[Discussion] Defensive Scoring, or Where Will our Blue Line Production Come From?

[Warhippy]

Really simple discussion

 

It took us the last game or two of the season to equal the Oilers' woeful blue line production, or else we'd have had about the most dismal defensive scoring group in the league.

 

With the addition of defensive stalwart 24 year old Gudbranson with 43 points in 309 games and who if my math is right is good for a point every 7.1 or 7.2 games, where will our blue line contributions come from?

 

Let this be the official off season blue line offense thread.

 

Keeping in mind, there are already rumblings that with the addition of Gudbranson, Benning can possibly trade Edler for that extra 1st he spoke of in this years 1st round.

 

So.  

 

Will it be Hutton, Tanev, Stecher?  Who steps up on the blue line?

 

Discuss

[LaBamba]

I don't understand how everyone can cry about how full of potential a guy like Kassian is yet a former 3rd overall monster Dman has peaked out at 24 years old. 

 

On average it takes 8 years from draft day for a Dman to reach his full potential. By my count there is still lots of room for improvement. 

 

So settle the f$&$ down y'all. 

[Warhippy]

Just now, LaBamba said:

I don't understand how everyone can cry about how full of potential a guy like Kassian is yet a former 3rd overall monster Dman has peaked out at 24 years old. 

 

On average it takes 8 years from draft day for a Dman to reach his full potential. By my count there is still lots of room for improvement. 

 

So settle the f$&$ down y'all. 

Who's crying here?

 

This is a genuine discussion.  We had one of the most woeful blue lines in the league.  Where will our production come from it next season?

 

Anyone with half a brain can see what Benning is trying to do here, the price with McCaan (24th overall) and the 33rd is comparable to other young D men traded recently (Hamilton/Reinhardt)

 

But he is not a point getter, so where will the points come from?  especially if there is in fact a potential trade that sees Edler leaving the club

[Junkyard Dog]

4 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

I don't understand how everyone can cry about how full of potential a guy like Kassian is yet a former 3rd overall monster Dman has peaked out at 24 years old. 

 

On average it takes 8 years from draft day for a Dman to reach his full potential. By my count there is still lots of room for improvement. 

 

So settle the f$&$ down y'all. 

You love this trade.

 

As soon as you saw 6'5'' 215lbs this happened.

[SaintPatrick33]

Kypreos believes Florida got hosed in the deal

 

We now have a 6 5 and 6 8 defenceman, which should help offensively since we should not have to spend as much time in our own end.

 

Hutton is going to put up at least 30-40 points next year

 

Scoring defence takes time, who knows maybe Subban could be a guy, or another late round steal by benning. 

 

Or we could go into FA and snag Yandle or Goligoski, heck even shattenkirk. We got cap space leverage now to go out and get one from a cap strapped team. 

[LaBamba]

Just now, Warhippy said:

Who's crying here?

 

This is a genuine discussion.  We had one of the most woeful blue lines in the league.  Where will our production come from it next season?

 

Anyone with half a brain can see what Benning is trying to do here, the price with McCaan (24th overall) and the 33rd is comparable to other young D men traded recently (Hamilton/Reinhardt)

 

But he is not a point getter, so where will the points come from?  especially if there is in fact a potential trade that sees Edler leaving the club

I'm generalizing here. Gud still has a lot of room to grow. I love big hard hitting Dmen. This trade is frankly a dream come true for me. We are building a brand. Big, fast and hard hitting. You are also underestimating Hutton's potential. 

[shazzam]

You can't fix everything with one trade. Or D sucked offensively and defensively

[flickyoursedin]

Philip Larsen for the Norris! Joking aside our d scoring probably won't be all that good but we should be better at keeping the pucks out of our net.

[Warhippy]

5 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

I'm generalizing here. Gud still has a lot of room to grow. I love big hard hitting Dmen. This trade is frankly a dream come true for me. We are building a brand. Big, fast and hard hitting. You are also underestimating Hutton's potential. 

There's that word again

 

Maybe Benning underestimated McCaan's potential?

