Green Building Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, Losing With Pride said: Although I'm still indifferent about this trade... There are some factors to consider: 1- Did you see McCann when he was drafted... looked miserable. 2- Someone pointed out Reinhart/Hamilton (I know Hamilton was apparently not a locker room favourite) 3- Gudbranson is a great guy (apparently) in the dressing room and future captain material. I think the big thing is having a solid locker room. Get everyone buying into the program and working as a team. That's how you win Stanley Cups. Make sure you don't take that out of context like so many other have. He was miserable because he didn't believe he would fall so far in the 1st round, not because of who drafted him. He's a good kid who just happened to be around at a time we have more forward prospects than competent RHD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 10 hours ago, newgm said: McCann's a great young talent with the upside to be a 30 goal scorer in 3 or 4 years maybe. Even so, this is so obviously a grand slam home run, seems bizarre to read the naysayers whining over 100 pages, although they all seem to qualify their disapproval with the fact they all like Gudbranson..... but....his upside is limited, he provides little offence, the 2nd is over payment, he might not re-sign and if he does he'll be too expensive blahblahblah. Can't believe Florida gifted us a monster RHD-man for McCann, the 33rd and switching 4&5th picks, I would have paid more. This is likely a game changing trade because it creates a cascade of opportunities to shuffle assets and priorities. It's like a shot of adrenaline into the heart of this organization. Thank god JB didn't hesitate to pull the trigger on this one, it's payback for the Ballard and Booth trades in spades I might add. And it keeps Gudbranson away from our western competitors, I'll take him over the unpopular Hamilton or Reinhart. Gudbranson and Tryamkin, talk about a dramatic facelift to our backend in skill, size, depth and toughness. If this new Florida boss Rowe actually made this move based on analytics he shouldn't try handicapping horse races, seems to have traded away a sure winner for a bet to show. Great post. McCann will likely be a very good centre in a few years, maybe even a first or second liner. The second round pick could be Tyler Benson. He too might be a very good player too. We got a huge top 4 D man who is getting close to his prime. He is less than 2 years older than Hutton, and 2 years younger than Tanev. He is not done developing yet, despite the fact that he has been in the NHL for 5 years. This is a good trade for both teams. Just because we didn't rob the Panther's does not make this a bad deal. It costs good assets to get good assets. Many people are looking at analytics and saying that he is not a 2nd pairing Dman.....I don't feel that are many teams in the league that he does not fit into that 2nd pairing. I'd be curious to see what teams people feel Gudbranson would be a 3rd pairing on? I think you would have a hard time naming more than 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Hockey trade which imo maybe favours our club a bit more. That being said so many here are acting like jb lost the trade just because we didn't embarrass the other club in a landslide victory. Time for a reality check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Krzysl said: If we don't resign EG then we lost McCann and 2nd rounder for nothing. EG will want money and also was on Florida when they were bottom of the barrel. Florida finally became good and then he gets traded to another bottom of the barrel team. Why would he want to rebuild again, why not wait for free agency and go to a more ready team. We could have easily lost this trade very badly. Gudbranson is an RFA after next season, so moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Krzysl said: If we don't resign EG then we lost McCann and 2nd rounder for nothing. EG will want money and also was on Florida when they were bottom of the barrel. Florida finally became good and then he gets traded to another bottom of the barrel team. Why would he want to rebuild again, why not wait for free agency and go to a more ready team. We could have easily lost this trade very badly. Omg what if we make the trade and then a comet falls out the sky, instantly liquifying Earth's crust and vaporizing the oceans all at the same time? We should never do anything cause maybe just maybe the worst case scenario will happen. There is absolutely no reason to believe the EG won't want to stay here for the rest of his career. What if we re-sign him to an amazingly affordable long term contract then he grows into a top 10 dman in the league going on to win a couple of Norris Trophies, a couple of Conn Smythes and leads the Canuck's to their first three Stanley cups before he is first balloted into the hockey HOF? Don't think that will happen? Well if you can lay out the very worst possible scenario I get to lay out the best possible scenario too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 