captaincowbasher Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Originally I wanted J.B. to move Edler as he is one of our best assets and we could probably see a nice return. But what if we keep Edler, let Hamhuis walk(unfortunately) and try and deal for an up and coming RD. Say a player like Trouba. This might be a possibilty as Winnipeg is going to be tight on the budget. They currently have 24 million of cap space but when you think of they players that they must resign and the coming of either Laine or Mathews that 24 million will be spent. What will it take to land a player like Trouba? With W.D. stating that winning is priority and that the NHL is not a development league, there is no doubt that the Canucks will be active in the UFA market as Canuck Nation would never support this club if it wasn't close to the cap, so expect the a couple of decent size UFA signings that support the "Winning Now" train of thought. Eriksson is almost a for sure thing. He will be the best fit that the Sedins have ever had so that should give the Twins a nice bump. Eriksson a 4 year deal at 6.5mil/yr. The second line will be anchored by Sutter but his wingers are a mystery, but I think J.B. will build this line through free agency as well, Home town boys Brouwer and Lucic are probably the targets and think of how well this would go over with Canuck Nation. Two big, skillfull and impossing players that this team needs and has lacked for years. I know that puts us over the cap but no way are Higgins or Burrows going to be here next year. Burrows to either Montreal or the Rangers and Higgy off to NYI for late picks(that's 5.5million off the books) and that pays for Brouwer. Back to Trouba, I propose we deal Hansen(3 million off the books), our 2nd-2016 and Baertschi. This deal keeps in mind Winnipeg's cap and their amazing ability to turn picks into bonafide players. Winnipeg gets an extremely versatile player on the cheap and a bright young winger. New look lines: Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson Lucic-Sutter-Brouwer McCann-Horvat-Virtanen Etem-Granlund-Rodin Edler-Tanev Hutton-Trouba Sbisa-Tryamkin This would be a team i could get excited about. Much more depth, size and skill. With our first round pick probably being Dubois and Boeser soon to be here a progression plan for the Sedins looks to be in effect. We would definately be pushing for a playoff spot and could compete with the big boys. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircool Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 35 minutes ago, captaincowbasher said: Originally I wanted J.B. to move Edler as he is one of our best assets and we could probably see a nice return. But what if we keep Edler, let Hamhuis walk(unfortunately) and try and deal for an up and coming RD. Say a player like Trouba. This might be a possibilty as Winnipeg is going to be tight on the budget. They currently have 24 million of cap space but when you think of they players that they must resign and the coming of either Laine or Mathews that 24 million will be spent. What will it take to land a player like Trouba? With W.D. stating that winning is priority and that the NHL is not a development league, there is no doubt that the Canucks will be active in the UFA market as Canuck Nation would never support this club if it wasn't close to the cap, so expect the a couple of decent size UFA signings that support the "Winning Now" train of thought. Eriksson is almost a for sure thing. He will be the best fit that the Sedins have ever had so that should give the Twins a nice bump. Eriksson a 4 year deal at 6.5mil/yr. The second line will be anchored by Sutter but his wingers are a mystery, but I think J.B. will build this line through free agency as well, Home town boys Brouwer and Lucic are probably the targets and think of how well this would go over with Canuck Nation. Two big, skillfull and impossing players that this team needs and has lacked for years. I know that puts us over the cap but no way are Higgins or Burrows going to be here next year. Burrows to either Montreal or the Rangers and Higgy off to NYI for late picks(that's 5.5million off the books) and that pays for Brouwer. Back to Trouba, I propose we deal Hansen(3 million off the books), our 2nd-2016 and Baertschi. This deal keeps in mind Winnipeg's cap and their amazing ability to turn picks into bonafide players. Winnipeg gets an extremely versatile player on the cheap and a bright young winger. New look lines: Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson Lucic-Sutter-Brouwer McCann-Horvat-Virtanen Etem-Granlund-Rodin Edler-Tanev Hutton-Trouba Sbisa-Tryamkin This would be a team i could get excited about. Much more depth, size and skill. With our first round pick probably being Dubois and Boeser soon to be here a progression plan for the Sedins looks to be in effect. We would definately be pushing for a playoff spot and could compete with the big boys. Thoughts? well I'm of the opinion that this team needs a full rebuild. Even if you signed all those players and somehow traded for Trouba (not happening), I don't think that team would be very good. It would never contend for a cup and would just delay Vancouver winning its first cup. So basically I hate this entirely. Also I don't think there is enough of a succession plan for the Sedins, I think you are gambling hard on that one. I'd like to see Dubois (if that is indeed who we draft) play in the NHL first, and see him progress before I end any rebuild, no guarantee he has 1st line upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Eriksson is a great addition to that line - on international ice - but in the Western Conference of the NHL, imo they require a better forechecking / physical presence than Eriksson can provide. Imo it's Sutter, Hansen or a UFA like Okposo - but who knows. I also highly doubt that the Jets let go of Trouba. I think they create cap space if necessary by other means than moving Trouba. I also don't think Trouba has earned a huge contract yet, with a big cap hit over long term. I think he should come in at a bridge deal in the range of a couple years at 3 or 3.5 million - help his team - and revisit the term and cap in a couple years when they can review his production and progress and reassess his market value. At this point, imo Trouba expecting an albatross contract is premature, despite how good his potential is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 While I do believe the Canucks are going to pursue Eriksson, Lucic, Brouwer... hopefully landing 2 of them... And ALSO going hard for a younger top 4 D, that package for Trouba is laughed at. Its not in the same universe as what it will take to land him. The reality of the Canucks landing Trouba is that it simply will not happen. While I do think the jets could explore moving him, it'll only be for a stud center, alla Johansen for Jones. Edmonton easily has the inside track here. I see Barrie and Vatanen as targets. Both Col and Ana will be just