PhillipBlunt Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Are desi and Heffy holding each other somewhere and weeping hysterically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 9 minutes ago, DeNiro said: It's definitely harder to judge these trades from an outsiders perspective when you have followed guys like Shinkaruk and McCann since they were drafted. I think that's the difference between people who can look at this trade with an even keel and those who can't. For me I remember watching these guys play all the way from junior, and rooted them on all the way to the NHL. As a fan it's hard to invest that much to see them continually dealt before they really get a chance to shine here. Maybe i should just stop following our prospects so closely... Understandable if a good fan has a lump in their throat when we lose a team mate? From following CDC you are one of 8 or 10 very dedicated followers of our prospects, And I recall specifically yourself calling for patience with many guys; Shinkaruk & Schroeder specifically, but also McCann. That's a good outlook. Its also possible to have a discerning eye, versus unabashed support, towards our prospects? There were reasons some guys look / looked like they might not make it. It's ok to have concerns as well. I was never surprised when Schroeder was let go, Shinkaruk traded at a loss in comparison to his hype when drafted. 4 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Me watching the rest of the league won't change my attachment to our prospects. I still believe McCann will be a good player in this league. That being said, if we draft Dubois with the 5th I'll probably get over it. That said above > McCann was traded because he was valuable & looked like a great pick! Helped us get something of fairly substantial value. I agree / believe in 3 years JM will be a wicked pick. Its will be equally refreshing in a few years (fingers crossed) when we won't have to be trading our picks? Because we have a full cupboard of whet we need moving in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 This is a true "hockey trade" - quality for quality. I do think we came out on top - a big RHD, legit top 4 moving into his prime years? There are about 3 guys like that maybe as RFAs. I liked McCann but Gud is the rarer asset. Im actually surprised Florida did this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry35 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Wow Desi doesn't like the trade, who would have guessed......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tajun Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, Toews said: You are a braindead clown. I don't think I have ever seen a post get 5 rep in four minutes on this board before. I get the feeling a lot of people aren't thrilled with Desi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I'm honestly sort of OK with this trade as long as it doesn't lead to us wasting our pick as well. At least Benning got a good player out of this deal which is better than can be expected of him at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Just now, gerry35 said: Wow Desi doesn't like the trade, who would have guessed......... He's wondering why we didn't just sign BoSang. He's just as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 minute ago, desiboynux4lifee******* said: thanks for your comment here is some reality. Benning trades Forsling for Clendenning Benning trades Shink for Granlund Benning trades 2nd for Vey Benning trades now McCann for Gubarson see what is in common here, these are quick retool trades that are trying to stop the common sense (rebuild) which should be happening, instead Benning is gambling with the future to give veterans another go at the cup. Fire freaking Benning. Gudbranson is a proven top 4 defenseman. I don't like the other trades either but why are you lumping this one with the others. I am not a fan of most of the moves Benning has made but this is the one trade I can say he won convincingly. 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: Basically the work of one scout as per Sportsnet: Reveal hidden contents At least a few NHL team scouts, especially those acquainted with the staff at CSS over the years, believe that Dubois's climb reflects a shift in power in the war room underwritten by the league. Danny Marr replaced the late E.J. Maguire in 2011 as CSS director and over the course of the years has shaped the outfit into his own. A lot of veteran scouts have moved on, including the top man in each of the CHL regions: B.J. MacDonald in the West and Christian Bordeleau in Quebec both retired after decades with CSS, and Chris Edwards in Ontario left CSS to work with the overseers of the league's on-ice officials. In their absence David Gregory, who is based in New England, has asserted authority that none of the other top regional scouts had up until this season. Said one NHL team scouting director: "Under E.J. [the CSS war room] was about consensus—building and sounding everyone out, giving everyone else a voice. Under Marr and Gregory it's very much top-down... they have strong opinions and expect [the rest of CSS staff] to fall in line." Okay, it's somewhat speculative to say that Dubois was Gregory's guy, but scouts point to another player on CSS's final list as proof Gregory's outsize influence: UConn centre Tage Thompson at No. 20 among North American skaters. Final Rank Midterm Rank Player Position Last Amateur Club League 1 7 Dubois, Pierre-Luc Left Wing Cape Breton QMJHL 2 1 Tkachuk, Matthew Left Wing London OHL 3 3 Nylander, Alexander Left Wing Mississauga OHL 4 2 Chychrun, Jakob Defenseman Sarnia OHL 5 5 Juolevi, Olli Defenseman London OHL 6 9 McAvoy, Charles Defenseman Boston University H-EAST 7 14 Brown, Logan Center Windsor OHL 8 10 Sergachev, Mikhail Defenseman Windsor OHL 9 8 Keller, Clayton Center USA U-18 USHL 10 12 Bellows, Kieffer Left Wing USA U-18 USHL 11 16 Kunin, Luke Center U Wisconsin BIG10 12 4 Gauthier, Julien Right Wing Val-D'or QMJHL 13 6 McLeod, Michael Center Mississauga OHL 14 11 Jones, Max Left Wing London OHL 15 13 Bean, Jake Defenseman Calgary WHL 16 15 Jost, Tyson Center Penticton BCHL 17 17 Tufte, Riley Left Wing Blaine HIGH-MN 18 18 Fabbro, Dante Defenseman Penticton BCHL 19 23 Stanley, Logan Defenseman Windsor OHL 20 24 Thompson, Tage Center U Connecticut H-EAST 21 20 Debrincat, Alexander Right Wing Erie OHL 22 27 Howden, Brett Center Moose Jaw WHL 23 48 Cholowski, Dennis Defenseman Chilliwack BCHL 24 21 Benson, Tyler Left Wing Vancouver WHL 25 32 Katchouk, Boris Left Wing Sault Marie OHL 