LaBamba Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 On 2016-10-16 at 7:26 PM, iinatcc said: I think we also have to see how the 33rd pick, Rasmus Asplund, pans out as well. Kind of a grey area, impossible for us to know who Benning would have picked. I still hold this trade as my most hated. Believe it or not I was a heavy Benning supporter until this. It was a few days after the trade when it all really set in where I lost faith in him and his direction completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, LaBamba said: Kind of a grey area, impossible for us to know who Benning would have picked. I still hold this trade as my most hated. Believe it or not I was a heavy Benning supporter until this. It was a few days after the trade when it all really set in where I lost faith in him and his direction completely. I respect your opinion but have the exact opposite opinion . I feel like we will look back on this as one of the best trades benning has made . I gave you a plus just in case the future proves me wrong . lol i sure hope Im right though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, Lulover88 said: I respect your opinion but have the exact opposite opinion . I feel like we will look back on this as one of the best trades benning has made . I gave you a plus just in case the future proves me wrong . lol i sure hope Im right though I like Gudbranson, always have. He is basically S. Weber without the shot. I just don't like the price we payed. I know everyone always says we needed this type of player more then anything, blah, blah, blah. I disagree. We need a player(s) with skill and finish more than anything. I don't care what position they play either. If we were going to invest this kind of futures into our team I would sooner recieve someone who can break a game with his stick. Pedan, Edler, Tryamkin, Sbisa and defensively Tanev all have the general skill set that Grudbranson has. Don't get me wrong, Gudbranson is at the top of the league in that regard. It's just that it's clearly not an example of what we need more than anything else. I'd put defensive, defensemen ahead of goaltending as our most abundant organizational assets and game changing finishers almost non existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underscore Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 51 minutes ago, LaBamba said: I like Gudbranson, always have. He is basically S. Weber without the shot. I just don't like the price we payed. I know everyone always says we needed this type of player more then anything, blah, blah, blah. I disagree. We need a player(s) with skill and finish more than anything. I don't care what position they play either. If we were going to invest this kind of futures into our team I would sooner recieve someone who can break a game with his stick. Pedan, Edler, Tryamkin, Sbisa and defensively Tanev all have the general skill set that Grudbranson has. Don't get me wrong, Gudbranson is at the top of the league in that regard. It's just that it's clearly not an example of what we need more than anything else. I'd put defensive, defensemen ahead of goaltending as our most abundant organizational assets and game changing finishers almost non existent. The thing is Gudbranson brings more to the table then just his defensive game. Adding him to the lineup with Hutton solidifies our Top 4 D positionaly, and his leadership in the room will benefit younger players like Virtanen. We'll have more offensive entering the line up next year with Stecher and Boeser, and by that time our Defense would have had a full season to gel. Plus, if Larson perfroms well, we have an additional asset to trade. I get what you're saying about high impact offensive players, but there is no way the Canucks will get a player like McDavid or Matthews, so we need a better team game, and Gudbranson helps with building the team from Goalie and Defense out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 17 hours ago, oldnews said: I don't think his role will be as a playmaking center. I think he has a set of assets the team needs - good right handed finisher for the powerplay (something Kesler provided - and he wasn't exactly a playmaker himself). Good speed and can score on the counterpunch / rush - complementing his shutdown/dzone starts well. Ditto where penalty killing is concerned - a great penalty killer who is a thread short-handed for the reason just stated. Right handed faceoff guy - who adds to team speed - two things that Bonino (a great player imo) did not represent (lacking in our assets). His passing doesn't need to be his primary strength - but imo people are underestimating his vision - who knows - we'll see, but I think Sutter's upside is going to be far more evident here than it's been in the past - because of his expanding role, and the quality of the linemates he'll be playing with. Things are starting to come together. Granlund-Sutter seems to have the making of a great 3rd line with the team even slightly ahead of the curve. Teams seem to be trending towards very productive checking lines who can use their speed to score - it allows them to deploy their 2nd line more offensively. Defence is looking good with the addition of Gudbranson and the ripple effect it has on the other Ds. There's also hope that Baer-Horvat can take the next step offensively to form that elusive 2nd line - the Sedins are certainly challenging/preparing them re their recent quotes to Sven & Bo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mathew Barzal Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Was and still am super upset we lost McCann, but Panthers fans have nothing but dissapointing things to say about the kid. Didn't think he'd be that much of a project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 On 2016-10-18 at 4:18 AM, underscore said: The thing is Gudbranson brings more to the table then just his defensive game. Adding him to the lineup with Hutton solidifies our Top 4 D positionaly, and his leadership in the room will benefit younger players like Virtanen. We'll have more offensive entering the line up next year with Stecher and Boeser, and by that time our Defense would have had a full season to gel. Plus, if Larson perfroms well, we have an additional asset to trade. I get what you're saying about high impact offensive players, but there is no way the Canucks will get a player like McDavid or Matthews, so we need a better team game, and Gudbranson helps with building the team from Goalie and Defense out. Boeser is going to be here next year? he might stay in school or not make the team at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 On 10/26/2016 at 0:22 PM, Stierlitz said: Not signed in Hmmm, I was wondering about that actually, thanks for posting. I was really excited about McCann from day 1, and considering what I had heard about the