gerry35 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 6 hours ago, Goal:thecup said: Took me over a week (from May 25th) to read all of this thread, but I finally caught up, and can honestly say that I have read everybody's posts prior to this reply. Much as I wanted to keep and develop Jared McCann, I still absolutely love this trade. I cannot believe we have Erik Gudbranson. I have coveted him since his draft day. I wanted him in every trade with Florida. The exact piece we need on our eventual Cup-Winning Roster (CWR). And we now know for sure that JB is building a big, tough-to-play-against team. And we are getting younger and faster. Sure there are still holes in the CWR, it is a work-in-process. But there is no longer a hole at 2nd RHD, and Erik doesn't just fill the hole either, he is much more than that. 300 games in and just turned 24, hits like a truck, backs it, and his mates, up with his fists, and hardly takes any penalties? Are you kidding me? We turned a corner when Tryamkin showed he can make the roster. But we just blew down the highway getting Gudbranson! Also, much as I liked Mike Gillis, isn't it nice to see GMs phoning our GM up and offering deals? Unfortunately for Gillis, he did not seem to develop good working relationships around the league. JB is more like one of the boys, an honest trader, and 'one who knows what a Stanley Cup Winning Team looks like'. - (paraphrased from a quote attributed to Benning in the New Analytics vs Traditional Scouting discussion). Imo, and contrary to many on here, I do not think we need to replace McCann, or the 2nd round pick. What we did need was to acquire a player like EG, that is to say, a solid, 2RHD, young, fast, big, and developed, and there are not many (any?) out there. He does a lot more than fill that roster spot and he is going to help build respect for the Vancouver Canucks. Not only does he fill the bill, but he will help fill the building. I know a lot more of us are looking forward to watching him and the newly-firmer Canucks. We probably won't win it all this year, but we have taken massive steps forward, and JB & Co. are not finished yet. I think we will get one more high draft pick from this season's results, and remember, these high picks become high picks in every round. JB keeps filling the prospect pipeline, and the 21-26 year-old pipeline, and when a deal like this is offered, he has the assets to close the deal. When the acquisition fits the Cup-Winning Roster plan, he makes the hard decision and lets go of players like McCann and draft picks. Much as JB values draft picks and as much as JB makes the most out of every pick, he also knows that players that are ready to fill holes in the roster are more valuable than picks. Given there is always an element of uncertainty with draft picks, understandably less so of course with sure-fire picks like Ekblad or McDavid, but other than generational-type talents, and especially after the first say 10 picks, there is considerable uncertainty that any particular pick will work out "real good". 33rd overall is worth less than almost any roster player. That is also why it worked to trade for Vey, Baertschi, and (who else was it?) Etem(?), giving up 2nds for players needed on our current roster. These three helped fill in the 21-26 year-old pipeline and are available for trade if final CWR players become available. JB so far, has exercised his 1st round picks, but been willing to move later picks to get deals done. I'm not going to project what he will do this year, maybe drafting Tkachuk or Dubois, if he thinks they might fit the eventual roster, trading down, or who knows? But I didn't think we would see Reinhart traded to Edmonton, and I didn't think Boston was ever going to trade Hamilton. So I sure as shootin' didn't see us getting Eric Gudbranson. I don't know what Jim Benning is going to do next, but I love what he's done so far. This season is going to be another fun season to see it start to come together. I am looking forward to a much more physical team. Virtanen a year older, Pedan holding the 13th forward / 7th defenseman spot, Tryamkin at 2LD / 3LD, Gudbranson 2RD. Settle a few scores, gain a bit of respect in the west, and make our home ice a place NHL players no longer enjoy visiting. Yes please. And more please, Mr. Benning; keep up the real good work. Thumbs up for a great post and also reading through 128 pages. There was some good stuff but a lot of drivel too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 6 hours ago, Goal:thecup said: Took me over a week (from May 25th) to read all of this thread, but I finally caught up, and can honestly say that I have read everybody's posts prior to this reply. Much as I wanted to keep and develop Jared McCann, I still absolutely love this trade. I cannot believe we have Erik Gudbranson. I have coveted him since his draft day. I wanted him in every trade with Florida. The exact piece we need on our eventual Cup-Winning Roster (CWR). And we now know for sure that JB is building a big, tough-to-play-against team. And we are getting younger and faster. Sure there are still holes in the CWR, it is a work-in-process. But there is no longer a hole at 2nd RHD, and Erik doesn't just fill the hole either, he is much more than that. 300 games in and just turned 24, hits like a truck, backs it, and his mates, up with his fists, and hardly takes any penalties? Are you kidding me? We