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20 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Not saying he has to be Dylan Larkin at all, just severely overrated on cdc. He'll be a good player in time Gudbranson is a better player in a position we need to fill. We had the depth at C to make this move and traded a quality player and a lottery ticket for a better player. 

I never thought McCann was severely over rated on CDC..He demonstrated elite skills at a very high tempo,he's a gifted player..He's just young,and hasn't filled out yet....There's also a lot of fight in the dog as well..I loved his f**k you attitude..especially the time when he gave it back to Getzlaf.

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7 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Me watching the rest of the league won't change my attachment to our prospects.

 

I still believe McCann will be a good player in this league. That being said, if we draft Dubois with the 5th I'll probably get over it.

you know what also helps to get over it? having you heart broken countless times by prospects - how did robb gordon not make it?  or rick girard?  experience breeds maturity, so now i reserve all excitement until they are well in to their careers.

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2 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

He's bigger and stronger than McCann was in junior and put up more points on a worse team.

 

Lacks high end skill? Not from what I've seen.

 

McCann was probably a 2nd liner at best. Most likely a third liner.

He's just really underwhelming and I get a bad feeling we're looking at a guy who won't produce offensively in the NHL.  Out of all the guys around that position, he's the only one other than Nylander I want absolutely no part of.  He jumped a ton based on the input of one guy in central scouting.

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At least a few NHL team scouts, especially those acquainted with the staff at CSS over the years, believe that Dubois's climb reflects a shift in power in the war room underwritten by the league. Danny Marr replaced the late E.J. Maguire in 2011 as CSS director and over the course of the years has shaped the outfit into his own.

A lot of veteran scouts have moved on, including the top man in each of the CHL regions: B.J. MacDonald in the West and Christian Bordeleau in Quebec both retired after decades with CSS, and Chris Edwards in Ontario left CSS to work with the overseers of the league's on-ice officials. In their absence David Gregory, who is based in New England, has asserted authority that none of the other top regional scouts had up until this season.

Said one NHL team scouting director: "Under E.J. [the CSS war room] was about consensus—building and sounding everyone out, giving everyone else a voice. Under Marr and Gregory it's very much top-down... they have strong opinions and expect [the rest of CSS staff] to fall in line."

Okay, it's somewhat speculative to say that Dubois was Gregory's guy, but scouts point to another player on CSS's final list as proof Gregory's outsize influence: UConn centre Tage Thompson at No. 20 among North American skaters.

Final Rank Midterm Rank Player Position Last Amateur Club League
1 7 Dubois, Pierre-Luc Left Wing Cape Breton QMJHL
2 1 Tkachuk, Matthew Left Wing London OHL
3 3 Nylander, Alexander Left Wing Mississauga OHL
4 2 Chychrun, Jakob Defenseman Sarnia OHL
5 5 Juolevi, Olli Defenseman London OHL
6 9 McAvoy, Charles Defenseman Boston University H-EAST
7 14 Brown, Logan Center Windsor OHL
8 10 Sergachev, Mikhail Defenseman Windsor OHL
9 8 Keller, Clayton Center USA U-18 USHL
10 12 Bellows, Kieffer Left Wing USA U-18 USHL
11 16 Kunin, Luke Center U Wisconsin BIG10
12 4 Gauthier, Julien Right Wing Val-D'or QMJHL
13 6 McLeod, Michael Center Mississauga OHL
14 11 Jones, Max Left Wing London OHL
15 13 Bean, Jake Defenseman Calgary WHL
16 15 Jost, Tyson Center Penticton BCHL
17 17 Tufte, Riley Left Wing Blaine HIGH-MN
18 18 Fabbro, Dante Defenseman Penticton BCHL
19 23 Stanley, Logan Defenseman Windsor OHL
20 24 Thompson, Tage Center U Connecticut H-EAST
21 20 Debrincat, Alexander Right Wing Erie OHL
22 27 Howden, Brett Center Moose Jaw WHL
23 48 Cholowski, Dennis Defenseman Chilliwack BCHL
24 21 Benson, Tyler Left Wing Vancouver WHL
25 32 Katchouk, Boris Left Wing Sault Marie OHL
26 38 Johansen, Lucas Defenseman Kelowna WHL
27 22 Clague, Kale Defenseman Brandon WHL
28 31 Laberge, Pascal Center Victoriaville QMJHL
29 56 Abramov, Vitaly Right Wing Gatineau QMJHL
30 29 Steel, Sam Center Regina WHL
31 26 Hajek, Libor Defenseman Saskatoon WHL
32 36 Allard, Frederic Defenseman Chicoutimi QMJHL
33 33 Kopacka, Jack Left Wing Sault Marie OHL
34 45 Kyrou, Jordan Center Sarnia OHL
35 19 Bastian, Nathan Right Wing Mississauga OHL
36 34 Raddysh, Taylor Right Wing Erie OHL
37 28 Gettinger, Timothy Left Wing Sault Marie OHL
38 40 Girard, Samuel Defenseman Shawinigan QMJHL
39 117 Dineen, Cam Defenseman North Bay OHL
40 37 Green, Luke Defenseman Saint John QMJHL
41 35 Dube, Dillon Center Kelowna WHL
42 57 Mascherin, Adam Left Wing Kitchener OHL
43 42 Bitten, William Center Flint OHL
44 41 Lajoie, Maxime Defenseman Swift Current WHL
45 75 Gregor, Noah Center Moose Jaw WHL
46 59 Morrison, Cameron Left Wing Youngstown USHL
47 39 Frederic, Trent Center USA U-18 USHL
48 25 Stransky, Simon Left Wing Prince Albert WHL
49 51 Lindgren, Ryan Defenseman USA U-18 USHL
50 67 Fox, Adam Defenseman USA U-18 USHL

