[Proposal] VAN-WSH and UFA Signings

[Blömqvist]

WSH: Edler and Subban

VAN: Bowey, 2016 1st (26th overall pick), and a 2017 2nd

 

With the 5th overall pick, draft F Pierre-Luc Dubois

With the 26th overall pick, draft F Pascal Laberge

With the 33rd overall pick, draft D Kale Clague

 

Buyout Burrows

Re-sign Hamhuis (3 years at $4M per)

Sign Jason Demers (5 years at $5M per)

Sign Frans Nielsen (3 years at $4.5M per)

 

2016.2017

Daniel - Henrik - Sutter

Baertschi - Nielsen - Hansen

Etem - Horvat - Vey

Kenins - Granlund - Dorsett

Rodin

(Gaunce, McCann, Virtanen in Utica)

 

Hamhuis - Tanev

Hutton - Demers

Sbisa - Tryamkin

Pedan - Larsen

(Bowey, Stecher, Biega in Utica)

 

Markstrom

Miller

 

Vancouver does these moves for four reasons:

1) The addition of Bowey gives Vancouver a potential #1 defenseman of the future, and would make an excellent partner with either Hutton or Tryamkin moving forward. He can be a true #1D, one that Benning covets. He has size, strength, skating ability, good offensive instincts and can be used in every situation. He had a fantastic rookie AHL season this past year (29 points in 70 games while being a +22; 5 points in 14 playoff games) and should be in the AHL for at least one more year for his development.

 

2) Signing Demers rounds up the top-4 defense group on the right side. Furthermore, Demers is only a year older than Tanev and can provide more offense while still having great possession numbers. He also gives Vancouver options moving forward, as we will have Bowey, Tanev, Demers, and Stecher all RHD for trade possibilities. Right handed top-4 defensemen come at a premium in the league.

 

3) With Henrik getting older and our injury luck, Nielsen adds even more insurance down the middle, allowing Sutter to join the Twins and focus on scoring. Nielsen is also one of the most underrated players in the league. In 4 of the past 5 seasons (not including 2015.2016) he has been in the top 20 in Selke voting. At 32 he may be at the start of the downswing of his career, but he did put up 52 points this past season. That said, the downswing may not matter anyways as Horvat continues to improve into 2nd line centre territory.

 

4) The Washington trade gives Vancouver an extra 1st round pick this year and an additional pick in the top 60 in 2017. This gives Benning more chances at top picks during the rebuild.

[ItsMillerTime]

I like it but how do Canucks trade Edler with his NTC? Also how about cap for the capitals. I like Pascal Laberge because he did good with Dubois. Demers is a 4.5 million he is kinda overrated. Also I would rather have anouther Dman with the 26th.

[MeanSeanBean]

We would need to add in the trade I'm pretty sure. That doesn't look even to me, Bowey is a monster and would garnish a healthy return back. 

 

But I like the ideas, nice done. I also think Neilson is a greatly under appreciated player this free agency and would add some nice depth and size down the middle. Demers is my preferred D man signing, and I also think Hammer should stay. 

 

Not a fan of burrows being bought out though, is that necessary due to cap restrictions? I think he's going to have a big bounce back season this year and is worth more on the team then the penalty he would cause due to the buyout. 

[Nuxfanabroad]

Unlikely Wash can just accept that much cap. I'd suggest taking back a contract like Orpik..who they'd prob like to upgrade/exchange for Edler.

 

This would be on the basis that we're doing them a favour, thus they pay with top prospect-pkg.

[Canucks Curse]

i like demers, I like the elder trade, but I would not draft laberge, I would draft Ryan Lindgren or Lucas Johansen. I like the plague pick. JB won't move elder, too much pressure to win now from ownership.

 

Washington, Dallas and ST louis if they lose will need to consider picking up a guy like elder and Hansen.

[Canucks Curse]

10 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Unlikely Wash can just accept that much cap. I'd suggest taking back a contract like Orpik..who they'd prob like to upgrade/exchange for Edler.

 

This would be on the basis that we're doing them a favour, thus they pay with top prospect-pkg.

yup my thoughts exactly, orpik is just too old and his contract "sucks" but for real it sucks so I think washington would do this.

