*Buzzsaw* Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 The San Jose Sharks have built a competitive team with smart trades, great free agent signings, and good lower position drafts. Yes, Patrick Marleau was drafted 2nd overall, but he is 36, and not the main reason the Sharks are in the position they are in. Look at the origins of the San Jose players who are dominating: Joe Pavelski: 205th overall Draft pick Joe Thornton: Trade Joel Ward: Free Agent Brent Burns: Trade Logan Couture: 9th overall Draft pick Martin Jones: Undrafted signing... (How could the Canuck's miss this guy? His father is manager of Arena operations for the Canucks!!!) Marc Edouard Vlasic: 35th overall Draft pick Tomas Hertl: 17th overall Draft pick The Sharks are proof positive a good team can be put together without the necessity to tank multiple years on a row. The good news for Canucks fans is also the Sharks show an older team with good chemistry and some younger blood can compete... the Sedins could still have a chance at the big dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC20.0 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Jones was a trade, the Sharks acquired him from Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 minute ago, HC20.0 said: Jones was a trade, the Sharks acquired him from Boston. I stand corrected sir. Still doesn't change the accuracy of my post... he's not a high position draft. Jones in my opinion, although he is not getting the media that Pavelski and Thornton are, is the real key to the Sharks success. His steadiness and composure has given the confidence they need to play their creative offensive game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I commend you for trying Buzzsaw, but you can't argue against tanknation. All those San Jose moves are anomalies because... um... Chicago and Pittsburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fateless Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I don't think anyone would deny that a team can win a cup with the things you listed. The problem is that you have two have a few things to make it work: 1) a core to put those pieces into place around, 2) the assets to attract those players/trades, and 3) some luck that they turn out. Lets be honest. The Canucks have had really bad drafting and very little luck over the past decade. Benning has shown us the light when it comes to drafting (although his trades leave something to be desired), but the Canucks really failed to draft well in the Gillis era. Yes we had a few solid picks and signings, but overall it was poor. Vancouver isn't a destination for free agents at the moment. We're not in a place to compete and I'll be surprised if we land any big name players this summer. Benning has shown he isn't the best at trades. I'm not gonna knock on all his trades, some have worked out - but a lot of them have been big overpayments. So while I agree with your post that teams can win without tanking - it depends on the tools you have within the organization if that's a possibility. In our situation, I don't have the faith in our management or assets to pick up those pieces within the next couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 In the deep draft of 2003, the Sharks had 2 first round picks. #6 and #16, they choose Milan Michalek and Steve Bernier. Both are no longer with the team. In the later rounds they got Matt Carle and their current captain, Joe Pavelski. They also acquired another player that was drafted in the first round of 2003. Brent Burns. Acquired or stole? What a trade that was. Burns, Pavelski and Couture are the next wave of core players after Thornton and Marleau that the Canucks simply didn't have. We have the Sedins, Luongo, Kesler. Where is the next wave? Well the drafting and development failed I guess. There were high hopes for Hodgson. Schroeder, I personally wasn't liking the pick. A tragic accident with Bourdon. Patrick freaking white, but at least he netted Ehrhoff in a salary dump from the Sharks. Yes we failed through the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 You forgot guys like donstoi, tierny, vlasic, nieto, Could be the coaching change as well, the sharks just backchecked the heck out of teams on their way to the final. Everyone was in on it, all four lines. They dominated the Kings, Predators and now the Blues and hopefully a great guy like Thornton can win a cup, class act all the way and does not deserve the hate he gets. Also the emergence of Burns (age 30) into the most dominant defenceman this year helps, what a stud that guy turned out to be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 7 minutes ago, SaintPatrick33 said: You forgot guys like donstoi, tierny, vlasic, nieto, Could be the coaching change as well, the sharks just backchecked the heck out of teams on their way to the final. Everyone was in on it, all four lines. They dominated the Kings, Predators and now the Blues and hopefully a great guy like Thornton can win a cup, class act all the way and does not deserve the hate he gets. Also the emergence of Burns (age 30) into the most dominant defenceman this year helps, what a stud that guy turned out to be! Yes, the coach has been a key... but where you finish doesn't stop you from signing a good coach. I did mention Vlasic.... the other guys are not core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I just knew it someone is going to make this thread, and