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I would have rathered we wait to draft a center in the draft than replace McCann with a defenceman straight away.

 

It's obvious what assets we have right now (top-end wise) and what assets we need.

 

We have Virtanen (winger), McCann (center) who are both future top-6 scorers. We have Boeser as well who's proving to be the same. 

On defence we really lack some nice future top-4 guys apart from Hutton. Tryamkin, Subban and Brisebois are our defensive prospects and to be honest none of them may become full time top-4 defencemen.

 

With the 5th overall pick, we have a legitimate stab at Dubois (a good two way center who is more skilled than McCann), Tkachuk (arguably a better gritty winger who scores more clutch goals than Virtanen) or Chychrun/Sergachev/Juolevi (an instant improvement over any of our defensive prospects except for Hutton maybe).

 

I just think we should have waited to see who Edmonton draft before jumping into the assumption that Dubois will be on the table. We may well end up with having to take Tkachuk and end up with essentially a bunch of powerforwards and no true future center. I think if Dubois is off the table we need to make a big time trade for a future center.

 

We need that future 1st line center, whether it was going to be McCann, Dubois or someone else via a trade.

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32 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

I would have rathered we wait to draft a center in the draft than replace McCann with a defenceman straight away.

 

It's obvious what assets we have right now (top-end wise) and what assets we need.

 

We have Virtanen (winger), McCann (center) who are both future top-6 scorers. We have Boeser as well who's proving to be the same. 

On defence we really lack some nice future top-4 guys apart from Hutton. Tryamkin, Subban and Brisebois are our defensive prospects and to be honest none of them may become full time top-4 defencemen.

 

With the 5th overall pick, we have a legitimate stab at Dubois (a good two way center who is more skilled than McCann), Tkachuk (arguably a better gritty winger who scores more clutch goals than Virtanen) or Chychrun/Sergachev/Juolevi (an instant improvement over any of our defensive prospects except for Hutton maybe).

 

I just think we should have waited to see who Edmonton draft before jumping into the assumption that Dubois will be on the table. We may well end up with having to take Tkachuk and end up with essentially a bunch of powerforwards and no true future center. I think if Dubois is off the table we need to make a big time trade for a future center.

 

We need that future 1st line center, whether it was going to be McCann, Dubois or someone else via a trade.

That deal isnt there in a hour, let alone a month, if JB doesn't move on it immediately.  I highly doubt he gets a remotely comparable deal for the same package if he doest get Gudbranson.

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23 minutes ago, stawns said:

That deal isnt there in a hour, let alone a month, if JB doesn't move on it immediately.  I highly doubt he gets a remotely comparable deal for the same package if he doest get Gudbranson.

JB did a good job getting it done.  I'm sure the Oilers, Leafs, and lots of teams were wanting that deal too.  JB had McCann, who is on his ELC and that was the key.  The Oilers probably offered one of their (so called) big four, and Florida turned their nose up to those guys, because of money vs output.  The Leafs have guys in the minors they probably offered, which were cheap, but didn't have McCann's upside. I am still shocked (along with some really top hockey minds) that we gave up nothing - really - to get this minute muncher D-man.  It makes no sense! (Look what Gillis gave up to get Ballard! My God!) All Canuck's fans should be celebrating this move by JB.  Anyone who isn't, how can they really say they understand hockey - at an elite level?  

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55 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

I would have rathered we wait to draft a center in the draft than replace McCann with a defenceman straight away.

 

It's obvious what assets we have right now (top-end wise) and what assets we need.

 

We have Virtanen (winger), McCann (center) who are both future top-6 scorers. We have Boeser as well who's proving to be the same. 

On defence we really lack some nice future top-4 guys apart from Hutton. Tryamkin, Subban and Brisebois are our defensive prospects and to be honest none of them may become full time top-4 defencemen.

 

With the 5th overall pick, we have a legitimate stab at Dubois (a good two way center who is more skilled than McCann), Tkachuk (arguably a better gritty winger who scores more clutch goals than Virtanen) or Chychrun/Sergachev/Juolevi (an instant improvement over any of our defensive prospects except for Hutton maybe).

 

I just think we should have waited to see who Edmonton draft before jumping into the assumption that Dubois will be on the table. We may well end up with having to take Tkachuk and end up with essentially a bunch of powerforwards and no true future center. I think if Dubois is off the table we need to make a big time trade for a future center.

 

We need that future 1st line center, whether it was going to be McCann, Dubois or someone else via a trade.

We will see how things unfold. 

 

Lots of enticing possibilities, but we did not lose a  garuntied top six center in McCann, he is projected to be LW by the panthers.  

