Western Red Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 17 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Larsen is a right hander too. Maybe Tryamkin will play on his natural side. Counting Biega, that's 4 righties. Blew me away too. Totally out of left field. I thought there was some kind of a rule that there would be no trades until after the SCF. Turns out it's rare because teams are still reviewing and assessing There must be something more than meets the eye between FLA and Van. Going back to Bure before the Aquilinis owned the team? Also funny that they're the farthest away from each other that any NHL club could be. I love it! We get them sometimes (Gudbranson? Higgins, Auld, Luongo), and other times, they seem to edge us out (Bure, Ballard, Luongo) Strikes me that possibly, other GM's were blindsided and are maybe upset that they didn't have that initiative Trader Jim did. A la Cody Hodgson back when. Seems funny now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I'm just glad Benning jumped on this trade, and EDM missed the boat. EDM needs D and they would've loved to get Gudbranson I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 10 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I'm just glad Benning jumped on this trade, and EDM missed the boat. EDM needs D and they would've loved to get Gudbranson I'm sure. Benning said he was the first guy Rowe called. It sounded like nobody else knew about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losing With Pride Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 46 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Benning said he was the first guy Rowe called. It sounded like nobody else knew about it. So maybe he Rowe was targeting McCann? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 17 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Benning said he was the first guy Rowe called. It sounded like nobody else knew about it. Most likely Rowe preferred McCann, Virtanen, Boeser, Horvat over any of the Edmonton players not including McDavid, Draisaitl, Hall. After Benning offered McCann and added the second the deal was sealed. Rowe probably didn't want to add big salary as that was the issue with Guds, so Eberle and RNH were probably not his target players. And he probably valued McCann over Yakupov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 7 hours ago, WHL rocks said: Vey sucks. plain and simple. Okay......well argued I will have to re-evaluate my opinion based on this rock-solid case you make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, drummerboy said: I just read back a page. It's mentioned there. Cool place to visit. I just kinda wish I knew how he felt about it. Canadian kid coming to a hockey market in a beautiful city. I'm sure he is stoked. But he was in line to be Floridas captain. He probably liked it there. Just for the record the whole "Vancouver is soo beautiful and great propaganda isn't accepted by people who don't live here" This is not a "prime destination" it is over-priced, wet and the people here are not very nice, go live outside Canada for a for a few years and you'll see just what I mean. In case you haven't heard: Vancouver has been named the most "unhappy city" in Canda, our postal service is on an international black list for post offices, so they can see which mail services are not to be trusted, and the fact that the whole city has been given up without a fight to Chinese money launders who also collect welfare checks while moving their millions, is an international joke. The cost of living is totally out of sync with the standard residents earnings, oh, and our police and politicians do little more then collect fines and taxes, if they don't have to do it they don't, and they would NEVER do anything to represent the interests of people affected by the conditions I listed. This city needs a riot Welcome to Terminal city Gudbransson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 32 minutes ago, terrible.dee said: Just for the record the whole "Vancouver is soo beautiful and great propaganda isn't accepted by people who don't live here" This is not a "prime destination" it is over-priced, wet and the people here are not very nice, go live outside Canada for a for a few years and you'll see just what I mean. In case you haven't heard: Vancouver has been named the most "unhappy city" in Canda, our postal service is on an international black list for post offices, so they can see which mail services are not to be trusted, and the fact that the whole city has been given up without a fight to Chinese money launders who also collect welfare checks while moving their millions, is an international joke. The cost of living is totally out of sync with the standard residents earnings, oh, and our police and politicians do little more then collect fines and taxes, if they don't have to do it they don't, and they would NEVER do anything to represent the interests of people affected by the conditions I listed. This city needs a riot Welcome to Terminal city Gudbransson What the hell does this have to do with your complaining? I'm not from Vancouver. And while he's right, the people are hip douchebags, the city is absolutely beautiful. I wouldn't live there, but it is beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Soldier Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 minute ago, drummerboy said: What the hell does this have to do with your complaining? I'm not from Vancouver. And while he's, the people are hip douchebags, the city is absolutely beautiful. I wouldn't live there, but it is beautiful. Can confirm. Love Vancouver, loathe (most) Vancouverites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 4 hours ago, Shift-4 said: Well duh. That's the position he plays. And why hasn't the analytics brigade picked up on him needing to take more shots from outside the blue line I'm sure he's getting some of those fed to him as one timers but (and it explains this a bit more in the link) he has on more than a few of those gotten the puck and actually backed himself into the corner. Sure, he still gets a shot away, but more as a last option before he gets pushed out. He doesn't have room to make a pass to the other point with the forechecker having chased him to the blue line, or have much of an angle to create a better chance. Certainly, he doesn't do this all the time, but he does do it - particularly on plays where he should have had ample time to get into a strong position (or at least hold the one he had). It speaks to his confidence with the puck, and also his ability to think through the play. One of those will have to improve for him to get better in that aspect. If he's just relying on more offensive zone starts and Hutton and the forwards to pass him the puck and hope to score more, then he's not