A survey of five scouts came to a consensus opinion that Thompson is a late-second or third-round pick. "This is a guy Gregory would have seen a lot of and the cross-over [scouts] less so," one scout said. "Not that he's waving the pom-poms, but the fact is that if you see someone more than others do, you aren't dispassionate about it sometimes.

"You have to try to avoid that but the urge is to see stuff [through repeated viewing] that other people don't see on more limited views because it's really not there."

Maybe this is something of an awaited turn-about: Historically the belief under Maguire's stewardship was that NHL CSS under-scouted the QMJHL, that players in the 'Q' were less frequently viewed than those in the OHL and WHL. (NCAA players are in another category given fewer games played.)

Ten years ago, a QMJHL prospect might have 40 views from scouts compared to 60 or 70 in the other major-junior leagues. It's not clear how often Dubois or others in Quebec and New England were viewed but what matters most, it seems, was who was doing the viewing.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/pierre-luc-dubois-rose-top-nhl-central-scoutings-final-rankings-2016-nhl-draft/

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2 minutes ago, desiboynux4lifee******* said:

here it goes im going to type this with my best capbility to control my emotions, so bare with me.

 

First, and foremost this trade stinks. Anyway you put it this is a dumb trade, go look at the comments fans made on his signing. Second this is the results of Benning and Linden being the biggest braindead clowns to run this team in a long run. Don't we have that waste Sbisa for how many years? Hey Benning who is going to score goals on defence? And hey Benning how much stock do you put in a guy like Gaunce over McCann, I get if the Canucks' trade Gaunce for this type of deal, but you trade a sexy skilled forward for a freaking another Sbisa 2.0, who again has no OFFENSIVE CAPILITIES. something we need, makes you wonder what direction these morons running the show are going?

 

You look at the bloody leafs they are doing things the right way, this is freaking why you don't retool, you are rushing freaking trades and you hurting and risking your team. What was the bloody hurry for making this deal? Gubarson signed a 1 year, seriously what put ants in Benning's freaking pants to make this trade? You are freaking rebuilding you darn clowned out management, is trying to give the beautiful Sedins' another go at the cup by mortgaging the future. 

 

This is a horrible trade, you gave away a prospect skilled forward with untapped potiental similar to Shinkurak. I love it guys, I love how you guys just can't call Benning wrong. Jim BENNING is running this team deeper and deeper into a hole. Three years of this crap will put us in a 8 year rebuild before we see real competition in this city, seriously Henrik and Daneil tell the teeam you want to be traded if they are building a team for you two to win a cup then honestly I don't know what to say. Because you two have had your chance and guess what you weren't successful so how does Gubarson make this team better now or in the future? He doesn't the key thing here is we lost a skilled 1st rounder for another one of  Bennings slow dummy defencemen who can play the boards in the East but hey did you forget this is the Western conference.  

 

 

You are a braindead clown.

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1 minute ago, desiboynux4lifee******* said:

here it goes im going to type this with my best capbility to control my emotions, so bare with me.

 

First, and foremost this trade stinks. Anyway you put it this is a dumb trade, go look at the comments fans made on his signing. Second this is the results of Benning and Linden being the biggest braindead clowns to run this team in a long run. Don't we have that waste Sbisa for how many years? Hey Benning who is going to score goals on defence? And hey Benning how much stock do you put in a guy like Gaunce over McCann, I get if the Canucks' trade Gaunce for this type of deal, but you trade a sexy skilled forward for a freaking another Sbisa 2.0, who again has no OFFENSIVE CAPILITIES. something we need, makes you wonder what direction these morons running the show are going?