 

Vancouver will end up with Dubios or Tkachuk unless JB really likes a defender. They would push McCann down in the depth chart at either wing or center. There is still FA as well.  JB has a plan this off season and it won't be clear to most of us until after it's happened. 

 

We could go crazy and sign Stamkos to a 70mil/7yr deal and won't need an NHL ready center prospect for a few more years. If that's the plan, trading McCann now was a good move.  Plus, Horvat is a pretty good center prospect that doesn't get enough respect because he is so good defensively.  His numbers compare very well to O'Rielly and Johansen, two guys that would be considered heirs to Henrik if they were on our club today.  Horvat may be our top center replacement.

 

 Don't see us trading down unless we get a fantastic offer from Montreal or AZ.  That would have to wait on whether they can make a deal with Edmonton.  

 

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1 minute ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

We will see how things unfold. 

 

Lots of enticing possibilities, but we did not lose a  garuntied top six center in McCann, he is projected to be LW by the panthers.  

 

Vancouver will end up with Dubios or Tkachuk unless JB really likes a defender. They would push McCann down in the depth chart at either wing or center. There is still FA as well.  JB has a plan this off season and it won't be clear to most of us until after it's happened. 

 

We could go crazy and sign Stamkos to a 70mil/7yr deal and won't need an NHL ready center prospect for a few more years. If that's the plan, trading McCann now was a good move.  Plus, Horvat is a pretty good center prospect that doesn't get enough respect because he is so good defensively.  His numbers compare very well to O'Rielly and Johansen, two guys that would be considered heirs to Henrik if they were on our club today.  Horvat may be our top center replacement.

 

 Don't see us trading down unless we get a fantastic offer from Montreal or AZ.  That would have to wait on whether they can make a deal with Edmonton.  

 

Jost is the guy we should target for the Henrik replacement.  Hopefully, the draft shakes down with Tkatchuk falling to us at five, so we can swap picks with the Coyotes, and maybe (fingers crossed) get #20 as well.  Then we get Jost at 7, and another good prospect (D-Man?) at 20.  

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5 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

We will see how things unfold. 

 

Lots of enticing possibilities, but we did not lose a  garuntied top six center in McCann, he is projected to be LW by the panthers.  

 

Vancouver will end up with Dubios or Tkachuk unless JB really likes a defender. They would push McCann down in the depth chart at either wing or center. There is still FA as well.  JB has a plan this off season and it won't be clear to most of us until after it's happened. 

 

We could go crazy and sign Stamkos to a 70mil/7yr deal and won't need an NHL ready center prospect for a few more years. If that's the plan, trading McCann now was a good move.  Plus, Horvat is a pretty good center prospect that doesn't get enough respect because he is so good defensively.  His numbers compare very well to O'Rielly and Johansen, two guys that would be considered heirs to Henrik if they were on our club today.  Horvat may be our top center replacement.

 

 Don't see us trading down unless we get a fantastic offer from Montreal or AZ.  That would have to wait on whether they can make a deal with Edmonton.  

 

Stamkos will resign with Tampa. Bishop will be moved before the beginning of next season. 

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1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Stamkos will resign with Tampa. Bishop will be moved before the beginning of next season. 

Bishop to the Leafs or the Flames?  There is MAF too.  I wonder if the teams trading for those guys give up more then a comparable McCann level player?  Who would have thought McCann had that kind of value?

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5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Jost is the guy we should target for the Henrik replacement.  Hopefully, the draft shakes down with Tkatchuk falling to us at five, so we can swap picks with the Coyotes, and maybe (fingers crossed) get #20 as well.  Then we get Jost at 7, and another good prospect (D-Man?) at 20.  

Look at you sounding optimistic.

 

I like the idea of dangling 5 to Arizona if Tkachuk is still on the board. Force them to pay their 2 first rounders. Land both Jost and Fabbro, or Brown and McAvoy.

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5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Jost is the guy we should target for the Henrik replacement.  Hopefully, the draft shakes down with Tkatchuk falling to us at five, so we can swap picks with the Coyotes, and maybe (fingers crossed) get #20 as well.  Then we get Jost at 7, and another good prospect (D-Man?) at 20.  

Just reading Friedman's 30 thoughts, thinks there is a decent chance Tkachuk could go top 3.  Trading down only works with the right dance partner, and if Tkachuk is gone, then it would be less enticing for AZ to make the deal.  

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2 minutes ago, Ossi Vaananen said:

Look at you sounding optimistic.

 

I like the idea of dangling 5 to Arizona if Tkachuk is still on the board. Force them to pay their 2 first rounders. Land both Jost and Fabbro, or Brown and McAvoy.

