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[Trade] Canucks trade Jared McCann, 2nd-round pick, 4th-round pick to Panthers for Erik Gudbranson, 5th-round pick


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3 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Just for fun

 

The 2nd round picks Benning has traded were turned in to

 

Roland McKeown and Rasmus Andersson.

 

Both near PPG defencemen.  Both have solid skating and decent size.  Our 33rd could be one of McAvoy, Johansen, Clague etc.

 

Again, while one can easily see what Benning is trying to do, and while one can say that the price for Gudbranson is comparable to what has been paid for young dmen lately (Hamilton/Reinhardt)

 

It is hard to not shake ones head at that potential blue line wealth in 2nd round picks

McAvoy will be long gone before the 2nd, but I get what you're saying.

 

Problem is GMs don't have the shelf life they used to. Benning doesn't have the luxury of waiting 5 years for those picks to develop. That's the real motivation behind this.

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1 minute ago, mcgillnuck said:

Benning's guide to fixing the Canucks defense: 

Step 1: Trade a great 2nd pairing Dman on a great contract for a 2nd round pick (Garrison)
Step 2: Hope Sbisa's awfulness is situation-related, and make him a key piece in a trade for a Selke-caliber C to fill that hole you created when you traded Garrison
Step 3: Even though Sbisa remains awful, sign him to a $4mil/yr contract
Step 4 :For reasons known only to God, don't trade Hamhuis at the deadline
Step 5: Finally realize Sbisa is awful, trade a top asset for a 2nd pairing Dman who isn't quite as good as the one you originally traded away 
Step 6: Don't re-sign Hamhuis 

Oh please

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21 minutes ago, oldnews said:

You kids shouldn't play with statistics if you're unable to combine them with analytics - which you evidently aren't capable of forming.

 

Campbell's ozone starts were 9.2% higher than Gudbranson's.

 

Which means what?  It means that Campbell's ozone starts, when not playing with Gudbranson were significantly higher - enough to create a 9.2% gap.

 

Gudbranson  faced rqoc of +1.075, while Campbell faced +0.461.  Much weaker quality of competition when not playing with Gudbranson.  When Campbell wasn't with Gudbranson, his primary partner was Eckblad, who had the highest ozone starts on the Florida blueline, and like Campbell, faced significantly weaker quality of competition than Gudbranson.

 

Gudbranson generated +4.6% defensive zone finishes relative to starts.  Campbell +0.4.

 

If you don't understand the integrated meaning of these statistics combined and taken in context, you literally don't understand a word of what you're talking about.

 

Like we've ever let that stop us before! :P

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9 minutes ago, 2009cupchamps said:

Untapped offence ability. Always put in the role of defence responsibility and finished in the ozone. He is way better than Tanev and hits like a truck

Lol. Tanev is one of the best defensive defenceman in the league. I don't think he's way better than Tanev.

 

Just looked at his HERO chart and he's basically a defensive puck moving defenceman with low scoring and low playing time. He's better at pushing play up ice than preventing shots. I assume he just boxes guys out to make the shots against not very dangerous.

 

But yes he is basically a top 4 defenceman. I'm happy that this will improve our blueline. Hopefully with more opportunity he will be a late bloomer and become a #3 guy.

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McCann is definitely going to be a top six player when he puts on weight. At times during last season, he left you bewildered at some of the things he could pull off. To add salt to the wound a 2nd...

 

Gudbranson is a good Dman but I don't see top pairing potential in him. Top 4, maybe top 6 on a good playoff team. Size isn't everything. Just because he's 6'5" doesn't mean that he's some world beater.

 

If McCann becomes a top 6 player and the 2nd gets Florida a decent player then I'm not so sure I would have done the trade.

 

But Dim Jim wouldn't be himself without his controversial trades. Is this a fleecing? I wouldn't say so yet but it could totally be depending on how McCann and the 2nd pan out.

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1 minute ago, Jack Fig said:

I'm with you, Blunt. This trade sets the D up beautifully. Wouldn't be surprised to see either Edler or Sbisa dealt now. The Canucks have been so easy to play against the past 5 years. Those days are quickly coming to an end, and that makes me a happy fella. 

 

Edler may be the one to fall. But who knows. The pressure to be the biggest physical presence on the blueline is all but gone now. Maybe Alex can concentrate on what makes his game effective. Or maybe Benning will pull another trade for the right Weber....