 

You look at the bloody leafs they are doing things the right way, this is freaking why you don't retool, you are rushing freaking trades and you hurting and risking your team. What was the bloody hurry for making this deal? Gubarson signed a 1 year, seriously what put ants in Benning's freaking pants to make this trade? You are freaking rebuilding you darn clowned out management, is trying to give the beautiful Sedins' another go at the cup by mortgaging the future. 

 

This is a horrible trade, you gave away a prospect skilled forward with untapped potiental similar to Shinkurak. I love it guys, I love how you guys just can't call Benning wrong. Jim BENNING is running this team deeper and deeper into a hole. Three years of this crap will put us in a 8 year rebuild before we see real competition in this city, seriously Henrik and Daneil tell the teeam you want to be traded if they are building a team for you two to win a cup then honestly I don't know what to say. Because you two have had your chance and guess what you weren't successful so how does Gubarson make this team better now or in the future? He doesn't the key thing here is we lost a skilled 1st rounder for another one of  Bennings slow dummy defencemen who can play the boards in the East but hey did you forget this is the Western conference.  

 

 

Lol sounds good to me. It means the rebuild will finally be in full swing.

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Just now, Honky Cat said:

I never thought McCann was severely over rated on CDC..He demonstrated elite skills at a very high tempo,he's a gifted player..He's just young,and hasn't filled out yet....There's also a lot of fight in the dog as well..I loved his f**k you attitude..especially the time when he gave it back to Getzlaf.

McCann is a good prospect who'll likely develop into a very good forward. However, you have to give to get. Gudbranson is a great pickup, but there was a heavy cost. Given the Canucks prospect pipeline they could afford to move McCann. 

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5 minutes ago, desiboynux4lifee******* said:

here it goes im going to type this with my best capbility to control my emotions, so bare with me.

 

First, and foremost this trade stinks. Anyway you put it this is a dumb trade, go look at the comments fans made on his signing. Second this is the results of Benning and Linden being the biggest braindead clowns to run this team in a long run. Don't we have that waste Sbisa for how many years? Hey Benning who is going to score goals on defence? And hey Benning how much stock do you put in a guy like Gaunce over McCann, I get if the Canucks' trade Gaunce for this type of deal, but you trade a sexy skilled forward for a freaking another Sbisa 2.0, who again has no OFFENSIVE CAPILITIES. something we need, makes you wonder what direction these morons running the show are going?

 

You look at the bloody leafs they are doing things the right way, this is freaking why you don't retool, you are rushing freaking trades and you hurting and risking your team. What was the bloody hurry for making this deal? Gubarson signed a 1 year, seriously what put ants in Benning's freaking pants to make this trade? You are freaking rebuilding you darn clowned out management, is trying to give the beautiful Sedins' another go at the cup by mortgaging the future. 

 

This is a horrible trade, you gave away a prospect skilled forward with untapped potiental similar to Shinkurak. I love it guys, I love how you guys just can't call Benning wrong. Jim BENNING is running this team deeper and deeper into a hole. Three years of this crap will put us in a 8 year rebuild before we see real competition in this city, seriously Henrik and Daneil tell the teeam you want to be traded if they are building a team for you two to win a cup then honestly I don't know what to say. Because you two have had your chance and guess what you weren't successful so how does Gubarson make this team better now or in the future? He doesn't the key thing here is we lost a skilled 1st rounder for another one of  Bennings slow dummy defencemen who can play the boards in the East but hey did you forget this is the Western conference.  

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Roger Neilson's Towel said:

Yeah, I don't get all the hate this trade is getting. This is exactly what we needed and the cost was not bad considering the prices paid on comparable players recently. I'm excited to see him play. Will be nice to have a big and tough defense corps for once. 

I think a certain segment of posters are reading the Hockey News and their skewed take on this trade. 

 

Gudbrandson will make an immediate impact on the blueline. Combine that with Hutton and Tryamkin building off of positive rookie seasons, and Tanev riding the high of being a huge part of Team Canada's success, and the makings of a frightening new defense are already upon us. 

 

And I didn't even mention Edler, Sbisa, or Biega, Pedan...and possibly Hamhuis. 

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Just now, Toews said:

You are a braindead clown.

thanks for your comment here is some reality. 

 

Benning trades Forsling for Clendenning

Benning trades Shink for Granlund

Benning trades 2nd for Vey

Benning trades now McCann for Gubarson

 

see what is in common here, these are quick retool trades that are trying to stop the common sense (rebuild) which should be happening, instead Benning is gambling with the future to give veterans another go at the cup. Fire freaking Benning.

