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[Trade] Canucks trade Jared McCann, 2nd-round pick, 4th-round pick to Panthers for Erik Gudbranson, 5th-round pick


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23 hours ago, Pears said:

And do you know what happens if we draft Nylander and Pastrnak? We're far and away the smallest team in the league. 

whered that tough Virtanen go? he has too big of a body for his very small will and effort. At least those two knows how to score, and when could have gotten bigger guys who actually works hard in the later draft or signings

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23 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Because in your world of magical unicorns and elves on hoverboards, anyone with little to no experience can do a better job than an individual who has amassed decades of experience in the NHL. 

So everyone who thought that Nylander and pastarnk were the better pick before the draft has this world? JBs not perfect that sure  is true, JB must have at least once thought about what could've been if he drafted Nylander. 

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Man I've trolled these boards long enough to know Jake Virtanen is type of prospect CDC always cries for. 

 

Armchair GMs still have Kyle Beach playing RW with the Sedins. The draft is a crap shoot.

 

Canucks all time best player was drafted in the 5th round, under different circumstances; sure. 

 

I guess people have moved on about taking Nedved over Jagr. Thats progress. 

 

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12 minutes ago, BlackBeard said:

So everyone who thought that Nylander and pastarnk were the better pick before the draft has this world? JBs not perfect that sure  is true, JB must have at least once thought about what could've been if he drafted Nylander. 

Nylander is playing on TO's 4th line right now.  Why not wait until these boys grow into men and start playing hockey as such before determining who was the best pick for the Canucks.

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On 08/12/2016 at 8:19 AM, Drakrami said:

Anyone can play in the NHL if a team forces the issue. While McCann did look pretty good, both Virtanen and him are in the AHL now. Tryamkin is a #6, Forsling as well. Not saying these werent good picks, but it is too early to tell. If anything, Nylander should have been drafted, and Pastrnak, who is amazing, should have been drafted. 

 

So Benning's 2014 draft class actually looks pretty below average right now. You saying that it looks good at this moment of time just shows your lack of sense. 

 

Forsling is a stud, Hawks fans are calling him Keith-lite.

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8 hours ago, Hutton Wink said:

 

 

Brings to mind the comment Duchene made when he entered the league.  Something about scoring goals coming easy, but being able to play defence at the pro level is extremely difficult.  These kids that go through Juniors as a top goal scoring often struggle when they reach the NHL.

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14 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said:

 

Forsling is a stud, Hawks fans are calling him Keith-lite.

 

Don't know who you're talking to but I work with a ton of Hawks fans and no one particularly likes him.  He's getting the easiest deployment of any d man and is their worst in every possession metric.  He's not been good at all.

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36 minutes ago, SamJamIam said:

 

Don't know who you're talking to but I work with a ton of Hawks fans and no one particularly likes him.  He's getting the easiest deployment of any d man and is their worst in every possession metric.  He's not been good at all.

Ive heard some mixed reports too. He is 20yrs though so very encouraging.  

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Just remembering how the Canucks didn't let McCann go to the WJC last year. That would have been great for his development, and maybe even pushed him into a keeper role with the club. When I look back at both deals for young prospects from last year it's easy to see why JB was willing to give them up. I just wish that he had acquired a couple picks to help counteract those deals via Hammer and Vrby. That would have been great in the long term. 

 

Granlund and McCann will be similar players in the NHL once they are in their prime for me.

Gudbranson was needed at the time and is more valuable than Shinkaruk currently.

the second and 4th could have been replaced by Hammer and Vrby trades. That would have put the franchise net ahead of where we were. Instead we are down two picks...

 

I hope JB learned that he can't afford to trade picks anymore.

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Derp... said:

the second and 4th could have been replaced by Hammer and Vrby trades. That would have put the franchise net ahead of where we were. Instead we are down two picks...

 

Who was offering? You can't just keep saying 'well we could have got picks' when no one is interested in making a deal.

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1 minute ago, Winter Soldier said:

 

Who was offering? You can't just keep saying 'well we could have got picks' when no one is interested in making a deal.

You're right, the players dictated who they could be traded to and that handcuffed JB. Just stating the obvious because in hindsight, all the trades he did make made a lot of sense. They were probably banking on getting a couple picks at the deadline though to help smooth out the process, and provide some flexability.

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6 hours ago, Derp... said:

I hope JB learned that he can't afford to trade picks anymore.

 

I think he's learned the opposite actually.  That so many of his picks are turning out that he doesn't need to fire sale every last asset for picks - the normal quantity will do - and given the young roster players he's added by other means (ie using a pick and/or prospect to acquire someone further along on their development trajectory, or signing a FA), he doesn't need boatloads of low percentage picks - his remaking of this team will not hinge on adding more late picks.

 

Hopefully the people that keep repeating that he needs to learn what he can or can't afford can learn this.

