MadSkillz Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: I hope you are right. Nothing (Canucks related) would make me happier. My expectations for him is well in reach with his skill level and he has shown it and I really hope he will exceed my expectations then we really got the franchise 1C everyone looking for and 29 other GM wished they had Very excited about gudbranson hoping he's a better version of Robyn Regehr with better speed and mobility we are gonna love this trade... People thinking we should trade Hutton right now is a bad idea he's just getting started give him a 1-2 years to really show if he can bring an aggressive edge to his game playing with gudbranson he's gonna do things he's never done and gudbranson will learn to from Hutton as well...upping his physicality will really bring his value because we all can see he's offensively gifted a better version of erhoff cause that dude was a chicken #^£% and would only fight his own battles yet then his teammates were doing for him but he would never do the same for them that's the kind of players I don't ever want to see on this team ever again it was disgraceful to watch no matter how much pts he put up in the reg season he was very very soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, MadSkillz said: My expectations for him is well in reach with his skill level and he has shown it and I really hope he will exceed my expectations then we really got the franchise 1C everyone looking for and 29 other GM wished they had Very excited about gudbranson hoping he's a better version of Robyn Regehr with better speed and mobility we are gonna love this trade... People thinking we should trade Hutton right now is a bad idea he's just getting started give him a 1-2 years to really show if he can bring an aggressive edge to his game playing with gudbranson he's gonna do things he's never done and gudbranson will learn to from Hutton as well...upping his physicality will really bring his value because we all can see he's offensively gifted a better version of erhoff cause that dude was a chicken #^£% and would only fight his own battles yet then his teammates were doing for him but he would never do the same for them that's the kind of players I don't ever want to see on this team ever again it was disgraceful to watch no matter how much pts he put up in the reg season he was very very soft. Regehr is a great comparison to Gudbranson. That's the player we are looking at, all that plus more size. No way we trade Hutton, nor should we. I don't see JB moving a young player with a tonne of potential like Hutton unless it's part of package for a top end offensive talent. A player like Hutton is not what you trade if you are the current day Canucks. We are building goalie out. It's a good plan, you don't make that trade unless its a clear and outright win. On Horvat he's not a clear cut 1C. Even if he is we need an offensively gifted 1C. Think the Caps. You have Backstrom who is a clear cut two way 1C and you have Kuz right behind him. We need a top end 1C who can be that 1 guy or compliment offense to Horvat's two way game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadSkillz Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 23 minutes ago, NHL97OneTimer said: Not sure he'll have the top end scoring for a 1C. He'll be everything to the team for sure, but I think his scoring will be "real good" but not great like the Sedins. Would love to be wrong though. I believe he still has some untapped potential playmaking skills he showed in Jr and alittle bit his first 2 years in the nhl and that one timer of his is an absolute beauty that needs to be used more on the pp I would love to see a pp unit like this Sedin sedin Eriksson Elder horvat good defensively can rush the puck up ice has a good shot and playmaking ability from the backend since elder can't hit the net with one timers let horvat have a shot at it we might be amaze how this could change the dynamic of our pp getting pucks around net area with Eriksson that guys a beast in front always in good position for tip in tap in.. JB TL I hope you guys see this and tell willy to try this lineup out. 2nd pp Baer sutter Virt Larson Hutton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 38 minutes ago, MadSkillz said: Very excited about gudbranson hoping he's a better version of Robyn Regehr with better speed and mobility we are gonna love this trade... People that watched Regehr in his Calgary days would understand the value of a player like this - people that corsi-gaze (and ironically don't understand underlying numbers) or look at production / shot differential alone condemn themselves to ridiculous oversimplifications and idiotic assumptions that these players are throwbacks that don't belong in the 'modern' game. Regehr was a gd nightmare to play against - an absolute cornerstone of that team and a large reason they made a run to the SCF in 2004. Anyone that doesn't want that type of guy on their blueline - in their prime - is oblivious. Gudbranson is the modern version of that shutdown D - he's a far better skater (I have to laugh at some of the suggestions made earlier in this thread that the blueline will be too big and slow for the