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2 hours ago, DeNiro said:

The fact that he's a UFA next season scares me. I hope that means Benning doesn't overpay to get him locked up like he's done with other deals.

So many people getting this wrong and other people repeating the same incorrect information. He is an RFA next summer, not a UFA. Big difference.

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9 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Dubois basically had a good half season in a buttery soft league.  He won't be able to physically dominate in the NHL and he lacks high-end skill.  He'll be a 3rd liner.

 

7 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Markus Grandma.

You never disappoint...!

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5 minutes ago, Toews said:

Yeah we will trust your opinion over what professional scouts have been saying. Kid is 6'3, he can dominate any league physically.

Basically the work of one scout as per Sportsnet:

 

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At least a few NHL team scouts, especially those acquainted with the staff at CSS over the years, believe that Dubois's climb reflects a shift in power in the war room underwritten by the league. Danny Marr replaced the late E.J. Maguire in 2011 as CSS director and over the course of the years has shaped the outfit into his own.

A lot of veteran scouts have moved on, including the top man in each of the CHL regions: B.J. MacDonald in the West and Christian Bordeleau in Quebec both retired after decades with CSS, and Chris Edwards in Ontario left CSS to work with the overseers of the league's on-ice officials. In their absence David Gregory, who is based in New England, has asserted authority that none of the other top regional scouts had up until this season.

Said one NHL team scouting director: "Under E.J. [the CSS war room] was about consensus—building and sounding everyone out, giving everyone else a voice. Under Marr and Gregory it's very much top-down... they have strong opinions and expect [the rest of CSS staff] to fall in line."

Okay, it's somewhat speculative to say that Dubois was Gregory's guy, but scouts point to another player on CSS's final list as proof Gregory's outsize influence: UConn centre Tage Thompson at No. 20 among North American skaters.

Final Rank Midterm Rank Player Position Last Amateur Club League
1 7 Dubois, Pierre-Luc Left Wing Cape Breton QMJHL
2 1 Tkachuk, Matthew Left Wing London OHL
3 3 Nylander, Alexander Left Wing Mississauga OHL
4 2 Chychrun, Jakob Defenseman Sarnia OHL
5 5 Juolevi, Olli Defenseman London OHL
6 9 McAvoy, Charles Defenseman Boston University H-EAST
7 14 Brown, Logan Center Windsor OHL
8 10 Sergachev, Mikhail Defenseman Windsor OHL
9 8 Keller, Clayton Center USA U-18 USHL
10 12 Bellows, Kieffer Left Wing USA U-18 USHL
11 16 Kunin, Luke Center U Wisconsin BIG10
12 4 Gauthier, Julien Right Wing Val-D'or QMJHL
13 6 McLeod, Michael Center Mississauga OHL
14 11 Jones, Max Left Wing London OHL
15 13 Bean, Jake Defenseman Calgary WHL
16 15 Jost, Tyson Center Penticton BCHL
17 17 Tufte, Riley Left Wing Blaine HIGH-MN
18 18 Fabbro, Dante Defenseman Penticton BCHL
19 23 Stanley, Logan Defenseman Windsor OHL
20 24 Thompson, Tage Center U Connecticut H-EAST
21 20 Debrincat, Alexander Right Wing Erie OHL
22 27 Howden, Brett Center Moose Jaw WHL
23 48 Cholowski, Dennis Defenseman Chilliwack BCHL
24 21 Benson, Tyler Left Wing Vancouver WHL
25 32 Katchouk, Boris Left Wing Sault Marie OHL
26 38 Johansen, Lucas Defenseman Kelowna WHL
27 22 Clague, Kale Defenseman Brandon WHL
28 31 Laberge, Pascal Center Victoriaville QMJHL
29 56 Abramov, Vitaly Right Wing Gatineau QMJHL
30 29 Steel, Sam Center Regina WHL
31 26 Hajek, Libor Defenseman Saskatoon WHL
32 36 Allard, Frederic Defenseman Chicoutimi QMJHL
33 33 Kopacka, Jack Left Wing Sault Marie OHL
34 45 Kyrou, Jordan Center Sarnia OHL
35 19 Bastian, Nathan Right Wing Mississauga OHL
36 34 Raddysh, Taylor Right Wing Erie OHL
37 28 Gettinger, Timothy Left Wing Sault Marie OHL
38 40 Girard, Samuel Defenseman Shawinigan QMJHL
39 117 Dineen, Cam Defenseman North Bay OHL
40 37 Green, Luke Defenseman Saint John QMJHL
41 35 Dube, Dillon Center Kelowna WHL
42 57 Mascherin, Adam Left Wing Kitchener OHL
43 42 Bitten, William Center Flint OHL
44 41 Lajoie, Maxime Defenseman Swift Current WHL
45 75 Gregor, Noah Center Moose Jaw WHL
46 59 Morrison, Cameron Left Wing Youngstown USHL
47 39 Frederic, Trent Center USA U-18 USHL
48 25 Stransky, Simon Left Wing Prince Albert WHL
49 51 Lindgren, Ryan Defenseman USA U-18 USHL
50 67 Fox, Adam Defenseman USA U-18 USHL

