This puts the Predators at the league maximum of 50 contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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