turned a corner when Tryamkin showed he can make the roster. But we just blew down the highway getting Gudbranson! Also, much as I liked Mike Gillis, isn't it nice to see GMs phoning our GM up and offering deals? Unfortunately for Gillis, he did not seem to develop good working relationships around the league. JB is more like one of the boys, an honest trader, and 'one who knows what a Stanley Cup Winning Team looks like'. - (paraphrased from a quote attributed to Benning in the New Analytics vs Traditional Scouting discussion). Imo, and contrary to many on here, I do not think we need to replace McCann, or the 2nd round pick. What we did need was to acquire a player like EG, that is to say, a solid, 2RHD, young, fast, big, and developed, and there are not many (any?) out there. He does a lot more than fill that roster spot and he is going to help build respect for the Vancouver Canucks. Not only does he fill the bill, but he will help fill the building. I know a lot more of us are looking forward to watching him and the newly-firmer Canucks. We probably won't win it all this year, but we have taken massive steps forward, and JB & Co. are not finished yet. I think we will get one more high draft pick from this season's results, and remember, these high picks become high picks in every round. JB keeps filling the prospect pipeline, and the 21-26 year-old pipeline, and when a deal like this is offered, he has the assets to close the deal. When the acquisition fits the Cup-Winning Roster plan, he makes the hard decision and lets go of players like McCann and draft picks. Much as JB values draft picks and as much as JB makes the most out of every pick, he also knows that players that are ready to fill holes in the roster are more valuable than picks. Given there is always an element of uncertainty with draft picks, understandably less so of course with sure-fire picks like Ekblad or McDavid, but other than generational-type talents, and especially after the first say 10 picks, there is considerable uncertainty that any particular pick will work out "real good". 33rd overall is worth less than almost any roster player. That is also why it worked to trade for Vey, Baertschi, and (who else was it?) Etem(?), giving up 2nds for players needed on our current roster. These three helped fill in the 21-26 year-old pipeline and are available for trade if final CWR players become available. JB so far, has exercised his 1st round picks, but been willing to move later picks to get deals done. I'm not going to project what he will do this year, maybe drafting Tkachuk or Dubois, if he thinks they might fit the eventual roster, trading down, or who knows? But I didn't think we would see Reinhart traded to Edmonton, and I didn't think Boston was ever going to trade Hamilton. So I sure as shootin' didn't see us getting Eric Gudbranson. I don't know what Jim Benning is going to do next, but I love what he's done so far. This season is going to be another fun season to see it start to come together. I am looking forward to a much more physical team. Virtanen a year older, Pedan holding the 13th forward / 7th defenseman spot, Tryamkin at 2LD / 3LD, Gudbranson 2RD. Settle a few scores, gain a bit of respect in the west, and make our home ice a place NHL players no longer enjoy visiting. Yes please. And more please, Mr. Benning; keep up the real good work. Great post, goal. I agree wholeheartedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted June 3, 2016 Author Share Posted June 3, 2016 "Living in Vancouver and playing for this franchise, pure excitement comes from it" - Gudbranson on TSN 1040 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted June 3, 2016 Author Share Posted June 3, 2016 "I'm there to make the game as miserable as possible for top players on the other team" - Gudbranson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Weasel Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, Roger Neilson's Towel said: I love that pic of him. I remember watching that fight live. I was damn impressed. He is a scary dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 "I don't like when guys take liberties on my team-mates....I don't particularly enjoy getting punched in the face if that's what you're asking me....but it's part of the business - you know that'll never slow me down from doing it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 "I have a really good/hard shot - and I'm good at keeping my head up." "That's a part of my game that I'm going to be working on big time." "My job was to take care of our own end - take care of those [hard] minutes.....I'd like to create offensively- everybody scoring goals. I'm there to be on the right side of the puck....[good first pass / get the puck to the forwards]. Well-spoken guy that clearly understands the larger deployment/management issues. "I work hard to get pucks back." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 "It was kind of difficult at the start of my career to find out what my identity was, what was going to make me successful at this level." Coaching changes, tough seasons - Mitchell was big in helping turn defending into a craft. A pretty clear endorsement of retaining veteran support and leadership in franchise - and without it - how difficult it can be for young players. It's not a 'development' league - you need that foundation of veterans, beyond just coaching presences, to help your young players progress - which is why the Canuck's approach is the right one, and wholesale tear-downs and asset fire-sales are not the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 12 minutes ago, oldnews said: "I have a really good/hard shot - and I'm good at keeping my head up." "That's a part of my game that I'm going to be working on big time." "My job was to take care of our own end - take care of those [hard] minutes.....I'd like to create offensively- everybody scoring goals. I'm there to be on the right side of the puck....