A survey of five scouts came to a consensus opinion that Thompson is a late-second or third-round pick. "This is a guy Gregory would have seen a lot of and the cross-over [scouts] less so," one scout said. "Not that he's waving the pom-poms, but the fact is that if you see someone more than others do, you aren't dispassionate about it sometimes.

"You have to try to avoid that but the urge is to see stuff [through repeated viewing] that other people don't see on more limited views because it's really not there."

Maybe this is something of an awaited turn-about: Historically the belief under Maguire's stewardship was that NHL CSS under-scouted the QMJHL, that players in the 'Q' were less frequently viewed than those in the OHL and WHL. (NCAA players are in another category given fewer games played.)

Ten years ago, a QMJHL prospect might have 40 views from scouts compared to 60 or 70 in the other major-junior leagues. It's not clear how often Dubois or others in Quebec and New England were viewed but what matters most, it seems, was who was doing the viewing.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/pierre-luc-dubois-rose-top-nhl-central-scoutings-final-rankings-2016-nhl-draft/

 

This is a very, very risky pick.

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3 hours ago, ThaShady1 said:

I like Gudbranson's game a lot... Plus, this years 2nd would more than likely be a defenceman anyways, Gudbranson can help us immediately. 

It's people over valuing assets. You have to get past McCann not being as valuable as you think . 

McCann slipped down the depth chart. So this time next year you'd be lucky to get a third pick for him if he stayed in the minors all season because he'd be buried on the depth chart . 

JB did just fine and addressed the size and snarl issue on Vancouver's back end.

I think as others have suggested that Vancouver knows whom they will pick in this draft.  

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5 minutes ago, desiboynux4lifee******* said:

here it goes im going to type this with my best capbility to control my emotions, so bare with me.

 

First, and foremost this trade stinks. Anyway you put it this is a dumb trade, go look at the comments fans made on his signing. Second this is the results of Benning and Linden being the biggest braindead clowns to run this team in a long run. Don't we have that waste Sbisa for how many years? Hey Benning who is going to score goals on defence? And hey Benning how much stock do you put in a guy like Gaunce over McCann, I get if the Canucks' trade Gaunce for this type of deal, but you trade a sexy skilled forward for a freaking another Sbisa 2.0, who again has no OFFENSIVE CAPILITIES. something we need, makes you wonder what direction these morons running the show are going?

 

You look at the bloody leafs they are doing things the right way, this is freaking why you don't retool, you are rushing freaking trades and you hurting and risking your team. What was the bloody hurry for making this deal? Gubarson signed a 1 year, seriously what put ants in Benning's freaking pants to make this trade? You are suppose to be rebuilding you yet management, is trying to give the beautiful Sedins' another go at the cup by mortgaging the future. 

 

This is a horrible trade, you gave away a prospect skilled forward with untapped potiental similar to Shinkurak. I love it guys, I love how you guys just can't call Benning wrong. Jim BENNING is running this team deeper and deeper into a hole. Three years of this crap will put us in a 8 year rebuild before we see real competition in this city, seriously Henrik and Daneil tell the teeam you want to be traded if they are building a team for you two to win a cup then honestly I don't know what to say. Because you two have had your chance and guess what you weren't successful so how does Gubarson make this team better now or in the future? He doesn't the key thing here is we lost a skilled 1st rounder for another one of  Bennings slow dummy defencemen who can play the boards in the East but hey did you forget this is the Western conference.  

 

 

^ If anyone is wondering if we won this trade or not here is the proof that we did!

 

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Just now, desiboynux4lifee******* said:

thanks for your comment here is some reality. 

 

Benning trades Forsling for Clendenning

Benning trades Shink for Granlund

Benning trades 2nd for Vey

Benning trades now McCann for Gubarson

 

see what is in common here, these are quick retool trades that are trying to stop the common sense (rebuild) which should be happening, instead Benning is gambling with the future to give veterans another go at the cup. Fire freaking Benning.

Gubarson, no wonder you're so mad you're looking up the wrong player :lol:

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