canuckster19 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Am I the only one thrilled with this trade? No we didn't fleece the Panthers, but who says we need to fleece someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotianLifestyle Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, GoBoGo53 said: More than most. The advanced stats don't lie. This is a terrible trade. Right. If you can actually give an honest eval on Gudbrandson, I might take you more seriously, relying on Hero Charts by themselves is creating holes in arguments in how "this is a terrible trade". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I'm fine with this. McCann was meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, GoBoGo53 said: How do you explain the fact that Cambell increased his Corsi for from 47% to 52% away from Gudbranson? You kids shouldn't play with statistics if you're unable to combine them with analytics - which you evidently aren't capable of forming. Campbell's ozone starts were 9.2% higher than Gudbranson's. Which means what? It means that Campbell's ozone starts, when not playing with Gudbranson were significantly higher - enough to create a 9.2% gap. Gudbranson faced rqoc of +1.075, while Campbell faced +0.461. Much weaker quality of competition when not playing with Gudbranson. When Campbell wasn't with Gudbranson, his primary partner was Eckblad, who had the highest ozone starts on the Florida blueline, and like Campbell, faced significantly weaker quality of competition than Gudbranson. Gudbranson generated +4.6% defensive zone finishes relative to starts. Campbell +0.4. If you don't understand the integrated meaning of these statistics combined and taken in context, you literally don't understand a word of what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Wow, Canucks defence is looking pretty good now! Edler-Tanev Hutton-Gudbranson Sbisa-Tryamkin Pedan-Larsen Biega Hamhuis walks, Bartkowski walks, Weber walks, I could see Sbisa or Edler traded for a more offensive defender/high pick. Great trade for the Canucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Neilsons Towel Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said: Odds we get a defenseman as good as Gudbranson with the 2nd round pick are about 5-10%... But continue overreacting... THIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRick Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Hopefully the Canucks can find a way to resign Hamhuis and then trade Sbisa to make room for Hammer. Gudbranson is already a physical Dman and plus we already got Tryamkin and Pedan waiting in the wings, so that would make Sbisa expendable. We would need Hamhuis's veteran presence to help with the young defense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 The things I like about this trade are that: 1) McCann was not likely in the plans next year (or later....) - Sedin / Horvat / Sutter are here for at least 2 more years, likely on the scale of 5+ years (when the Sedins re-sign for another short-term contract). Where's McCann fit? 2) Many people in their Armchair GM'ing, including myself, were looking at UFA options (to re-sign Hamhuis or to go after other high-end Top-4 defensemen) that would have come in at 4.5+ million / year. This trade saves at least 1 million for other forward-related signings... 3) A defense is now shaping up to be very hard and physical to play against, with some of the younger guys being expected to fill an offense-role. Next year: Edler-Tanev [Some offense from Edler, little from Tanev --- Defense-first Pairing] Hutton-Gudbranson [Lots of offense from Hutton; Gudbranson provides physical presence --- Mixed Pairing] Sbisa-Tryamkin [Lots of Physical presence here; hopeful for offense from Tryamkin] Extras: 7th - Larsen - Offense first, likely rotating in and out with Tryamkin 8th - Biega - Battles hard 9th - Pedan - Physical presence Who knows, maybe the Canucks will still target another offense-minded defenseman, but I like how big and strong the backend is shaping up to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 So whats the depth chart? Edler Tanev Hutton Gudbranson Tryamkin Larsen Sbisa? Pedan? I guess ita also means Hamhuis is done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 If the Canucks had been lucky enough to have drafted Gudbranson in 2010 and we had traded him for McCann and a 2nd people would be screaming for JBs head too lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam126 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, GoBoGo53 said: More than most. The advanced stats don't lie. This is a terrible trade. Are you watching the games or his "advanced stats"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, oldnews said: You kids shouldn't play with statistics if you're unable to combine them with analytics - which you evidently aren't capable of forming. Campbell's ozone starts were 9.2% higher than Gudbranson's. Which means what? It means that Campbell's ozone starts, when not playing with Gudbranson were significantly higher - enough to create a 9.2% gap. Gudbranson faced rqoc of +1.075, while Campbell faced +0.461. Much weaker quality of competition when not playing with Gudbranson. When Campbell wasn't with Gudbranson, his primary partner was Eckblad, who had the highest ozone starts on the Florida blueline, and like Campbell, faced significantly weaker quality of competition than Gudbranson. Gudbranson generated +4.6% defensive zone finishes relative to starts. Campbell +0.4. If you don't understand the integrated meaning of these statistics combined and taken in context, you literally don't understand a word of what you're talking about. Yet he shut me down for pointing out Campbell had more offensive zone starts, because "they're partners" lol also ran out of pluses so plus one to you sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 McCann was getting man-handled last year. He'll never be a gritty physical pretense, and the Canucks need that. Our D just improved a whole lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 minute ago, SergioMomesso said: I hear ya. But let's be honest here. Where does McCann fit in next year or the year after? He's not a 4C guy and we can't roll into next year expecting Tryamkin to play big minutes when he can barely breath after a 50 second shift. 6'5 dmen who have played over 4 seasons before his 25th birthday don't grow on trees. He belongs in the AHL for a year, I was fine with that, it makes sense to have him develop there. We are moving towards the win now team construction, and I imagine after this year we will stop trading picks for 22-25 year olds as the gap will be filled. Hope for the future becomes a middling team of the present. 5 years from Now I hope Gudbranson is leading us into the playoffs season after season, but I dono if it will happen yet. Need to see what he can do with some Offensive zone starts and PP time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocksterh8 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 hour ago, SvenBae said: Didn't think McCann wasn't thay valuable so this makes sense, also he wouldn't fit long term if we draft PLD with Sutter and Horvat. Defense is expensive people, this is what you should expect. Is Gudbranson a guy with good intangibles, aka he Florida's version of Tanev, if so then I really like this trade. We are going to be very tough to play against in a few years. Are you kidding me? he's nothing like Tanev. He's 6'5 and tough as nails! In front of the net he will beat you down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Just now, Aladeen said: If the Canucks had been lucky enough to have drafted Gudbranson in 2010 and we had traded him for McCann and a 2nd people would be screaming for JBs head too lol Can i give this about 15 pluses? We get a guy that changes the culture of this team, tough, big, will stand up for his team mates. Can play big minutes. Florida gets a couple of big gambles in McCann and 33rd pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benchsplinters Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 hour ago, King Heffy said: The problem is Benning continues to give away draft picks when we need to go into full rebuild. You can't buy good players from other teams with dollars. Picks are the monetary unit used and you just hope you can recover them down the road as a result of another trade.. A 3rd over all pick with development under his belt is a far cry from a 22 nd over all who is attempting to find his way in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckster19 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Just now, Darius71 said: Can i give this about 15 pluses? We get a guy that changes the culture of this team, tough, big, will stand up for his team mates. Can play big minutes. Florida gets a couple of big gambles in McCann and 33rd pick. I think it's obvious Benning wants us to become what the Bruins were in 2011, which I do not have a problem with at all. I want to be the team that manhandles, not gets manhandled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesser Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 hour ago, stawns said: only on CDC do people bitch and moan about the d corps and then when the GM goes out and gets a legit top 6 guy with size and skill do they bitch about what had to be given up. Could not agree with you more. RHD nonetheless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jam126 said: Are you watching the games or his "advanced stats"? By the way he calls Gudbranson terrible, we have a stat sheet queen on our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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