type of game he plays and the fact he plays center, I considered him our most important prospect by far. I don't know where the disconnect was but the player I watched last years wasn't the one I heard about. In fact it was more than once I thought to myself "This guy reminds me of Jordan Shroeder. He's Mr invisible, doesn't seem to want to stand out" It wasn't because of the lack of offense. Virtanen wasn't scoring either but he looked like a guy who was trying to stand out and make a name for himself, I saw sparkle, I saw hunger for the spotlight, these are star qualities that lead me believe Virtanen has something. McCann? Nothing, couple of wrist shots and disappeared for the rest of the year, no pushback, no demand for the spotlight, just sank into the shadows. Sounds like he's doing the same thing in FLA. I'm glad he's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, terrible.dee said: Hmmm, I was wondering about that actually, thanks for posting. I was really excited about McCann from day 1, and considering what I had heard about the type of game he plays and the fact he plays center, I considered him our most important prospect by far. I don't know where the disconnect was but the player I watched last years wasn't the one I heard about. In fact it was more than once I thought to myself "This guy reminds me of Jordan Shroeder. He's Mr invisible, doesn't seem to want to stand out" It wasn't because of the lack of offense. Virtanen wasn't scoring either but he looked like a guy who was trying to stand out and make a name for himself, I saw sparkle, I saw hunger for the spotlight, these are star qualities that lead me believe Virtanen has something. McCann? Nothing, couple of wrist shots and disappeared for the rest of the year, no pushback, no demand for the spotlight, just sank into the shadows. Sounds like he's doing the same thing in FLA. I'm glad he's gone. Admittedly I was wondering little higher on him. I seen a center version of zuccarello. however I knew we needed to give quality to be able to recieve. gudbranson has been money so far. like those who thought nashville won theweber trade, people who thought Florida fleeced us seem to have gone into hiding. Also Let's not forget what Edmonton very up or Larson and Griffin Reinhart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 3 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said: Was and still am super upset we lost McCann, but Panthers fans have nothing but dissapointing things to say about the kid. Didn't think he'd be that much of a project. He's a later first round pick. How often do those picks pan out as top scoring forwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 McCann like Jake didn't belong in the NHL last year but JB was convinced he could "speed up the rebuild" by playing them in the NHL. I think it had an adverse impact on both of them. McCann will go to the AHL soon enough though once Jokinen/Huberdeau/Bjugstad return from injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, Toews said: McCann like Jake didn't belong in the NHL last year but JB was convinced he could "speed up the rebuild" by playing them in the NHL. I think it had an adverse impact on both of them. McCann will go to the AHL soon enough though once Jokinen/Huberdeau/Bjugstad return from injury. Have to agree with you. Jared wasn't physically ready and Jake not mentally ready, but I think it has hurt McCann more. Hopefully, he will go to the AHL for awhile and get his confidence back. He definitely has some great skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 34 minutes ago, Toews said: McCann like Jake didn't belong in the NHL last year but JB was convinced he could "speed up the rebuild" by playing them in the NHL. I think it had an adverse impact on both of them. McCann will go to the AHL soon enough though once Jokinen/Huberdeau/Bjugstad return from injury. Pretty sure it was more about having greater control of their development combined with a lack of depth than trying to 'speed up' anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I didn't want to start a new topic on this. Anyway it was interesting to note (to me at any rate) that McCann is now 6'-1" and 198lbs - which makes him the 5th heaviest forward on the Panthers 16 man roster list. Jeez it won't be long before he is expressing that temper of his in more than just pushing and hard stares. I'm happy for him. I wished JB had found another way to get Guddy but to quote McCann "It is what it is" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Toews said: McCann like Jake didn't belong in the NHL last year but JB was convinced he could "speed up the rebuild" by playing them in the NHL. I think it had an adverse impact on both of them. McCann will go to the AHL soon enough though once Jokinen/Huberdeau/Bjugstad return from injury. To be fair, McCann had a great start to last season which is why they kept him up. He dwindled after the first 9 games, probably from wear and tear in a league he's not used to. Virtanen was in such a weird position last year as he's so much more powerful than the kids in the WHL for the most part and he couldn't go to the AHL. It didn't really seem like an easy decision to begin with and it would have been easy to criticize no matter what choice was made. This year, I guess we'll see what happens, but at least there's the option to send him to the AHL if we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Interesting to read some of the Florida fans' impressions of McCann so far. 0 points in 7 games.. Apparently he is being played on the 4th line, lots of fans saying he should be sent down to the AHL to develop properly....sound familiar? http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=2084079&page=4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underscore Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 On 10/28/2016 at 4:46 AM, ice orca said: Boeser is going to be here next year? he might stay in school or not make the team at all. Yea, from what I remember hearing on 1040 via JB, the Canucks are targeting getting Boeser on the team next year. You're right though, he might not make the team. Still, hard to believe he doesnt based on how things are going for him right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacious Crumb Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 1 hour ago, underscore said: Yea, from what I remember hearing on 1040 via JB, the Canucks are targeting getting Boeser on the team next year. You're right though, he might not make the team. Still, hard to believe he doesnt based on how things are going for him right now Also hard to believe he doesn't based on how things are going for the Canucks right now. Clearly we need skill at forward and Boeser oozes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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