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1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Oh...he's toast. 

Exactly. Im sure Benning remembers how that 1 dimensional plug Ferkland humiliated the Canuck D.

 

From a fans point of view I find it embarrassing how this team gets pushed around.  Top players get speed bagged, rookies get run at, goalies get shoved, the team is mocked by the media.

 

Benning is trying to change the culture of this team. Its not like this guy is Engelland - hes a young guy that still has upside, can play big minutes and the biggest thing in my mind he will bring respectability to the team.  

 

Guys like Jordan Nolan, Ferkle, and other "pests" will think twice before engaging in stupidities.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Just for fun

 

The 2nd round picks Benning has traded were turned in to

 

Roland McKeown and Rasmus Andersson.

 

Both near PPG defencemen.  Both have solid skating and decent size.  Our 33rd could be one of McAvoy, Johansen, Clague etc.

 

Again, while one can easily see what Benning is trying to do, and while one can say that the price for Gudbranson is comparable to what has been paid for young dmen lately (Hamilton/Reinhardt)

 

It is hard to not shake ones head at that potential blue line wealth in 2nd round picks

 

It's entirely unfair to paint it that simplistically. Of course you can look at what we might have had with those picks, but to be fair you should at least compare it with what we do have, as a result of trading them. Compare those names above to Baertschi and Gudbranson. I think some of those trades, at least partially, led us to Sutter as well. 

 

When presented like that, which set of players would you pick? It's a no-brainer to me.

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1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said:

Trade doesn't happen without the 2nd McCann is not that valueable... 

Pretty much what I was thinking...

 

 

Vancouver: We'd like to acquire Gudbranson.

 

Florida: Okay, how about McCann, the 2016 2nd, and your 4th?

 

Vancouver: What about just McCann and the 4th?

 

Florida: What about them?

 

Vancouver: We'll give you that for Gudbranson, and you throw in your 5th.

 

Florida: McCann, the 2nd and the 4th, and you got a deal.

 

Vancouver: No, just McCann and the 4th.

 

Florida: <click>

 

                                               regards,  G.

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20 minutes ago, Derp... said:

The reason Florida traded Gudbranson is because of the play of Matheson, so clearly they think this guy is or will be the better player, otherwise they could have just traded him no 

 

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=76333

 

I don't understand how either side is thinking at this point hahaha... haha. baha. wah :blink:

Looking past that Ekblad is better > Florida had two similar guys in Ekblad and Petrovic. 

 

Matheson, a 190 lb left handed PMD, will not be in any way used the same way, or in the same role as Gudbranson.  He's Campbell's replacement.  Although it does open a defensive roster spot. Florida just dealt from strength & got themselves some good young assets. To stay relevant over a period of time...

 

3-0 Sharks BTW

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2 minutes ago, City-in-state-of-emergency said:

Right now the Panthers are livid over this trade Gudbranson was very liked guy in the Florida area who was consider to be their Captain so what we give up to get this guy is awesome 

Huh? He's far from being a captain there. 

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6 minutes ago, Darius71 said:

Can i give this about 15 pluses?  We get a guy that changes the culture of this team, tough, big, will stand up for his team mates. Can play big minutes.  Florida gets a couple of big gambles in McCann and 33rd pick.

 

Agreed !

 

I took a look at the panthers board to see what they think about it. 

 

Some quotes:

 

I'm ****ing done

 

I don't know if I can continue to support blowing up the best team in franchise history. Tom Rowe needs to go

 

Why the **** would they trade Gudbranson for a prospect and bunch of picks ?

 

What the hell? Did we seriously just trade away our most consistent Dman all year, future captain and best defensive dman??

 

There is some positive stuff on the board too but this is typical of most fan bases. We get to know our own prospects and get sold on why they will help us in the future so much that we get fixated on them.  Over the years we have been taught to over value guys like:

 

Cody - barely in the league 

Erhoff - barely in the league 

Kassian - not nearly what we hoped 

Lack - average numbers and we appear to have picked right with our goalies on the team and in the system now.

 

We can't want changes to the team and not expect move out only our garbage. Higgins is another guy that would "definitely" get us a 3rd or 4th rounder only to be waived and unclaimed months after statements like that were made. 

 

I I like the deal as it looks like we got the best player in the deal and that team generally wins these trades. We also got "older" but not old by any means, especially considering when d-men hit their peak. 

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