fine with packages including prospects, picks, and a roster player with a value contract (Hansen). Colorado will also likely want a D in the deal, but Im unsure to what we would potentially give up. Solid proposal. Rational with exception of landing Trouba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Also to those who want Okposo... Go and see what Islander fans think of the guy. They are ready and waiting to laugh at whomever overpays for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Type R Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 To land Trouba, its more likely our first rounder, McCann, and Hutton. And now that I look at that, sub out McCann and replace with Horvat, which would be out of the question for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaincowbasher Posted May 25, 2016 Author Share Posted May 25, 2016 27 minutes ago, Type R said: To land Trouba, its more likely our first rounder, McCann, and Hutton. And now that I look at that, sub out McCann and replace with Horvat, which would be out of the question for me. i agree, if that's the type of pieces Winnipeg would want then no way. Also, you might be spot on because it seems Chevy. wins all the deals he makes. Then maybe Vatanen is more achievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Type R Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Its interesting, because Anaheim is in a bit of a spot, and I like their blueline that they can't quite afford. Vatanen would be interesting, but another thought I had was Anderson. I believe hes an upgrade on Miller, and I'm honestly not sold on Markstrom yet. Anderson/Markstrom for 3 years until Demko is ready would be awesome, and Miller could be trade bait for something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 34 minutes ago, Type R said: To land Trouba, its more likely our first rounder, McCann, and Hutton. And now that I look at that, sub out McCann and replace with Horvat, which would be out of the question for me the Jets move him to the Eastern Conference. FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Trouba would prob fetch a Drouin, before such a mediocre pkg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMillerTime Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Trouba isn't worth our 1st! Or even Baertschi. He is gonna want a big overpayment! Also winnipeg too! Just sign a guy and only give up money not Baerstchi horvat mccann 1st subban demko! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, ItsMillerTime said: Trouba isn't worth our 1st! Or even Baertschi. He is gonna want a big overpayment! Also winnipeg too! Just sign a guy and only give up money not Baerstchi horvat mccann 1st subban demko! We can get McJesus in that package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 I don't understand the logic of keeping Edler over Hamhuis. I believe both provide similar value but only one of them will yield assets in return. Trade Edler, sign Hammer and we are already a better team. Easy peezy lemon squeezy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 hour ago, VIC_CITY said: I don't understand the logic of keeping Edler over Hamhuis. I believe both provide similar value but only one of them will yield assets in return. Trade Edler, sign Hammer and we are already a better team. Easy peezy lemon squeezy! ?? We already had Edler and Hamhuis and we were the 3rd worst team so removing Edler does not mean we are better.... it means we are worse. maybe that means we get good assets for the future and be better later down the road but as of right now we would be worse... To the OP. I agree that Edler gets too much hate, really he's our only puck moving power play guy and while he's not the best at that position he's still a good option for the second powerplay or as the second defenceman on the point on the first powerplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 6 hours ago, oldnews said: Eriksson is a great addition to that line - on international ice - but in the Western Conference of the NHL, imo they require a better forechecking / physical presence than Eriksson can provide. Imo it's Sutter, Hansen or a UFA like Okposo - but who knows. I also highly doubt that the Jets let go of Trouba. I think they create cap space if necessary by other means than moving Trouba. I also don't think Trouba has earned a huge contract yet, with a big cap hit over long term. I think he should come in at a bridge deal in the range of a couple years at 3 or 3.5 million - help his team - and revisit the term and cap in a couple years when they can review his production and progress and reassess his market value. At this point, imo Trouba expecting an albatross contract is premature, despite how good his potential is. Eriksson was mentioned in the same breath as the Selke more than once. He's on par with Hansen as a fore checker I would think? More likely to put up points doing it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 we need a rebuild. plane and simple. Trade elder, Hansen and keep burrows to help the young kids stay honest. Re sign hammer to cheap to help mentor the youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 10 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Eriksson was mentioned in the same breath as the Selke more than once. He's on par with Hansen as a fore checker I would think? More likely to put up points doing it... ? How do you equate Selke talk with necessarily being a Hansen quality forechecker? And regardless, I think you're confusing the fact that Bergeron is the Selke candidate while Eriksson is actually a Lady Byng type - was nominated for the Lady Byng. Selke talk? Doesn't really translate into what you're - who knows what you're actually doing there. Only 17 of Eriksson's 30 goals were even strength, and he's also a player that is known for scoring in transition, off the rush. So you can "I would think" about that, but maybe instead of pulling this kind of stuff out of nowhere.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 54 minutes ago, oldnews said: ? How do you equate Selke talk with necessarily being a Hansen quality forechecker? And regardless, I think you're confusing the fact that Bergeron is the Selke candidate while Eriksson is actually a Lady Byng type - was nominated for the Lady Byng. Selke talk? Doesn't really translate into what you're - who knows what you're actually doing there. Only 17 of Eriksson's 30 goals were even strength, and he's also a player that is known for scoring in transition, off the rush. So you can "I would think" about that, but maybe instead of pulling this kind of stuff out of nowhere.... Eriksson was discussed several years in a row as a possible finalist in Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Canuck Surfer said: Eriksson was discussed several years in a row as a possible finalist in Dallas. must be a Hansenesque forechecker then. k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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