PhillipBlunt Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 11:01 PM, The Big Luongo said: This is exactly the case and I for one am sick and tired of all the whiner fans who are rarely happy and constantly complain that we seem to have now after struggling for a while now. Hopefully they start to suck it up or screw off and cheer for another team. Anyway back to this Gudbranson trade I'm a big fan of and think Benning really helped the team overall with. He truly did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 11 minutes ago, theminister said: In fact, I'm amazed we were able to get a 5th back in this deal. GMJB deserves kudos for that. I agree. But instead half the fanbase derides him for trading McCann and the two picks. Benning knows what he is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: I agree. But instead half the fanbase derides him for trading McCann and the two picks. Benning knows what he is doing. I actually revise my analogy... We traded two quarters and a dime for a dollar and somehow convinced them to give us a nickel because...you know ...we gave you three, you should give us two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstewboy Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I bet Florida started with asking for the 5th overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 8 hours ago, terrible.dee said: Just for the record the whole "Vancouver is soo beautiful and great propaganda isn't accepted by people who don't live here" This is not a "prime destination" it is over-priced, wet and the people here are not very nice, go live outside Canada for a for a few years and you'll see just what I mean. In case you haven't heard: Vancouver has been named the most "unhappy city" in Canda, our postal service is on an international black list for post offices, so they can see which mail services are not to be trusted, and the fact that the whole city has been given up without a fight to Chinese money launders who also collect welfare checks while moving their millions, is an international joke. The cost of living is totally out of sync with the standard residents earnings, oh, and our police and politicians do little more then collect fines and taxes, if they don't have to do it they don't, and they would NEVER do anything to represent the interests of people affected by the conditions I listed. This city needs a riot Welcome to Terminal city Gudbransson Where have you lived besides LA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 7 hours ago, theminister said: IMHO? The Canucks straight stole Gudbranson from a GM that was itching to make his mark. We traded three quarters for a dollar. I tend to agree. Despite what many posters seem to think, we got the most value in the trade. Gudbranson is that good/valuable. But I do think Florida got what they were looking for. Which was to dump cap for futures where they have Petrovic available to slide in as replacement. And I do think McCann is bound to be a hell of a player. A bit shocked they didn't shop around a bit more... Kudos to Benning for getting the return he did with a deal he clearly needed to pounce on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 10 hours ago, Respek said: Well I guess that shows the kind of person you are Well that's uncalled for and incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Don't pack your bags Gudbranson, you're probably going to Edmonton now for their 4th overall or Yakupov this years 2nd and next years 1st. (queue the board meltdown in 3...2...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 17 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Don't pack your bags Gudbranson, you're probably going to Edmonton now for their 4th overall or Yakupov this years 2nd and next years 1st. (queue the board meltdown in 3...2...) Apparently, they have no use for him anyways...their only in the market for a true #1 "However, he is not what the Oilers exactly need. What the team needs is a big, number-one defenseman who can not only strengthen the backend, but can jumpstart the offense." "The team would have a better chance at getting a true number one defenseman, like Sami Vatanen or even Kevin Shattenkirk. That is what Edmonton needs on the roster." https://oilonwhyte.com/2016/05/26/did-edmonton-oilers-lose-out-erik-gudbranson/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, drummerboy said: Well that's uncalled for and incorrect. True. But consider the source. Respek is a troll who provided nothing to the argument, but merely insinuated some baseless accusation against you. Turd....I mean, posters like them go away when no one takes their bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 hours ago, J.R. said: I tend to agree. Despite what many posters seem to think, we got the most value in the trade. Gudbranson is that good/valuable. But I do think Florida got what they were looking for. Which was to dump cap for futures where they have Petrovic available to slide in as replacement. And I do think McCann is bound to be a hell of a player. A bit shocked they didn't shop around a bit more... Kudos to Benning for getting the return he did with a deal he clearly needed to pounce on. Ditto. I'm viewing this as a "Hodgsonesque" type of trade. The one team (in this case, Florida) becoming focused on a small, targeted number of trade partners. