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[Trade] Canucks trade Jared McCann, 2nd-round pick, 4th-round pick to Panthers for Erik Gudbranson, 5th-round pick


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2 minutes ago, GoBoGo53 said:

More than most.

The advanced stats don't lie. This is a terrible trade. 

Right.

 

If you can actually give an honest eval on Gudbrandson, I might take you more seriously, relying on Hero Charts by themselves is creating holes in arguments in how "this is a terrible trade".

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5 minutes ago, GoBoGo53 said:

How do you explain the fact that Cambell increased his Corsi for from 47% to 52% away from Gudbranson? 

You kids shouldn't play with statistics if you're unable to combine them with analytics - which you evidently aren't capable of forming.

 

Campbell's ozone starts were 9.2% higher than Gudbranson's.

 

Which means what?  It means that Campbell's ozone starts, when not playing with Gudbranson were significantly higher - enough to create a 9.2% gap.

 

Gudbranson  faced rqoc of +1.075, while Campbell faced +0.461.  Much weaker quality of competition when not playing with Gudbranson.  When Campbell wasn't with Gudbranson, his primary partner was Eckblad, who had the highest ozone starts on the Florida blueline, and like Campbell, faced significantly weaker quality of competition than Gudbranson.

 

Gudbranson generated +4.6% defensive zone finishes relative to starts.  Campbell +0.4.

 

If you don't understand the integrated meaning of these statistics combined and taken in context, you literally don't understand a word of what you're talking about.

 

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Wow, Canucks defence  is looking pretty good now!

 

Edler-Tanev

Hutton-Gudbranson

Sbisa-Tryamkin

Pedan-Larsen

Biega

 

Hamhuis walks, Bartkowski walks, Weber walks, I could see Sbisa or Edler traded for a more offensive defender/high pick.

 

Great trade for the Canucks!

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Hopefully the Canucks can find a way to resign Hamhuis and then trade Sbisa to make room for Hammer. Gudbranson is already a physical Dman and plus we already got Tryamkin and Pedan waiting in the wings, so that would make Sbisa expendable. We would need Hamhuis's veteran presence to help with the young defense!

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The things I like about this trade are that:

1) McCann was not likely in the plans next year (or later....) - Sedin / Horvat / Sutter are here for at least 2 more years, likely on the scale of 5+ years (when the Sedins re-sign for another short-term contract). Where's McCann fit?

 

2) Many people in their Armchair GM'ing, including myself, were looking at UFA options (to re-sign Hamhuis or to go after other high-end Top-4 defensemen) that would have come in at 4.5+ million / year. This trade saves at least 1 million for other forward-related signings...

 

3) A defense is now shaping up to be very hard and physical to play against, with some of the younger guys being expected to fill an offense-role.

 

Next year:

 

Edler-Tanev [Some offense from Edler, little from Tanev --- Defense-first Pairing]

Hutton-Gudbranson [Lots of offense from Hutton; Gudbranson provides physical presence --- Mixed Pairing]

Sbisa-Tryamkin [Lots of Physical presence here; hopeful for offense from Tryamkin]

Extras:

7th - Larsen - Offense first, likely rotating in and out with Tryamkin

8th - Biega - Battles hard

9th - Pedan - Physical presence

 

Who knows, maybe the Canucks will still target another offense-minded defenseman, but I like how big and strong the backend is shaping up to be.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, oldnews said:

You kids shouldn't play with statistics if you're unable to combine them with analytics - which you evidently aren't capable of forming.

 

Campbell's ozone starts were 9.2% higher than Gudbranson's.

 

Which means what?  It means that Campbell's ozone starts, when not playing with Gudbranson were significantly higher - enough to create a 9.2% gap.

 

Gudbranson  faced rqoc of +1.075, while Campbell faced +0.461.  Much weaker quality of competition when not playing with Gudbranson.  When Campbell wasn't with Gudbranson, his primary partner was Eckblad, who had the highest ozone starts on the Florida blueline, and like Campbell, faced significantly weaker quality of competition than Gudbranson.

 

Gudbranson generated +4.6% defensive zone finishes relative to starts.  Campbell +0.4.

 

If you don't understand the integrated meaning of these statistics combined and taken in context, you literally don't understand a word of what you're talking about.

 

Yet he shut me down for pointing out Campbell had more offensive zone starts, because "they're partners" lol

 

also ran out of pluses so plus one to you sir

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1 minute ago, SergioMomesso said:

I hear ya. But let's be honest here. Where does McCann fit in next year or the year after? He's not a 4C guy and we can't roll into next year expecting Tryamkin to play big minutes when he can barely breath after a 50 second shift. 6'5 dmen who have played over 4 seasons before his 25th birthday don't grow on trees. 

He belongs in the AHL for a year, I was fine with that, it makes sense to have him develop there. We are moving towards the win now team construction, and I imagine after this year we will stop trading picks for 22-25 year olds as the gap will be filled. Hope for the future becomes a middling team of the present. 5 years from Now I hope Gudbranson is leading us into the playoffs season after season, but I dono if it will happen yet. Need to see what he can do with some Offensive zone starts and PP time.

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1 hour ago, SvenBae said:

Didn't think McCann wasn't thay valuable so this makes sense, also he wouldn't fit long term if we draft PLD with Sutter and Horvat.

 

Defense is expensive people, this is what you should expect.

 

Is Gudbranson a guy with good intangibles, aka he Florida's version of Tanev, if so then I really like this trade.

 

We are going to be very tough to play against in a few years.

Are you kidding me? he's nothing like Tanev. He's 6'5 and tough as nails! In front of the net he will beat you down!

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Just now, Aladeen said:

If the Canucks had been lucky enough to have drafted Gudbranson  in 2010 and we had traded him for McCann and a 2nd people would be screaming for JBs head too lol

Can i give this about 15 pluses?  We get a guy that changes the culture of this team, tough, big, will stand up for his team mates. Can play big minutes.  Florida gets a couple of big gambles in McCann and 33rd pick.

 

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1 hour ago, King Heffy said:

The problem is Benning continues to give away draft picks when we need to go into full rebuild.

You can't buy good players from other teams with dollars.  Picks are the monetary unit used and you just hope you can recover them down the road as a result of another trade..  A 3rd over all pick with development under his belt is a far cry from a 22 nd over all who is attempting to find his way in the NHL.

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Just now, Darius71 said:

Can i give this about 15 pluses?  We get a guy that changes the culture of this team, tough, big, will stand up for his team mates. Can play big minutes.  Florida gets a couple of big gambles in McCann and 33rd pick.

 

I think it's obvious Benning wants us to become what the Bruins were in 2011, which I do not have a problem with at all. I want to be the team that manhandles, not gets manhandled.

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

only on CDC do people bitch and moan about the d corps and then when the GM goes out and gets a legit top 6 guy with size and skill do they bitch about what had to be given up.

Could not agree with you more.  RHD nonetheless!

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