since Benning thinks like a homer fan, you just know he will trade away the future for a shot for the Sedins. I gave my views on the Sedins many times, they are good regular season players but they are not made for the playoffs. Whereas, Thoronton is good dont forget Joe Pavelski and Brent Burns- something the Canucks continue to lack is a decent d-man who can put the puck in the net. So no we cannot recreate what the Sharks have done, but if fans believe then Benning and Linden do too, so behold the high free agent signings and bad trades for a quick retool is in the future of this team. looks like Jordan Subban is next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Just now, *Buzzsaw* said: Yes, the coach has been a key... but where you finish doesn't stop you from signing a good coach. I did mention Vlasic.... the other guys are not core. Well if you look at it, the bottom 6 upgrades for the sharks have been the biggest difference makers. Thornton, marleau have always been able to put up numbers, but the way the bottom 6 (donstoi, ward in particular) have stepped up makes the difference between a round 1 exit and stanley cup final appearance. Just ask chicago how that shaw, desjardin line made a difference for them, thats what its all about in the playoffs, unsung heroes rising to the challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 minute ago, SaintPatrick33 said: Well if you look at it, the bottom 6 upgrades for the sharks have been the biggest difference makers. Thornton, marleau have always been able to put up numbers, but the way the bottom 6 (donstoi, ward in particular) have stepped up makes the difference between a round 1 exit and stanley cup final appearance. Just ask chicago how that shaw, desjardin line made a difference for them, thats what its all about in the playoffs, unsung heroes rising to the challenge. The real keys have been Pavelski, Couture, Vlasic, Ward and Burns... and they are either top 6 forwards or Top 4 D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justdean10 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 This is the first time the Sharks are going to the Finals ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireGillis Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Sharks are an anomaly, just like the oilers are an anomaly for tanking! Man, I hope the sharks don't win the cup because then benning will just constantly point to the sharks as justification for his retool on the fly model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobble Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Signing good players, drafting well, and making good trades makes a successful team? Shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam126 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 On 2016-05-26 at 9:52 AM, FireGillis said: Sharks are an anomaly, just like the oilers are an anomaly for tanking! Man, I hope the sharks don't win the cup because then benning will just constantly point to the sharks as justification for his retool on the fly model. Are you scared that tanking isn't the only option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 On May 25, 2016 at 10:42 PM, *Buzzsaw* said: The San Jose Sharks have built a competitive team with smart trades, great free agent signings, and good lower position drafts. Yes, Patrick Marleau was drafted 2nd overall, but he is 36, and not the main reason the Sharks are in the position they are in. Look at the origins of the San Jose players who are dominating: Joe Pavelski: 205th overall Draft pick Joe Thornton: Trade Joel Ward: Free Agent Brent Burns: Trade Logan Couture: 9th overall Draft pick Martin Jones: Undrafted signing... (How could the Canuck's miss this guy? His father is manager of Arena operations for the Canucks!!!) Marc Edouard Vlasic: 35th overall Draft pick Tomas Hertl: 17th overall Draft pick The Sharks are proof positive a good team can be put together without the necessity to tank multiple years on a row. The good news for Canucks fans is also the Sharks show an older team with good chemistry and some younger blood can compete... the Sedins could still have a chance at the big dance. Marleau was drafted #2 overall back in the 1970's so he will be the token player tank nation uses to prove you can't win a Cup without a top 3 pick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Harvey Spector said: Marleau was drafted #2 overall back in the 1970's so he will be the token player tank nation uses to prove you can't win a Cup without a top 3 pick... Dude looks good for his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 On May 26, 2016 at 0:26 PM, Hobble said: Signing good players, drafting well, and making good trades makes a successful team? Shocking. That's so not true. You need to suck for at least 10 years to be able to build a Stanley Cup contender... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Shift-4 said: Dude looks good for his age. Marleau is the ageless wonder. Like the male version of Christie Brinkley... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Yea MG got it done just as far as the Sharks made it so far. This is a nothing post, a team that struggles to go anywhere in the playoffs admit top of the league standings finally makes it. Post this after they win the cup, whatever year that will be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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