DeNiro Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, oldnews said: In former years this would have been a high price to pay. As Gillis used to say it's a changing landscape. The price to acquire top 4 d-man has gone way up. My opinion has since changed on this trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: In former years this would have been a high price to pay. As Gillis used to say it's a changing landscape. The price to acquire top 4 d-man has gone way up. My opinion has since changed on this trade. What's your opinion on immediately judging trades and throwing shade on the GM while you are at it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 7 minutes ago, oldnews said: Well to be fair we still need to see what Gudbransson can do as a Canuck. Let's not forget the disaster that was Brandon Prust, he was supposed to bring leadership, character, and physicality to the team. And look what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Just now, butters said: What's your opinion on immediately judging trades and throwing shade on the GM while you are at it? Because nobody does that on here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 With Montreal and Deadmonton's GM's both having strokes, Benning suddenly looks that much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 9 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Because nobody does that on here... and that makes it jusitifiable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Just now, butters said: and that makes it jusitifiable? Give me break. If you read the majority of posts in this thread I've supported this trade and complimented Benning many times. You're just being petty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtor Rod Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 40 minutes ago, Davathor said: Panthers jumped on the analytics bandwagon with the rest of the yokels What are McCanns analytics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Well deserved bump on this thread. I'm excited to see this guy play and satisfied we paid less than the going rate for a decent defenceman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Realtor Rod said: What are McCanns analytics? Nothing special, but he was a rookie. http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=29&f1=2015_s&f2=5v5&f5=VAN&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67# 19th best relative corsi 21st strongest quality of competition 53.5% offensive zone starts, 49.3% finishes. 34.7% in the faceoff circle. 12.5 minutes/game, 18 pts in 69 games. The thing is - he's 20 years old, and rookie "analytics" don't mean much. McCann played in a junior program (SSM) that produced a relatively large amount of statistics (compared to other CHL franchises) and McCann fared very well at the OHL level - particularly adept with zone entries, solid two way possession numbers and produced very well in his +1 season. But there's really not much point or credibility in attempting to apply underlying numbers to a 19/20 year old. It doesn't really translate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 18 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Give me break. If you read the majority of posts in this thread I've supported this trade and complimented Benning many times. You're just being petty. I absolutely am, its my nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtor Rod Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 20 minutes ago, oldnews said: Nothing special, but he was a rookie. http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=29&f1=2015_s&f2=5v5&f5=VAN&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67# 19th best relative corsi 21st strongest quality of competition 53.5% offensive zone starts, 49.3% finishes. 34.7% in the faceoff circle. 12.5 minutes/game, 18 pts in 69 games. The thing is - he's 20 years old, and rookie "analytics" don't mean much. McCann played in a junior program (SSM) that produced a relatively large amount of statistics (compared to other CHL franchises) and McCann fared very well at the OHL level - particularly adept with zone entries, solid two way possession numbers and produced very well in his +1 season. But there's really not much point or credibility in attempting to apply underlying numbers to a 19/20 year old. It doesn't really translate. How old is Goody and when do defenders start to develop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Realtor Rod said: How old is Goody and when do defenders start to develop? He's 24 - and I don't know - they're always developing. Gudbranson is a 20+ hard minutes D at a young age. He's just scratching the surface imo, but he's already good enough to make a huge impact/difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, Realtor Rod said: How old is Goody and when do defenders start to develop? It's one in my opinion that is directly related to size and strength, it seems like the bigger ones (6'03" &^) become more agile around 25-30yrs.. The smaller ones -6'03" seem hit that agility around 22years. BBurns and ZChara both started to blossom at around 25-26. Scott Neidermayer (6'0) started to prime around 21. just my 2bits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgillnuck Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 hour ago, McHortanen said: Ask yourselves, who would you rather? Gudbranson or Larsson? (Gudbranson IMO) Again who would you rather? Hall or McCann? (Hall by a mile) Benning fleeced the Panthers. I swear something is wrong with their GM, some of the players they are trading were a huge part of their success last year. Larsson>Gudbranson Hall>>>McCann I like our deal more than the EDM deal just based on what they had to give up, but I still don't like either of them. Puck possession and puck movement are so important in today's NHL, and everything I've seen/read/studied on Gudbranson demonstrate that those are his weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insomniac604 Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 7 minutes ago, mcgillnuck said: Larsson>Gudbranson Hall>>>McCann I like our deal more than the EDM deal just based on what they had to give up, but I still don't like either of them. Puck possession and puck movement are so important in today's NHL, and everything I've seen/read/studied on Gudbranson demonstrate that those are his weaknesses. First off, (and not towards you), I am honestly surprised this is still an active thread. Second off (or secondly?), your concerns about Gudbranson are legit. But you have to compare who we got to who we gave up. McCann was undersized, terrible at draws and faltered at the end of the season. Andrey Pedan said he was the only Canucks member he didn't get along with. During the Mother's trip, a Mother said she got along with everyone except "that one little 19yo who I like to tease." Virtanen was the only other 19yo and nobody can call him "little". On Hockey Wives we saw Virtanen's great relationship with rookie-punisher Prust. McCann was not good in the room. Not good on the ice. Lots of potential, sure. But you are who you present yourself as. We had enough faith to give him a shot and he wound up souring people. Gudbranson was absolutely beloved in FLA. His Corsi is questionable. But he was thrown into the worst situations in FLA, and they have only been good for about a year. He's still young with a new system to learn. There is lots of promise there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 On 5/25/2016 at 6:04 PM, Nail said: JB back it at it again with the $&!# trades! Doesnt sound so bad now haha first impression maybe yea but after that oiler trade damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 11 hours ago, Qwags said: With Montreal and Deadmonton's GM's both having strokes, Benning suddenly looks that much better. This cant be understated. Benning took flack from the whole league for this trade. He turned out to make one of the best trades in the last couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davathor Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 14 hours ago, Realtor Rod said: What are McCanns analytics? Don't know, don't care. Analytics is for vegan hipsters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 To be honest this trade looks like a steal when you compare it to the hall trade. McCann was no hall and never will be and you could argue that gudbranson is a better dman thn larsson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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