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[Trade] Canucks trade Jared McCann, 2nd-round pick, 4th-round pick to Panthers for Erik Gudbranson, 5th-round pick


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1 minute ago, Fanuck said:

There good possibility that none of the picks pan out.

 

There's also a slight possibility that Canner doesn't really pan out, or at the very least the jury's still out. 

 

There's every reason to believe that an already established young defenceman, who just led his team in minutes played by d in the playoffs just gets better and better as he enters his prime. 

 

How easy is it to acquire younger skilled average sized forwards in this league?

 

How difficult is it to acquire young, established, hulking right handed defenceman?

 

Who really won this deal?

We did. Top 4 D is just too valuable.

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2 hours ago, Darius71 said:

CBC hockey guys think Florida got hosed "Apparently they think 6'5" D young d men grow on trees".

 

Some people here are assuming that McCann will become a top 6 NHL regular.  There is nothing in his game that showed that, nothing.  He may turn out to be fantastic, but he may also fizzle out a la Cody Hodgson.

 

I'm OK with the trade but McCann is no Hodgson.  McCann is tougher, faster and more mobile than Cody.  McCann could be a first line center, Cody never could.

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Just now, King Heffy said:

I agree with you here.  At least we got a useful player here; the question is whether or not we overpaid.  If Benning drafts a good player with his pick (anyone but Dubust or Nylander) and manages to get another top 60 pick, it's fine.

I am hoping we somehow move out Edler and reinvest that money into a player like Yandle in free agency.

 

Yandle-Tanev

Hutton-Gudbranson

Tryamkin-Sbisa/Biega

 

Tanev gives Yandle a steady defensive presence. I would absolutely love that D core.

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6 minutes ago, Green Building said:

Of the games you watched, which side of the ice did Gudbranson play better on; left or right? I only caught 10-12 games (minus playoffs) and wasn't really paying attention to his position at the time. 

 

I love the fact that he played with Mitchell the last few years, man, if he can develop into another D like him I'd be thrilled. 

 

He played a lot on the right side but defensively was effective every time he was on the ice pretty much. Just a force in front of the net and in the corners. Plus he's MEAN as I've said. 

 

He is exactly what we need out there with Hutton for even strength minutes. 

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6 minutes ago, desiboynux4lifee******* said:

Can you say slow lol freaking slow like turtles, good luck going against shifty skilled players who can care less about the size when they breeze right by you. 

 

Benning is dreaming with his direction. Just go look at the Sharks at how fast they are, this model were developing will be a glorious model that is slow and stale, that will struggle to score goals because we are moving all our skill.

You are forgetting about Tanev who shut down Laine. And Stecher who will play a similar game.

 

We now have pairing potential with speed, skill and size. Im stoked. If Larsen or someone else can develop a shot for the PP we just became a lot more fun to watch.

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1 minute ago, Brad Marchand said:

No? What he said was basically what you said except it was worded differently.

Not exactly he was pointing out previous regimes Gillis/Nonis/Burke trading 2nd round pics resulting in a lack of 22-28 year old prospects.

 

The difference is Gillis/Nonis/Burke traded 2nds for 30+ year old rentals. 

 

Benning has traded 2nd round picks for players under 25 years old.

 

Meaning we keep youth in the lineup but take on NHL ready developed players with less risk than a second round pick. 

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4 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Fair post.

 

But...

 

Virtanen, Boeser, Horvat, Baertschi, Etem, Shinkaruk (Granlund), Gaunce were all guys who were first round picks. We're poised to take another forward? Honestly, at some point we were going to have to trade a young forward for a D if we don't have barely any history of drafting them.

 

It was inevitable.

Listening to the TSN Benning interview, it realy dows seem as if Benning well be drafting a defenseman. When asked about the draft, all he talked about was that there was indeed a defenseman in the draft. 

 

I think they're going for Chychrun. Just the way he was talking...

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4 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

There good possibility that none of the picks pan out.

 

There's also a slight possibility that Canner doesn't really pan out, or at the very least the jury's still out. 