[good first pass / get the puck to the forwards]. Well-spoken guy that clearly understands the larger deployment/management issues. "I work hard to get pucks back." Careful Oldnews. I know it's a quote, but "getting punched in the face" is very close to "face puncher", which some here find offensive. Maybe that's why some on CDC don't like the trade - Gudbrandson is a face...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: Careful Oldnews. I know it's a quote, but "getting punched in the face" is very close to "face puncher", which some here find offensive. Maybe that's why some on CDC don't like the trade - Gudbrandson is a face...? Be careful with your cautions (and the plastic eggshells) when you're taking crap out of context - and try actually listening to the interview - the question - and the response. People who reduce this player to a "face...." are way off base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 AAAahhhh is it October yet?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 1 minute ago, oldnews said: Be careful with your cautions when you're taking crap out of context - and try actually listening to the interview - the question - and the response. So you don't like the term "face puncher" as applied to Gudbranson? It sure sounds to me like he does not enjoy exchanging face punches, but accepts it as something he must do. I was not criticizing you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, J.R. said: AAAahhhh is it October yet?!?!?! Does that World Cup thing count as hockey? Whe does it start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darinbadershouldamadeit Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 1 hour ago, oldnews said: "I don't like when guys take liberties on my team-mates....I don't particularly enjoy getting punched in the face if that's what you're asking me....but it's part of the business - you know that'll never slow me down from doing it." What a kid! This guy is the real deal! He sounds much more mature than his age, MUCH more. He sounds like a 35 year vet with a 25 year old body. WOW. Articulate, knows and plays his role proudly, sounds smart, sticks up for his teammates, was proud that he was the guy to "take care of (his) own end" and let the other guys work the offense. This was a good good move. sounds like he plays the game "Real Gud." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Is it "Guds" or "Guddsy" or can we call him something less soft, like "Gunner" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 On June 2, 2016 at 0:33 PM, DeNiro said: I guess TSN didn't feel like they criticized this trade enough yet so they post another article by Yost about Gudbranson. This time it's about how defensemen aren't a product of their environment and a change of scenery won't make a difference. He even uses a bunch more analytics to "prove" this theory. I like this line: Could this guy try any harder to try and discredit Gudbranson? I'm gonna laugh so hard if he does reach a new level here and this guy looks like a tool. Meanwhile we get articles about how Marner and Matthews are guaranteed to be a dynamic duo in Toronto based on absolutely nothing. Keep up the quality work TSN. The guy doesn't need anyone's help to look like a tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 36 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Is it "Guds" or "Guddsy" or can we call him something less soft, like "Gunner" ? I'v never been ok with Gunner as a hockey name. He was the bad guy in mighty ducks, that's enough reason for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Hahahaha! So fitting Gudbrandson quote on the trade "it is what it is" hmmm where have I heard that before? **Cough McCann Draft Cough** http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-1040-i-1410/gudbranson-i-m-there-to-make-the-game-as-miserable-as-possible-for-top-players-1.501053 around 1:25min in to interview. Sorry if this has been posted before I just heard this for the first time so I might be late to the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 On 6/2/2016 at 0:33 PM, DeNiro said: I guess TSN didn't feel like they criticized this trade enough yet so they post another article by Yost about Gudbranson. This time it's about how defensemen aren't a product of their environment and a change of scenery won't make a difference. He even uses a bunch more analytics to "prove" this theory. I like this line: Could this guy try any harder to try and discredit Gudbranson? I'm gonna laugh so hard if he does reach a new level here and this guy looks like a tool. Meanwhile we get articles about how Marner and Matthews are guaranteed to be a dynamic duo in Toronto based on absolutely nothing. Keep up the quality work TSN. The guy is the ultimate pretender clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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