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Just now, oldnews said:

I think he's learned the opposite actually.  That so many of his picks are turning out that he doesn't need to fire sale every last asset for picks - the normal quantity will do - and given the young roster players he's added by other means (ie using a pick and/or prospect to acquire someone further along on their development trajectory, or signing a FA), he doesn't need boatloads of low percentage picks - his remaking of this team will not hinge on adding more late picks.

 

Hopefully the people that keep repeating that he needs to learn what he can or can't afford can learn this.

Lol I like it

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1 minute ago, Derp... said:

Lol I like it

I do think the team has a volume (and quality) of youth that they're truly approaching that point at which they're really just needing to add a key forward, maybe two and may have a 'sleeper'/riser or two already in the system.

And with their 1st this year, their 2nd, the CBJ 2nd and the usual gamut of picks (which they may or may not add or subtract one from), I think they're in decent shape and are also probably either at the end of their 'retool' deals or maybe one more of those in due course.

I get that people want more picks - it's natural when you're looking to the future - but I think Benning's approach has been more forward-looking and balanced than he gets credit for - and I think the way the building is playing out - ie key pieces from the back end forward (the longer development trajectories) as well as a pwf (likewise), I think his team has a good chance of upticking more than people anticipate and on a pretty good timeline with each other.

 

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I do think we have a good chance of getting better in a hurry. The reason I want some more picks is in fact that GM JB has been so good with them. It's easy to wonder if he can unearth a better player with a pic than in a trade. The good news is, as you said, is he's already put us in a position to trend upwards with a younger core. My only issue is getting value out of guys who will be UFA's at the end of their contracts. He was very good at that in the first couple years, and hopefully will return to that level this year if we are out of it by a lot. I don't want to see this team lose their character players, but I do want to see our GM use his best skill as much as possible. 

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24 minutes ago, Derp... said:

I do think we have a good chance of getting better in a hurry. The reason I want some more picks is in fact that GM JB has been so good with them. It's easy to wonder if he can unearth a better player with a pic than in a trade. The good news is, as you said, is he's already put us in a position to trend upwards with a younger core. My only issue is getting value out of guys who will be UFA's at the end of their contracts. He was very good at that in the first couple years, and hopefully will return to that level this year if we are out of it by a lot. I don't want to see this team lose their character players, but I do want to see our GM use his best skill as much as possible. 

One year of being unable to extract value out of the Higgins, Prusts, Vrbata, Hamhuis.... is overplayed imo.  What do all four of those vets have in common?  With the exception of Hamhuis, all of them were injury depreciations last year, and even Hamhuis was a big question mark right up to the deadline.  That's not Benning - it's luck - and dumping Hamhuis to Dallas for a lowball was not an option.  Dallas paid the price for that move - they were a one and done 'contender'.  Benning imo made the right move to eat the 'loss'.

 

Anyhow, I do think they're likely to try to add a pick - which will be very difficult imo in the current climate - but who knows.  If they make another Sutter, Gudbranson, Granlund type deal - I'm fine with that as well and imagine the target would be a relatively young forward with upside and grit - however I don't think the expansion draft will necessarily facilitate moves.

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4 hours ago, oldnews said:

I think he's learned the opposite actually.  That so many of his picks are turning out that he doesn't need to fire sale every last asset for picks - the normal quantity will do - and given the young roster players he's added by other means (ie using a pick and/or prospect to acquire someone further along on their development trajectory, or signing a FA), he doesn't need boatloads of low percentage picks - his remaking of this team will not hinge on adding more late picks.

 

Hopefully the people that keep repeating that he needs to learn what he can or can't afford can learn this.

 

Tired eyes. When I first read this I saw "rebleating". Still seemed appropriate.

 

                                   regards,  G.

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5 hours ago, oldnews said:

I do think the team has a volume (and quality) of youth that they're truly approaching that point at which they're really just needing to add a key forward, maybe two and may have a 'sleeper'/riser or two already in the system.

And with their 1st this year, their 2nd, the CBJ 2nd and the usual gamut of picks (which they may or may not add or subtract one from), I think they're in decent shape and are also probably either at the end of their 'retool' deals or maybe one more of those in due course.

I get that people want more picks - it's natural when you're looking to the future - but I think Benning's approach has been more forward-looking and balanced than he gets credit for - and I think the way the building is playing out - ie key pieces from the back end forward (the longer development trajectories) as well as a pwf (likewise), I think his team has a good chance of upticking more than people anticipate and on a pretty good timeline with each other.

 

Your a tad more optimistic about the forward depth in the org than I. I do think this year's draft is a big deal looking out 2 - 3 years. Top 5 pick and a high 2nd but a weak draft. I do have confidence in Benning's eye. He still needs that 1C that they do not have in the org.  

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