2 hours ago, gizmo2337 said: With this trade, the emergence of Tryamkin, and the Larsen signing, suddenly our D doesn't look like a train wreck any more. Sure Tryamkin needs some conditioning, but having seen what is expected of him, I'm sure he is working on it right now. Actually, our D is looking more like a wrecking ball than a train wreck! Gudbranson is a huge addition, something we've been missing for a long time. His play reminds me of Willie Mitchell. He's only 24 though, and is meaner and carries a larger frame. Even if we have a logjam on defence, maybe just dress a 7th D and park Gudbranson in front of the net on the PP? He'd be really hard to move. I can't see how anyone would hate this trade. We acquired a young franchise player, defender, and leader for 3 "maybe" NHL'ers. Even if we are signing him at +5m per in January, he is a huge upturn in dollar value over some of the heavy contracts we have been carrying. Thanks to the expiration of contracts like Vrbatta, Hamhuis, and others.. JB can finally start to get the dollar value right, and purposely pursue other opportunities that make sense for this Club. From everything I have read about EG, he is a very mature young man, strong mentally, physically, and will help install the "full game" mentality in our great looking D prospects. He is one that will lead by example and earn his respect quickly on a team that is getting younger and looking for positive leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 10 hours ago, Ossi Vaananen said: We've got to work Larsen into these predictive lineups somehow. He's someone who we need producing offense. Edler - Tanev Hutton - Gudbranson Tryamkin - Larsen Biega, Pedan, Sbisa (Hamhuis) logjam on D if Hamhuis does get signed. Have to think someone else is on the move. Personally I would rather let Hamhuis go now,. There is enough of a veteran presence on our D without him. Leaves more room for a prospect to run with or rotate in with the team. I like your list, let's start the 2016-17 season already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thad Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 I came up with a new drinking game. Go to panthers hfboards and take a shot every time someone says "wtf! there goes our next captain". Slam your beer every time someone says "I'm done with this team". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boddy604 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Krzysl said: If we don't resign EG then we lost McCann and 2nd rounder for nothing. EG will want money and also was on Florida when they were bottom of the barrel. Florida finally became good and then he gets traded to another bottom of the barrel team. Why would he want to rebuild again, why not wait for free agency and go to a more ready team. We could have easily lost this trade very badly. Gudbranson will still be an RFA so even if he chooses to not take an extension or a new contract, Canucks retain his rights and can recoup in a trade. But Canucks have a TON of cap opening up over the next few seasons so is Gudbranson really going to turn down a deal in the range of 25-30 million for 6 years? Probably not. Gartieg and Demko battle it out in Utica this year and the more ready of the 2 probably backs up Markstrom after Miller is gone. Burrows off the books. Higgins off the books. That's literally 12 million dollars of open cap for positions that are already filled now. The year after, it's the Sedins, Hansen, Dorsett, Sbisa, Edler and another 30 million. Staying in Vancouver could be VERY lucrative for Gudbranson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, thad said: I came up with a new drinking game. Go to panthers hfboards and take a shot every time someone says "wtf! there goes our next captain". Slam your beer every time someone says "I'm done with this team". You could also search that on Twitter with Canucks fans saying that. You'd probably be out in 5 minutes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 15 hours ago, Shift-4 said: I can't agree with that. Ohlund was much further ahead with decision making and puck moving. Gudbranson bigger and tougher. Edit: but holy crap if Gudbranson can get there..........AWESOME 14 hours ago, J.R. said: I'm not saying carbon copy but I think he has more to give offensively say in the 20-25 point range at his peak. And yeah, he's even meaner Definitely meaner. Even if Ohlund hit hard, he didn't have a mean streak per se. Ohlund definitely was more poised with the puck and patrolling the point offensively. Guddy will help us, that's for sure. If it'll just (or mostly) be defensively or if he'll help offensively is the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boddy604 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, elvis15 said: Definitely meaner. Even if Ohlund hit hard, he didn't have a mean streak per se. Ohlund definitely was more poised with the puck and patrolling the point offensively. Guddy will help us, that's for sure. If it'll just (or mostly) be defensively or if he'll help offensively is the