 

Potential and horseshoe still leaves you with nothing.

 

We've a lot of ???'s on the blue line.

 

Banking on huge question marks like Larsen, Stecher, Hutton to come through and start producing is like all of those times we were sure Neidermeyer and Sakic were signing because they are from BC

 

Yandle is the largest point getting blue liner available this UFA season and there's a lot of talk Boston is going to throw some serious cash at him, being a local boy he might even jump at it or take a discount, leaving Demers and Goligoski as the consolation prizes, neither game breaking offensive blue line players in their own rights.

 

I am thinking the growing pains the next few season are going to be painful for our D core

[baumerman77]

7 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

I'm generalizing here. Gud still has a lot of room to grow. I love big hard hitting Dmen. This trade is frankly a dream come true for me. We are building a brand. Big, fast and hard hitting. You are also underestimating Hutton's potential. 

You're about 20 years too late. The best Dmen aren't the big hard hitting ones anymore. They are the skilled and fast ones. I have a feeling this defensive core is going to get lit up next season. They are too big, too slow, only Edler and Tanev have good first outlet passes (Hutton is OK, but too young to tell), there is very little offense - Edler is getting older. Larsen is a bit of a wildcard but I'm not holding my breath.  I genuinely feel bad for Markstrom and Miller. 

 

We won't be getting much offensive help from the defense. And our forwards don't look like they will be producing at a greater rate either (as the Sedin's and old guard decline the young guys will improve so I am guessing not much change overall). 

[Dixon Ward]

Edler, if healthy, can produce points.  This will loosen him up.  Tanev, Gudbrandson, Sbisa, and hopefully Tryamkin and Pedan will be the rocks and Edler, Hutton, Larsen will move the puck.  Maybe even Subban might get a shot with all the giants to look after him. This is a great trade for the team now and in the future.  Everybody wants Sergachev, Juolevi, or Chychrun, but we have 4 nhl-ready d under 25 plus 3 others with great potential. 

[Warhippy]

2 minutes ago, baumerman77 said:

You're about 20 years too late. The best Dmen aren't the big hard hitting ones anymore. They are the skilled and fast ones. I have a feeling this defensive core is going to get lit up next season. They are too big, too slow, only Edler and Tanev have good first outlet passes (Hutton is OK, but too young to tell), there is very little offense - Edler is getting older. Larsen is a bit of a wildcard but I'm not holding my breath.  I genuinely feel bad for Markstrom and Miller. 

 

We won't be getting much offensive help from the defense. And our forwards don't look like they will be producing at a greater rate either (as the Sedin's and old guard decline the young guys will improve so I am guessing not much change overall). 

Sadly this si where I am leaning, even IF we allow Hamhuis to walk and trade edler we've enough supposed depth to fumble through the season and aside from Yandle the UFA market and the overpayments associated with the usual UFA contracts leave me feeling we're doing it all in house.

[LaBamba]

9 minutes ago, baumerman77 said:

You're about 20 years too late. The best Dmen aren't the big hard hitting ones anymore. They are the skilled and fast ones. I have a feeling this defensive core is going to get lit up next season. They are too big, too slow, only Edler and Tanev have good first outlet passes (Hutton is OK, but too young to tell), there is very little offense - Edler is getting older. Larsen is a bit of a wildcard but I'm not holding my breath.  I genuinely feel bad for Markstrom and Miller. 

 

We won't be getting much offensive help from the defense. And our forwards don't look like they will be producing at a greater rate either (as the Sedin's and old guard decline the young guys will improve so I am guessing not much change overall). 

So let's say Benning was to Acquire the coveted Dman you speak of, how much would that cost!!!!

 

You gotta draft those guys. 

 

I'm also totally ok with sucking for a few years. Right about when Gudbranson and Trymakin hit their peak we will be full of high picks bursting with offensive talent.

[LaBamba]

20 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

 

I am thinking the growing pains the next few season are going to be painful for our D core

I don't think we will have any trouble defending. 

 

The PP however, will be ghetto. That's ok though, we are a team in build mode. We can't go from 3rd last to 3rd best over the summer. 