[ForsbergTheGreat]

The one issue is you've got so many d locked up that there's really no room for Bowey to grow into.. Bowey being on the right side means he'd be behind tanev and demers on the depth chart for the next 5 years.

 

id prefer not to make that the demers signing. It might hurt us in the short term but long term opens spots. 

 

I also dont don't think we need another center. Hansen fit fine with the twins. Let sutter play his natural position. And in time horvat can move into that role. 

 

I'm all for signing ufa. But not the ones year suggested

[Blömqvist]

I think the Edler trade is fine. WSH fans on HFBoards would gladly do Bowey and a 1st for Edler. That said, with them already trading away a RHD prospect Connor Carrick, trading away Bowey would deplete their Organization of quality RHD prospects. Subban is a quality offensive RHD that will replace (not totally, of course) Bowey on the right side.

 

The 2nd might be too much, but I feel that a WSH 2017 3rd would be a bit too little considering Subban has already had an excellent AHL rookie season and only looks to trend upwards.

[Blömqvist]

15 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

The one issue is you've got so many d locked up that there's really no room for Bowey to grow into.. Bowey being on the right side means he'd be behind tanev and demers on the depth chart for the next 5 years.

 

id prefer not to make that the demers signing. It might hurt us in the short term but long term opens spots. 

 

I also dont don't think we need another center. Hansen fit fine with the twins. Let sutter play his natural position. And in time horvat can move into that role. 

 

I'm all for signing ufa. But not the ones year suggested

Defensemen take a while to develop. Bowey will need at least 1 more year in the AHL, then in year 2 he will be looking at #6/7 minutes as he gets prepared for the NHL pace and strength. Year 3 he should be a regular, at least third pair, then it goes from there. Years 4/5 he'll be looking to grow into the top 4, and by then Tanev and Demers will be nearing the end of their contracts, which is near perfect timing for a deadline trade.

[Blömqvist]

1 hour ago, ItsMillerTime said:

I like it but how do Canucks trade Edler with his NTC? Also how about cap for the capitals. I like Pascal Laberge because he did good with Dubois. Demers is a 4.5 million he is kinda overrated. Also I would rather have anouther Dman with the 26th.

 

1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Unlikely Wash can just accept that much cap. I'd suggest taking back a contract like Orpik..who they'd prob like to upgrade/exchange for Edler.

 

This would be on the basis that we're doing them a favour, thus they pay with top prospect-pkg.

 

I think Edler would waive. He'd be in a major metropolitan city and has a real good shot at winning the cup with Ovechkin and fellow countrymates Backstrom, Johansson, and Burakovsky. 

 

For 2016.2017, Washington has $58.6M committed to 9 forwards, 6 defensemen, and 2 goalies. Notable re-signings include Marcus Johansson (RFA), Tom Wilson (RFA), and Dmitry Orlov (RFA). It may be tough to keep everyone while adding Edler, but they may need a slight shakeup in their roster to go further into the playoffs too.

[shazzam]

It's all up to Edler. He will generate some serious interest if he wants to move. He is in his prime and this will give him a chance at the cup. Anything is possible in the East. This would round out their top 4 nicely.

 

I agree, we could eat Orpiks ugly ass contract. But they really have to sweeten the pot because that thing is untouchable

[tyhee]

1 hour ago, Blömqvist said:

... WSH fans on HFBoards would gladly do Bowey and a 1st for Edler.

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Could you provide a link to a thread on hfboards where Washington fans have discussed this?

[Fanuck]

3 hours ago, Blömqvist said:

WSH: Edler and Subban

VAN: Bowey, 2016 1st (26th overall pick), and a 2017 2nd

 

Stopped here because nothing I've witnessed indicates Brian MacLellan is in the habit of getting completely fleeced by his GM counterparts. 

[Blömqvist]

21 minutes ago, tyhee said:

Could you provide a link to a thread on hfboards where Washington fans have discussed this?

It was a little while back. Before the deadline. One of the threads where different teams throw their offers for Edler and Bowey and a WSH 1st came up quite a few times by Caps fans.