question. I think having Gudbranson will allow Hutton to play the offensive zone more as basically a 4th forward. If Hutton scores more goals this year you can likely credit Gudbranson in part for that. Hutton had to be careful this year cuz he spent so much of it with guys like Sbisa and Weber. Trickle down effect of having a guy like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 25 minutes ago, thad said: I came up with a new drinking game. Go to panthers hfboards and take a shot every time someone says "wtf! there goes our next captain". Slam your beer every time someone says "I'm done with this team". If you return to that board, you will notice that most of them are now slagging Guds and gloating about getting McCann and the 2nd. Very similar to what has happened here. Hockey fans trying to create a win for their team. I think it was a good trade for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TimberWolf Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Panthers fans being upset doesn't make this a slam dunk. Keep in mind we are two different teams with different needs. Panthers have already done the drafting, sucking and trading for youth and building for the future. They want toys they can play with now. Getting a pick and prospect for a guy that's pretty easy to like kinda messes with that, it's understandable that they are balking. We're a team in a different state. I like the player we got but I would prefer to keep Hammer and promote Tryamkin before giving up all the picks. If we were in contention I would be more open to welcoming such a move but we are not. That said and as I said before, I won't take it out on the player and pretend he sucks or something like some on this forum do to players they disliked being traded here but I will grumble about JB and co. Not a fan of them and it's not looking good I'll ever be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losing With Pride Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 33 minutes ago, TimberWolf said: Panthers fans being upset doesn't make this a slam dunk. Keep in mind we are two different teams with different needs. Panthers have already done the drafting, sucking and trading for youth and building for the future. They want toys they can play with now. Getting a pick and prospect for a guy that's pretty easy to like kinda messes with that, it's understandable that they are balking. We're a team in a different state. I like the player we got but I would prefer to keep Hammer and promote Tryamkin before giving up all the picks. If we were in contention I would be more open to welcoming such a move but we are not. That said and as I said before, I won't take it out on the player and pretend he sucks or something like some on this forum do to players they disliked being traded here but I will grumble about JB and co. Not a fan of them and it's not looking good I'll ever be. They could always package up what they get for McCann and trade for something even bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 I really liked Mccann, thought he could have had a bright future here. But let's be honest, he was the lesser of our high end prospects. I think the goal should be find somebody better than Bo for that #1 job and I don't want to hold my breath for that being Mac. I see him as a solid 45-50 maybe the odd 60pt yr centre. That's great but I trade him before Jake Boeser Demko Bo or the 5th. Once we make our pick this year we'd be asking wtf are we going to do on the blue line even more than we were last year. Tkachuk or Dubois will instantly become our top prospect and Mac will become even more expendable. I think we needed to make this trade eventually and I'm damn happy I didn't wake up to Gudbranson is an oiler news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 14 minutes ago, thad said: I really liked Mccann, thought he could have had a bright future here. But let's be honest, he was the lesser of our high end prospects. I think the goal should be find somebody better than Bo for that #1 job and I don't want to hold my breath for that being Mac. I see him as a solid 45-50 maybe the odd 60pt yr centre. That's great but I trade him before Jake Boeser Demko Bo or the 5th. Once we make our pick this year we'd be asking wtf are we going to do on the blue line even more than we were last year. Tkachuk or Dubois will instantly become our top prospect and Mac will become even more expendable. I think we needed to make this trade eventually and I'm damn happy I didn't wake up to Gudbranson is an oiler news. Virtanen, Demko, and Boeser are all better prospects than Dubust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 32 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Virtanen, Demko, and Boeser are all better prospects than Dubust. I'd prefer Tkachuk too, bud but I'd still be pumped on Dubois. JB knows his kids and whoever he picks I'll have faith he is the better player. My YouTube scouting isn't quite at Jims level yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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