It looks like JB has enough verteran depth now to draft guys that will take 2 to 3 years to develop.  So Jost and Fabbro might just be what he is planning to do?  Who is that really big and tough D man that's figured to go in the middle of round one.  I forgot his name, but he might be a JB guy too?

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Just now, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

Just reading Friedman's 30 thoughts, thinks there is a decent chance Tkachuk could go top 3.  Trading down only works with the right dance partner, and if Tkachuk is gone, then it would be less enticing for AZ to make the deal.  

Sorry not a chance

 

at #2 Laine/Matthews (unlikely Toronto takes Laine unless they ensure they've got Stamkos long term) is the big boy winger that the Jets have been looking for, skates well and has a size and shot like Ovi.

 

at # 3 you've the arguably 2nd best Finn, possibly the best depending on your needs, a large amazingly smooth skating playmaker on the wing....being drafted by a Finnish GM in kekalainen.

 

No chance Chevy or Kek go take Tkachuk

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3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

It looks like JB has enough verteran depth now to draft guys that will take 2 to 3 years to develop.  So Jost and Fabbro might just be what he is planning to do?  Who is that really big and tough D man that's figured to go in the middle of round one.  I forgot his name, but he might be a JB guy too?

Who knows.

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5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I don't think even JB knows until he makes the pick.  His phone could ring on the draft floor with a trade he can't refuse, which would change his plans for A to E.

I think he's done a huge amount of research regarding the picks and where he'll be picking. 

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10 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Then he has plans A to Z.

I'm happy with what Benning has done. Not all his moves have been perfect, but there has been a method and an outcome that hasn't really changed. 

 

I just don't get how some folks get so upset about it though. It's a sport. We're fans. That's it. 

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2 hours ago, Alflives said:

Jost is the guy we should target for the Henrik replacement.  Hopefully, the draft shakes down with Tkatchuk falling to us at five, so we can swap picks with the Coyotes, and maybe (fingers crossed) get #20 as well.  Then we get Jost at 7, and another good prospect (D-Man?) at 20.  

I would be blown away if Jost because a #1.   He had a couple good tourneys this year, but I jost don't see it happening. 

 

Also, the difference between pick 5 and 7 is not another first round pick.  Especially 20.   We would have to add something fairly decent.  

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2 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

We could go crazy and sign Stamkos to a 70mil/7yr deal and won't need an NHL ready center prospect for a few more years. If that's the plan, trading McCann now was a good move.  Plus, Horvat is a pretty good center prospect that doesn't get enough respect because he is so good defensively.  His numbers compare very well to O'Rielly and Johansen, two guys that would be considered heirs to Henrik if they were on our club today.  Horvat may be our top center replacement.

In my opinion, Horvat looks to me to have a ceiling of a solid, 2-way, 2nd line center.  Who knows though - he developed well last year and if he continues that pace I might be surprised. 

I do think that if there is any chance of getting Stamkos that we do so.  Getting an elite center would do wonders for our club.  It's just that it would be a hard sell since our cap would be a consideration if we did manage to sign him, so finding solid talent for him to play with in the short term while Boeser, Baertschi, and Virtanen are working through the system could be a challenge.  With a better chance of winning the cup with Tampa in the short term, I see no reason why he'd leave to come here.

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11 minutes ago, drummerboy said:

I would be blown away if Jost because a #1.   He had a couple good tourneys this year, but I jost don't see it happening. 

 

Also, the difference between pick 5 and 7 is not another first round pick.  Especially 20.   We would have to add something fairly decent.  

If Tkatchuk is there at 5, this could be one of those rare occasions where he is worth the 7 and 20 to Arizona.

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2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Sorry not a chance

 

at #2 Laine/Matthews (unlikely Toronto takes Laine unless they ensure they've got Stamkos long term) is the big boy winger that the Jets have been looking for, skates well and has a size and shot like Ovi.

 

at # 3 you've the arguably 2nd best Finn, possibly the best depending on your needs, a large amazingly smooth skating playmaker on the wing....being drafted by a Finnish GM in kekalainen.

 

No chance Chevy or Kek go take Tkachuk

This. I'd be very surprised if they don't go 1-2-3 as predicted.

 

2 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

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We could go crazy and sign Stamkos to a 70mil/7yr deal and won't need an NHL ready center prospect for a few more years. If that's the plan, trading McCann now was a good move.  Plus, Horvat is a pretty good center prospect that doesn't get enough respect because he is so good defensively.  His numbers compare very well to O'Rielly and Johansen, two guys that would be considered heirs to Henrik if they were on our club today.  Horvat may be our top center replacement.

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Johansen, sure, but O'Rielly is not a Henrik-worthy heir. Horvat could be on the top line but there's a lot of room to improve in that area if he's not with two very offensive wingers.

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