[Blömqvist]

2 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

Stopped here because nothing I've witnessed indicates Brian MacLellan is in the habit of getting completely fleeced by his GM counterparts. 

It isn't that much off as to "getting completely fleeced"

 

Their 2nd is going to be pick 56-60, and Subban has pretty good value. Definitely he's at least worth a 3rd considering his development over the years.

 

If anything take out Subban and their 2nd and you have a fair framework of a trade that works out for both teams. Edler is worth a late first and an A prospect. 

 

WSH: Edler

VAN: Bowey and WSH 1st (26th overall pick)

[mll]

Washington will not trade Bowey - they already made the mistake of moving a prospect too soon in Forsberg.  They also don't need to make such a trade - they were fine in the regular season.  They'll reassess their options at the next TDL.

 

MacLellan has already spoken several times of wanting to bring Bowey up for a few games next season (spoke about it again today).  He thinks he'll be in the lineup the year after.  He talked of how it was a mistake to have Wilson up too early and that it hurt his development.  They aren't going to rush Bowey - he'll be the Alzner replacement who hits UFA in the year they expect Bowey to crack the lineup.  

 

There's also expansion - if they bring in Edler it's likely they lose a D and it will hurt them to not have Bowey as replacement. 

[BI3KSA-]

Edler is likely only worth Bowey and a first at the deadline and Subban hasnt done anything to warrant a 2nd coming back in a trade for him. 

How does Washington fit Edler under their cap? 

Why do those UFAs, or any UFAs for that matter, sign with us, a team that just traded their best defensemen? I dont know about you, but that doesnt make for a very attractive destination to me, and I'm only going to come to a situation like that if I'm being overpaid. 

[ForsbergTheGreat]

9 hours ago, Blömqvist said:

Defensemen take a while to develop. Bowey will need at least 1 more year in the AHL, then in year 2 he will be looking at #6/7 minutes as he gets prepared for the NHL pace and strength. Year 3 he should be a regular, at least third pair, then it goes from there. Years 4/5 he'll be looking to grow into the top 4, and by then Tanev and Demers will be nearing the end of their contracts, which is near perfect timing for a deadline trade.

Yep D do take a while but we've plugged up the top 4 for the next 3 years. That doesn't allow any room for our other D; Stetcher, Tryamkin, Pedan to grow into.  If canucks are trading Edler for a young RHD, I'd rather Severson who's a year older, more NHL ready and has a higher ceiling. (And this is coming from a cap fan, who's fairly high on Bowey)

 

And NJ could use a top 4 LHD D, where WSH doesn't have that need or the cap.  Orpik is their meanness on the back end and alzner is a consistently solid. 

[Blömqvist]

8 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Yep D do take a while but we've plugged up the top 4 for the next 3 years. That doesn't allow any room for our other D; Stetcher, Tryamkin, Pedan to grow into.  If canucks are trading Edler for a young RHD, I'd rather Severson who's a year older, more NHL ready and has a higher ceiling. (And this is coming from a cap fan, who's fairly high on Bowey)

 

And NJ could use a top 4 LHD D, where WSH doesn't have that need or the cap.  Orpik is their meanness on the back end and alzner is a consistently solid. 

In that case, we could always trade away assets to get value in return. Teams like Chicago do it all the time and manage to stay competitive with their core. The cycling of players is what we should as an organization start doing. It's the only way to remain competitive in a cap league.

 

If all of our defensemen turn out into top 4 guys then that's a good thing. Trade the expensive ones and allow the younger guys to grow into their position in the lineup. Similar to what Chicago did with Byfuglien, Ladd, and Brouwer. Cycling them into prospects and picks, and letting their own young guys like Saad, Shaw, and Teravainen grow into more prominent roles.

 

I like the Severson idea. Very much so haha! But I dunno if Edler would waive to go to New Jersey. In Washington he'd be on a contender, in New Jersey they'd be fighting for a playoff spot.

[ChampStatus]

On 5/24/2016 at 7:28 PM, Blömqvist said:

WSH: Edler and Subban

VAN: Bowey, 2016 1st (26th overall pick), and a 2017 2nd

LOL......

Edler and Subban for

 

They Might do it if there was not 1st round pick