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Hockey Place Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 This trade reminds me bit of Luke Schenn for VanRiemsdyk in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 9 minutes ago, Canada Hockey Place said: This trade reminds me bit of Luke Schenn for VanRiemsdyk in 2012. JVR had a few years played already and is a completely different player than McCann. Not even remotely similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Canada Hockey Place said: This trade reminds me bit of Luke Schenn for VanRiemsdyk in 2012. Weak and uninformed analogy on both sides. If you don't see the significant difference between Schenn and Gudbranson, wadr you don't know much about either player. To start with - and this point alone is very significant - Schenn can't skate. The idiotic talk of Gudbranson being a throwback player is oblivious to the fact he's a prototypical modern shutdown D - has both mobility and the ability to move the puck. Moreover, Schenn's development took place in Toronto, with poor coaching, poor complimentary partners, and well just a general Leafs developmental fail. If you applied the uninformed / troll commentary on this trade to the Flyers, you might have a better match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Canorth said: Apparently, they have no use for him anyways...their only in the market for a true #1 "However, he is not what the Oilers exactly need. What the team needs is a big, number-one defenseman who can not only strengthen the backend, but can jumpstart the offense." "The team would have a better chance at getting a true number one defenseman, like Sami Vatanen or even Kevin Shattenkirk. That is what Edmonton needs on the roster." https://oilonwhyte.com/2016/05/26/did-edmonton-oilers-lose-out-erik-gudbranson/ LOL. Wow. First, it's horrible logic. You don't forego adding something you need because it's not one of the 10 or so #1 D in the NHL. Second, neither Vatanen nor Shattenkirk are #1D - not even close. Vatanen was 6th on the Ducks blueline in 5 on 5 icetime. Shattenkirk was #3 in St Louis. Being a powerplay guy (and not a top pk) does not make you a #1. Tell yourselves you don't need Gudbranson all you want Edmonton. You've been an exceptionally easy team to play against for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Reportedly it was Florida that initiated with interest in McCann. Perhaps they were not interested in anyone else, but one would think due diligence in shopping around, at least the offer, would be the normal course of business. The way JB works the phones, the Panthers undoubtedly knew he had interest in Gudbranson from before. Certainly deserves credit for what sounds like a willingness to "gitterdunnow" and sealed the deal before anyone else jumped in. Sounds a bit familiar to when the Canucks got the package that included Momesso from St. Louis, to which another GM said "I didn't even know Sergio was available." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 11 hours ago, theminister said: I actually revise my analogy... We traded two quarters and a dime for a dollar and somehow convinced them to give us a nickel because...you know ...we gave you three, you should give us two. I like your analogy. It's a good one. Can I offer a revision? Perhaps we traded a loonie, a quarter (maybe a fiddy cent piece depending on what's there at 33), and a dime for a toonie and a nickel. We win. $2.05 to $1.35 (maybe $1.60). In the end we have a toonie regardless. If things turn out for Florida, they may wind up with a couple loonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 9 minutes ago, oldnews said: LOL. Wow. First, it's horrible logic. You don't forego adding something you need because it's not one of the 10 or so #1 D in the NHL. Second, neither Vatanen nor Shattenkirk are #1D - not even close. Vatanen was 6th on the Ducks blueline in 5 on 5 icetime. Shattenkirk was #3 in St Louis. Being a powerplay guy (and not a top pk) does not make you a #1. Tell yourselves you don't need Gudbranson all you want Edmonton. You've been an exceptionally easy team to play against for a long time. Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny, almost childish. Its the typical superficial, one dementional Oilers train of thought that will keep them competing for lottery picks in the forseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 23 minutes ago, oldnews said: LOL. Wow. First, it's horrible logic. You don't forego adding something you need because it's not one of the 10 or so #1 D in the NHL. Second, neither Vatanen nor Shattenkirk are #1D - not even close. Vatanen was 6th on the Ducks blueline in 5 on 5 icetime. Shattenkirk was #3 in St Louis. Being a powerplay guy (and not a top pk) does not make you a #1. Tell yourselves you don't need Gudbranson all you want Edmonton. You've been an exceptionally easy team to play against for a long time. Would oilers like a player like Gud? sure their d core could use any sort of help, but they have a big body minute guy in Nurse. They have the shutdown D in Klefbom, they have another big body D in Reinhart, they really need a PMD. Call it a #1, #2 or #4 but Since the Schultz signing didn't work out, the main need for the oilers is experienced PMD who can work on the PP. If he can be a RHD even better. I don't want to stick up for anything of the oilers but if they had the choice of Gudbranson and Shattenkirk/Vantanen, the two PMD make far more sense for their team needs. They will cost more, but they are much more suited to their team need on D. I think that article was just poorly written. But just like in TO the writers in the city of champions are quite used to spinning losses into what they'd call wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 8 minutes ago, Canorth said: Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny, almost childish. Its the typical superficial, one dementional Oilers train of thought that will keep them competing for lottery picks in the forseeable future. Apparently every and anyone is an 'analytics' guy now. But would one with some quality please stand up. "He is a minus-49 for his career and has an overall Corsi of 48.7 percent. Gudbranson’s possession metrics and offensive ability is not something that makes him a number-one defender for the Oilers. His zone starts are nothing to jump at either." His zone starts are nothing to jump at. Now that's an argument I haven't heard before. The internet. To his credit, his analysis isn't much simpler than his counterparts in Drance and Yost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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