[GreyHatnDart]

32 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

There's that word again

 

Maybe Benning underestimated McCaan's potential?

 

Potential and horseshoe still leaves you with nothing.

 

We've a lot of ???'s on the blue line.

 

Banking on huge question marks like Larsen, Stecher, Hutton to come through and start producing is like all of those times we were sure Neidermeyer and Sakic were signing because they are from BC

 

Yandle is the largest point getting blue liner available this UFA season and there's a lot of talk Boston is going to throw some serious cash at him, being a local boy he might even jump at it or take a discount, leaving Demers and Goligoski as the consolation prizes, neither game breaking offensive blue line players in their own rights.

 

I am thinking the growing pains the next few season are going to be painful for our D core

Granted about McCann's potential. I think he has the talent to be a pretty damn good player. That aside. We're reasonably deep down the middle with Sedin, Horvat and Sutter for the next 2 years. Assuming we take PLD we're even better. 

 

Anybody that's surprised McCann got dealt had their head in the sand. 

[Warhippy]

13 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

I don't think we will have any trouble defending. 

 

The PP however, will be ghetto. That's ok though, we are a team in build mode. We can't go from 3rd last to 3rd best over the summer. 

I can see (should they get regular time) Stecher and Larsen for about 15-22 points, Tanev for 20-25, Edler (if he's here) 30-40 points, Hutton 30-40 as well with Tryamkin 10-17 Biega in the 10-16 point range

 

Thats not very inspiring if Gudbranson can only bring 20 points as well

[davydgoliath]

37 minutes ago, Dixon Ward said:

Edler, if healthy, can produce points.  This will loosen him up.  Tanev, Gudbrandson, Sbisa, and hopefully Tryamkin and Pedan will be the rocks and Edler, Hutton, Larsen will move the puck.  Maybe even Subban might get a shot with all the giants to look after him. This is a great trade for the team now and in the future.  Everybody wants Sergachev, Juolevi, or Chychrun, but we have 4 nhl-ready d under 25 plus 3 others with great potential. 

 I like your take on this. To imply our defense is somehow worse with the addition of Gudbrandson I find perplexing. With a healthy Edler and an improved Hutton I think our defense will be better offensively and if Larsen pans out so much the better. 
 

Yes, losing Mccan is a tough pill to swallow but we were a little crowded at center assuming Sutter is healthier next year and its likely we draft Dubois. Something had to give.  
 

Gotta think our two goalies are pumped with the addition of this guy and the subtraction of Bartkowski and Weber. Makes their lives a lot easier in my opinion.

[Dixon Ward]

9 minutes ago, davydgoliath said:

 I like your take on this. To imply our defense is somehow worse with the addition of Gudbrandson I find perplexing. With a healthy Edler and an improved Hutton I think our defense will be better offensively and if Larsen pans out so much the better. 
 

Yes, losing Mccan is a tough pill to swallow but we were a little crowded at center assuming Sutter is healthier next year and its likely we draft Dubois. Something had to give.  
 

Gotta think our two goalies are pumped with the addition of this guy and the subtraction of Bartkowski and Weber. Makes their lives a lot easier in my opinion.

Agreed, add Gudbranson, Tryamkin, and some potential from Larsen and Stecher (who I forgot to mention) and remove the turnover machines, Bartkowski and Weber and things actually look really good on the back end. Edmonton and Calgary would kill for our young, but experienced and big defence and our solid goaltending now and in the future.

 

Edler (30) Tanev (26)

Gudbranson (24) Hutton (23)

Sbisa (26) Larsen (26)

Tryamkin (21)

 

Looks pretty good to me, for years to come. 

[Hortankin]

Tryamkin Subban

Hutton Gudbranson

Sbisa Stetcher/Tanev

Pedan Larsson

 

 

Good mix of size and offense.

[Pickly]

Where? Well there hasn't been any scoring from the backend for a few years now and quite frankly I don't see much this year either barring some sort of miracle trade Benning can pull off this summer to acquire someone who can.