26 38 Johansen, Lucas Defenseman Kelowna WHL 27 22 Clague, Kale Defenseman Brandon WHL 28 31 Laberge, Pascal Center Victoriaville QMJHL 29 56 Abramov, Vitaly Right Wing Gatineau QMJHL 30 29 Steel, Sam Center Regina WHL 31 26 Hajek, Libor Defenseman Saskatoon WHL 32 36 Allard, Frederic Defenseman Chicoutimi QMJHL 33 33 Kopacka, Jack Left Wing Sault Marie OHL 34 45 Kyrou, Jordan Center Sarnia OHL 35 19 Bastian, Nathan Right Wing Mississauga OHL 36 34 Raddysh, Taylor Right Wing Erie OHL 37 28 Gettinger, Timothy Left Wing Sault Marie OHL 38 40 Girard, Samuel Defenseman Shawinigan QMJHL 39 117 Dineen, Cam Defenseman North Bay OHL 40 37 Green, Luke Defenseman Saint John QMJHL 41 35 Dube, Dillon Center Kelowna WHL 42 57 Mascherin, Adam Left Wing Kitchener OHL 43 42 Bitten, William Center Flint OHL 44 41 Lajoie, Maxime Defenseman Swift Current WHL 45 75 Gregor, Noah Center Moose Jaw WHL 46 59 Morrison, Cameron Left Wing Youngstown USHL 47 39 Frederic, Trent Center USA U-18 USHL 48 25 Stransky, Simon Left Wing Prince Albert WHL 49 51 Lindgren, Ryan Defenseman USA U-18 USHL 50 67 Fox, Adam Defenseman USA U-18 USHL A survey of five scouts came to a consensus opinion that Thompson is a late-second or third-round pick. "This is a guy Gregory would have seen a lot of and the cross-over [scouts] less so," one scout said. "Not that he's waving the pom-poms, but the fact is that if you see someone more than others do, you aren't dispassionate about it sometimes. "You have to try to avoid that but the urge is to see stuff [through repeated viewing] that other people don't see on more limited views because it's really not there." Maybe this is something of an awaited turn-about: Historically the belief under Maguire's stewardship was that NHL CSS under-scouted the QMJHL, that players in the 'Q' were less frequently viewed than those in the OHL and WHL. (NCAA players are in another category given fewer games played.) Ten years ago, a QMJHL prospect might have 40 views from scouts compared to 60 or 70 in the other major-junior leagues. It's not clear how often Dubois or others in Quebec and New England were viewed but what matters most, it seems, was who was doing the viewing. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/pierre-luc-dubois-rose-top-nhl-central-scoutings-final-rankings-2016-nhl-draft/ This is a very, very risky pick. Pronman has him at #5 as well ahead of Tkachuk and Nylander. He is not risky at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soshified Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 For all i know, our defense just got a lot better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Aquired one of my favourite players and lost one of my favourite prospects........bitter sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 7 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Are desi and Heffy holding each other somewhere and weeping hysterically? Oh they're 'consoling' each other alright.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 To those who think VAN overpaid for Gudbranson - EDM paid a 1st and a #33 (2nd) to NYI for Griffin Reinhart at draft last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_Lu1ngo Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, King Heffy said: McCann>> Dubust. This terrifies me if we not only don't get Tkachuk, we have to play against him in our division. I gotta disagree Heff. Dubois is just as skilled and fast, plays a nhl style game and outproduced Mccann quite a bit in CHL draft year. There is a reason he is arguably 4th pick in many of GMs books in a deep draft. I agree that playing against him will suck but its outta our control if he goes 4th which I believe will happen. But you win with Goaltending and defense, then the middle, then wingers. Mccann is more likely to be a winger in the NHL. It suits his style, hes not suited for 3rd or 4th line centre but unfortunately is not big enough or strong enough for 1st or 2nd line, skilled enough probably. He doesnt win enough draws either. He will obviously improve but EG is needed much more. Would have loved to keep the 2nd though. Demko Markstrom Tanev, Gudbranson, Hutton, Tryamkin, Stetcher, Brisebois Dubois Horvat Sutter couple of seasons from now this could ve a very effective mix. With Baertschi Virtanen Boeser Rodin Etem flanking its not bad at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Toews said: Gudbranson is a proven top 4 defenseman. I don't like the other trades either but why are you lumping this one with the others. I am not a fan of most of the moves Benning has made but this is the one trade I can say he won convincingly. Every one of those trades is a less proven asset for a more proven one. Yes they were all gambles, but every trade is isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Maybe Heffy will be happy if we move Edler for a first at the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EV604 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Good trade, something had to happen with our D and good on Benning for showing some marbles. With or without Hammer our D is much hard to play against now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 18 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Agreed. Benning will add a couple more impact pieces before the start of next season, and the team will be a handful come puck drop in the fall. Pedan (6-4), Tryamkin (6-7), Gudbranson (6-5), Markstrom (6-6), Sutter (6-3), Virtanen (stocky 6-1)...Lucic (6-3)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 A note about the departed 2nd round pick. Trading away 2nd round picks is part of the reason why the Canucks have such a terrible 22-28 talent gap. What is significantly different is Gillis and Nonis let go of those picks for players that hardly played 30 games in a Canucks uniform. Benning is letting go of those picks for guys that will hopefully play 300+ games in a Canucks uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawkdrummer Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I like the trade. RHD and has the size to move the Western division power forwards out of the way. He can use his mitts and has leadership qualities. Honestly the sky isn't falling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said: To those who think VAN overpaid for Gudbranson - EDM paid a 1st and a #33 (2nd) to NYI for Griffin Reinhart at draft last year. True story. Although they could probably afford to give up those assets more than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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