doing enough. For comparison, here's Gudbranson's shooting chart from this year: http://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/icetrack/?r1Id=550753&r1Year=2015&r1eventType='SHOT'%2C+'GOAL'&r1type=1&r1strength=&r2Id=330091&r2Year=2015&r2eventType='SHOT'%2C+'GOAL'&r2type=1&r2strength= Take that and compare it to Edler's. Gudbranson's is very centered on that right point towards the corner of the boards and the blue line. Edler's is on the opposite side of course, and does have more shots centered in a similar spot, but also has much more of a spread towards the slot and into the circle. Look at Ekblad's, look at Campbell's. Hell, look at Sbisa's and see how it's spread across the blue line. 2 hours ago, Crabcakes said: ... Blew me away too. Totally out of left field. I thought there was some kind of a rule that there would be no trades until after the SCF. Turns out it's rare because teams are still reviewing and assessing Usually anything other than minor trades are held until after all teams are done. Otherwise you're limiting the trading partners to maximize your return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 ^Which makes this soo bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Let's just say "highly unusual". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, elvis15 said: Let's just say "highly unusual". I'd say 'highly opportunistic.' For who depends on your point of view. Clearly both sides think it is them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Respek Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 13 hours ago, drummerboy said: He is right. Who cares about 2011. 5 years ago man. Grow up and get over it. If, Lucic can bring a cup to Vancouver, why wouldn't you want hi on your team? Because he played like a beast against us in the playoffs? Good. That's what we need. Nobody had a problem with us signing Willie Mitchell, and he was the #1 reason we lost to Minnesota years back. Im sick of all this emotional attachments people have to players. I like who is gonna make us win. Personally, when is comes to a sport you are trying to win a championship. Not make friends. I don't care about class off the ice, I don't care if they play dirty. As long as they win Well I guess that shows the kind of person you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, theminister said: I'd say 'highly opportunistic.' For who depends on your point of view. Clearly both sides think it is them. Perhaps they're both right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, elvis15 said: I'm sure he's getting some of those fed to him as one timers but (and it explains this a bit more in the link) he has on more than a few of those gotten the puck and actually backed himself into the corner. Sure, he still gets a shot away, but more as a last option before he gets pushed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, elvis15 said: I'm sure he's getting some of those fed to him as one timers but (and it explains this a bit more in the link) he has on more than a few of those gotten the puck and actually backed himself into the corner. Sure, he still gets a shot away, but more as a last option before he gets pushed out. He doesn't have room to make a pass to the other point with the forechecker having chased him to the blue line, or have much of an angle to create a better chance. Certainly, he doesn't do this all the time, but he does do it - particularly on plays where he should have had ample time to get into a strong position (or at least hold the one he had). It speaks to his confidence with the puck, and also his ability to think through the play. One of those will have to improve for him to get better in that aspect. If he's just relying on more offensive zone starts and Hutton and the forwards to pass him the puck and hope to score more, then he's not doing enough. For comparison, here's Gudbranson's shooting chart from this year: http://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/icetrack/?r1Id=550753&r1Year=2015&r1eventType='SHOT'%2C+'GOAL'&r1type=1&r1strength=&r2Id=330091&r2Year=2015&r2eventType='SHOT'%2C+'GOAL'&r2type=1&r2strength= Take that and compare it to Edler's. Gudbranson's is very centered on that right point towards the corner of the boards and the blue line. Edler's is on the opposite side of course, and does have more shots centered in a similar spot, but also has much more of a spread towards the slot and into the circle. Look at Ekblad's, look at Campbell's. Hell, look at Sbisa's and see how it's spread across the blue line. Usually anything other than minor trades are held until after all teams are done. Otherwise you're limiting the trading partners to maximize your return. There's a difference when a D is getting PP time. They often set up on their off-side. Not sure why you include my comment in this post. Are you trying to say that Rowe was deliberately trying to limit the number of teams that were paying attention? In other words, that he was trying to play Benning? Passing him a lemon? I think that Benning knows pretty well what he's got. It's a defensive specialist. A player who gets the tough assignments and has a physical presence. I'd really like to see if the Canucks can get some development from Gudbranson. They did a crappy job with Markstrom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 We all expect Gudbranson to be a solid defensive D based on his point totals so far. I just wanted to point out that Chara only had about 30 points in his first 230 games (about 0.125 ppg) whereas Gudbranson currently has 43 in 309 games (about 0.14 ppg). It wasn't until Chara was dealt at around 25 years of age until he started blossoming into a 40 point dman. Chara had 22 points in 49 games in his final year of junior hockey whereas Gudbranson had 34 in 44 games. This shows that there is some offensive potential in Gudbranson's game and not unlike Chara's potential. Now I'm not saying he is the next Chara, but let's not so quickly write off the offensive potential in his game. The worst possible situation we have right now is he is a very solid top 4 defensive dman, but as most know that dmen usually reach their potential later into their career and there is still a lot to expect from him. I wish McCann the best of luck in Florida and hope that the 33rd pick isn't a gem, but I am very excited to see Gudbranson in a Canuck uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, J.R. said: Perhaps they're both right? IMHO? The Canucks straight stole Gudbranson from a GM that was itching to make his mark. We traded three quarters for a dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 In fact, I'm amazed we were able to get a 5th back in this deal. GMJB deserves kudos for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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