 

There's every reason to believe that an already established young defenceman, who just led his team in minutes played by d in the playoffs just gets better and better as he enters his prime. 

 

How easy is it to acquire younger skilled average sized forwards in this league?

 

How difficult is it to acquire young, established, hulking right handed defenceman?

 

Who really won this deal?

This.  Skilled forwards are the easiest assets to acquire while young,  hard minute workhorse defense are arguably the most difficult to acquire.

 

Will miss watching JMs development,  but we just got better as an overall team and it most definitely will show on the ice next season....not saying playoffs just yet,  but we are a better team because of this move. 

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Just now, canuck73_3 said:

Not exactly he was pointing out previous regimes Gillis/Nonis/Burke trading 2nd round pics resulting in a lack of 22-28 year old prospects.

 

The difference is Gillis/Nonis/Burke traded 2nds for 30+ year old rentals. 

 

Benning has traded 2nd round picks for players under 25 years old.

 

Meaning we keep youth in the lineup but take on NHL ready developed players with less risk than a second round pick. 

I wrote it terms of games not age.  Nevertheless, we agree...I think :P

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5 minutes ago, Toews said:

I am hoping we somehow move out Edler and reinvest that money into a player like Yandle in free agency.

 

Yandle-Tanev

Hutton-Gudbranson

Tryamkin-Sbisa/Biega

 

Tanev gives Yandle a steady defensive presence. I would absolutely love that D core.

Doubt Edler waives but imagine if somehow we pried Mantha out of Detroit, I think he'd be willing to go there.

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41 minutes ago, SvenBae said:

McCann doesn't pass PLD (if) or Horvat or Sutter, and doesn't serve the bottom 6 as well as Granlund or Sutter if that's the case.

 

This is the same thing as Shink, not good enough to pass Baer or Daniel in the next few years and not serviceable in the bottom 6, and his value would have continued dropping if he wasn't traded.

Granlund is relatively soft for a bottom six forward and not very productive either. It's guys like him that make teams like us suck. And again, McCann is only 19... He could easily develop in the AHL a couple years until the Sedins round out their career. Heck, an injury to Baer and we're all of a sudden weak on wingers. 

 

On an unrelated note to this response, people need to stop mentioning Pedan and Tryamkin as the latest instalments to the big, bad Canucks. They may not even pan out. 

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10 minutes ago, Toews said:

Clendening, Granlund and Vey were all AHLers. Guds is a proven top 4 defenseman on a playoff team that was traded because the Panthers have D depth and have to consider cap management with a number of their young players up for contracts soon. I consider this situation a lot different than those other trades.

My point was that they were more proven at a higher level than the players we traded.

 

Basically leveraging lesser known assets with higher ceilings for more known assets.

 

We'll see how each of those trades pans out in the long run.

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2 hours ago, oldnews said:

The boards are so fun.

 

Everyone hates watching our small forwards getting pushed around.

 

I like Jared McCann, but Benning deals him - a 179lb 24th, and a 33rd overall, for a 3rd overall,  6'5",  top 4, right handed 24 year old beast who is still improving and a years away from his prime - and these boards have their typical hissy fit.

 

Gudbranson is one hell of a hard minutes, hard hitting, outstanding defensive blueliner.

 

This is what it costs to move up to this kind of asset.

Well said.

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15 minutes ago, Me_ said:

Pedan (6-4), Tryamkin (6-7), Gudbranson (6-5), Markstrom (6-6), Sutter (6-3), Virtanen (stocky 6-1)...Lucic (6-3)?

Not to mention Horvat, Hutton, Sbisa, Edler providing size and strength mixing with skill. Damn.  

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I was excited to see McCann develop over the next few years here, but man, if Gudbranson reaches his potential of a mean shutdown top 4 (top 2 if lucky) defenseman then moving McCann and 2 picks for him is really no big deal.

 

In a few years this could look like a very fair trade for each side. In the meantime:

 

Our defense is small, we're getting crushed!

JB acquires 6'3" and 220 lb Gudbranson

What the hell man? Our winger!

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