modern game with the likes of Gudbranson, Sbisa, Tryamkin). Idiocy spoken by people who've never seen a player like Gudbranson skate (or Sbisa for that matter). Gudbranson is likewise, a nightmare to play against - who skates far better and has more upside than Robyn Regehr. I'd take either of them in their prime any and every day. Not only that - but the ways he'll enable a player like Hutton cannot and should not be underplayed. We saw what Hutton is capable of last year - and that was with Yannick fn Weber as his most common partner - behind a depleted forward group without the likes of Sutter, etc. Hutton anchored by Gudbranson.... I'm looking forward to that. An ironic and huge failure on the part of "analytics" people - to understand the numbers they're actually purporting to interpret. If you go back to Regehr's days in Calgary and used the type of simpleton 'analytics' that a lot of 'modern' pundits prop up, you'd conclude that Regehr was the worst defenseman on the Flames...(as some fools have suggested regarding Gudbranson in Florida). http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=29&f1=2007_s&f2=5v5&f4=D&f5=CGY&f7=5-&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67 http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=29&f1=2008_s&f2=5v5&f4=D&f5=CGY&f7=5-&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67 The worst corsizzz must mean the worst player! Utterly simplistic. No one with any concept of or connection to those Calgary Flames would be so daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 33 minutes ago, oldnews said: People that watched Regehr in his Calgary days would understand the value of a player like this - people that corsi-gaze (and ironically don't understand underlying numbers) or look at production / shot differential alone condemn themselves to ridiculous oversimplifications and idiotic assumptions that these players are throwbacks that don't belong in the 'modern' game. Regehr was a gd nightmare to play against - an absolute cornerstone of that team and a large reason they made a run to the SCF in 2004. Anyone that doesn't want that type of guy on their blueline - in their prime - is oblivious. Gudbranson is the modern version of that shutdown D - he's a far better skater (I have to laugh at some of the suggestions made earlier in this thread that the blueline will be too big and slow for the modern game with the likes of Gudbranson, Sbisa, Tryamkin). Idiocy spoken by people who've never seen a player like Gudbranson skate (or Sbisa for that matter). Gudbranson is likewise, a nightmare to play against - who skates far better and has more upside than Robyn Regehr. I'd take either of them in their prime any and every day. Not only that - but the ways he'll enable a player like Hutton cannot and should not be underplayed. We saw what Hutton is capable of last year - and that was with Yannick fn Weber as his most common partner - behind a depleted forward group without the likes of Sutter, etc. Hutton anchored by Gudbranson.... I'm looking forward to that. An ironic and huge failure on the part of "analytics" people - to understand the numbers they're actually purporting to interpret. If you go back to Regehr's days in Calgary and used the type of simpleton 'analytics' that a lot of 'modern' pundits prop up, you'd conclude that Regehr was the worst defenseman on the Flames...(as some fools have suggested regarding Gudbranson in Florida). http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=29&f1=2007_s&f2=5v5&f4=D&f5=CGY&f7=5-&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67 http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&s=29&f1=2008_s&f2=5v5&f4=D&f5=CGY&f7=5-&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67 The worst corsizzz must mean the worst player! Utterly simplistic. No one with any concept of or connection to those Calgary Flames would be so daft. And LA picked him (regehr) up for depth for there arguably peak years, winning a cup in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 15 minutes ago, riffraff said: And LA picked him (regehr) up for depth for there arguably peak years, winning a cup in 2014. Yeah, but you can't win with these big, slow guys in the 'modern' NHL.....Regehr, Mitchell, Greene...throwbacks..... ....and everyone knowz the Kingzz were never a very good puck possession team. Lombardi jus dudn't underdand de anlidics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrek Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 3 hours ago, Hortankin said: No I'm not saying that. If there is no Tryamkin than I take Hutton 120% of the time. But Tryamkin has the size, physicality, and defensive capabilities to allow Subban to do what he does best and be that very good high energetic offensive Dman. Juolevi is what will make Hutton expendable IMO. On the left side we have Juolevi, Tryamkin, and Hutton. Will Hutton like being paid as a good bottom pairing Dman while also getting those minutes? He could line up with Tryamkin on the 2nd pairing but I would rather have him playing the left side over the right. Sheesh. God forbid my opinion isn't the popular opinion on these boards. You must be one of them people that don't believe in Subban. Can I have what your smoking? Must be good... I believe in all Canucks prospects. I also believe in reality and logic. Hutton is far more valuable than Subban to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 4 minutes ago, Mattrek said: I believe in all Canucks prospects. I also believe in reality and logic. Hutton is far more valuable than Subban to us. I believe in Subban more than your average fan, bu Hutton >>> Jordy Subban. Hutton will lead our blueline in points next year. He's the best thing we have going outside of Juolevi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 I'm surprised no one posted this, but here's the return from the trade side by side. At PROSPECTS camp: Owch. That has to sting a bit, going to prospects camp after making an NHL club the prior season. Notice Virtanen wasn't required to attend Canucks camp. With Bjugstad, Barkov, Trocheck, and Bolland down the middle does McCann spend the season in the AHL? Oh and the Reddit AMA from today: https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/4shsc2/jared_mccanns_here_ask_him_anything/ Most of the questions Canucks related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 13 minutes ago, Mattrek said: I believe in all Canucks prospects. I also believe in reality and logic. Hutton is far more valuable than Subban to us. Part of reality would also be the fact that Subban just turned 21 years old. Of course Hutton is more valuable - he's an NHL asset that has a year of proving himself under his belt. But another part of the reality is that Hutton is a few years older - so if we want to make them comparables of each other, look at Hutton at age 20/21 - and Hutton's college career doesn't really stand out relative to what Subban just did as a rookie in the AHL. There's no clear edge either way imo. A few years ago some of us liked Hutton as a prospect - but virtually no one expected him to step in and be the rookie boss he was last year. If you listened to the vast majority of people on these boards - it was virtual consensus that there was next to nothing in the Canucks defensive prospect pool. Not exaggerating - there were very few people looking at players like Hutton as having serious top 4 potential. The projections of the Canucks defensive prospect pool was a chorus of chicken-littles. Until Benning took Juolevi, there was still a somewhat parallel perception - that aside from the graduates, there's nothing left in the under class. But who is to say there isn't another Hutton/Tryamkin amongst Subban, Neill, Olson, Brisebois, etc? There's no reason Subban can't follow a similar trajectory to Hutton - he's been highly productive and his hockey intelligence and poise have been really evident. But don't get me wrong - I also wouldn't be dealing Hutton to be making room for him. The blueline has undergone quite a remarkable transformation though imo - in a few short years..... Hutton has emerged, Subban is developing, and in the meantime Bennng brought in Sbisa, Pedan, Gudbranson, Larsen, Stecher and drafted Juolevi, Tryamkin.....Brisebois, Neill, Olson.... But, but he doesn't know how to rebuild 'properly'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 34 minutes ago, Ossi Vaananen said: I'm surprised no one posted this, but here's the return from the trade side by side. At PROSPECTS camp: Mascherin isn't really part of the return in that deal. Florida dealt the 33rd pick to Buffalo. Mascherin was taken with their 38th overall. Kulikov and the 33rd to Buffalo for Pysyk, the 38th and the 89th. Rasmus Asplund is who was taken with the 33rd - by Buffalo. For Gudbranson, Kulikov and a 5th (Cole Candella) Florida wound up with McCann, Pysyk, Mascherin, and Linus Nassen (89th). I like the Mascherin pick though. But I'm still curious what Florida will do without Gudbranson, Mitchell, Kulikov - the three guys that handled their hardest minutes last year. They added another soft minutes guy in Pysyk and a sheltered veteran in Yandle. At least they brought in Demers. Looks like Demers and Petrovic may have their hands full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 http://www.tsn.ca/panthers-take-advantage-of-canucks-in-lopsided-trade-1.496247 An entertaining read and a taste of 'modern genius' from Travis Yost. "Truthfully, it’s difficult to see what Vancouver sees in this deal. If the prize is Gudbranson, well, the prize is something like a third-pairing defender. And the premium they paid – a legitimate prospect and multiple picks – is, in a word, inexplicable. Call it like it is: Florida took advantage of a team who egregiously misvalued a defenceman to once again win a trade in striking fashion." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 26 minutes ago, oldnews said: http://www.tsn.ca/panthers-take-advantage-of-canucks-in-lopsided-trade-1.496247 An entertaining read and a taste of 'modern genius' from Travis Yost. "Truthfully, it’s difficult to see what Vancouver sees in this deal. If the prize is Gudbranson, well, the prize is something like a third-pairing defender. And the premium they paid – a legitimate prospect and multiple picks – is, in a word, inexplicable. Call it like it is: Florida took advantage of a team who egregiously misvalued a defenceman to once again win a trade in striking fashion." I wanna punch that clown in the face. Can't wait for the season to start and watch Guddy to shine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 28 minutes ago, oldnews said: http://www.tsn.ca/panthers-take-advantage-of-canucks-in-lopsided-trade-1.496247 An entertaining read and a taste of 'modern genius' from Travis Yost. "Truthfully, it’s difficult to see what Vancouver sees in this deal. If the prize is Gudbranson, well, the prize is something like a third-pairing defender. And the premium they paid – a legitimate prospect and multiple picks – is, in a word, inexplicable. Call it like it is: Florida took advantage of a team who egregiously misvalued a defenceman to once again win a trade in striking fashion." This is how unknown bloggers gain traffic to their articles nowadays I guess. Post something with limited research that you know is going to offend a large fanbase, then sit back and get views. Sad that sports writing has sunk so low. But i guess anyone with a laptop can claim to be an analyst now. It resembles tabloid journalism more than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam126 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 On 2016-06-16 at 1:19 PM, iinatcc said: Not sure if this was posted here. Sorry if it already did but looks like according to NHL 16 Vancouver lost the trade Hey, is that the same game in GM mode when VICTOR HEDMAN scored 20 points in the regular season? Seriously, the guy in the video is a meathead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 22 minutes ago, Jam126 said: Hey, is that the same game in GM mode when VICTOR HEDMAN scored 20 points in the regular season? Seriously, the guy in the video is a meathead. Considering in NHL 16 after 5 seasons Gudbranson is an 84 overall and McCann is a 89 that makes it even scarier That said I hope NHL 16 is wrong it's not like they are the most accurate game I mean in NHL 16 GM Mode John Tavares is an 99 overall and there was one NHL game where Justin Schutlz was an 88. I do like the Gudbranson trade provided Vancouver can lock him up for 7 years at 4.8 million (He shouldn't be getting more than Seth Jones) since hockey analysts do seem to like him a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 59 minutes ago, iinatcc said: Considering in NHL 16 after 5 seasons Gudbranson is an 84 overall and McCann is a 89 that makes it even scarier That said I hope NHL 16 is wrong it's not like they are the most accurate game I mean in NHL 16 GM Mode John Tavares is an 99 overall and there was one NHL game where Justin Schutlz was an 88. I do like the Gudbranson trade provided Vancouver can lock him up for 7 years at 4.8 million (He shouldn't be getting more than Seth Jones) since hockey analysts do seem to like him a lot. Don't forget Kyle Turris use to become a 99 overall years back! those were the good ol days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 The fact Canner added 25 pounds has me slightly worried we are gonna regret the deal. but we got a player we need so in that sense im happy with the deal. Just sucks too see someone you trade away get soo solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 6 hours ago, oldnews said: Mascherin isn't really part of the return in that deal. Florida dealt the 33rd pick to Buffalo. Mascherin was taken with their 38th overall. Kulikov and the 33rd to Buffalo for Pysyk, the 38th and the 89th. Rasmus Asplund is who was taken with the 33rd - by Buffalo. For Gudbranson, Kulikov and a 5th (Cole Candella) Florida wound up with McCann, Pysyk, Mascherin, and Linus Nassen (89th). I like the Mascherin pick though. But I'm still curious what Florida will do without Gudbranson, Mitchell, Kulikov - the three guys that handled their hardest minutes last year. They added another soft minutes guy in Pysyk and a sheltered veteran in Yandle. At least they brought in Demers. Looks like Demers and Petrovic may have their hands full. Me too. I think he'll be turning a lot of heads in the future. He, Lucas Johansen, along with Cam Dineen were the my targets with the 33rd.. Lucas went in the 1st round, Mascherin 38th, and we passed up on Dineen for Lockwood which isn't bad at all. I doubt McCann makes the team in Florida. I'd think he goes to their farm team and would be the first call-up perhaps. Barkov, Bjugstad, Trocheck, Bolland make up the center group and that's tough to crack. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out. Hopefully he excels there, I liked him. 4 hours ago, Rush17 said: The fact Canner added 25 pounds has me slightly worried we are gonna regret the deal. but we got a player we need so in that sense im happy with the deal. Just sucks too see someone you trade away get soo solid. I mean when I heard he was traded, I wasn't as sad as hearing Shinkaruk being traded, but yeah, difference between the Shinkaruk and McCann trade is that we know what we're getting in Gudbranson, but we traded Shinky for a question mark (both are at this point). Let's hope Granlund pans out! Gudbranson is going to be bringing a lot more for us now and possibly in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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